His basic argument is in the paragraph below, for anyone without a subscription:
>We are right to be concerned about the Amazon, but the truth is the biggest threat to that forest and to every living system is now from climate change – and the biggest risk to our response to that challenge, comes from US attempts to dismantle the international order. Because the trade deal between Europe and Latin America runs counter to that US ‘divide and conquer’ strategy, we should give it our support.
Ok_Engine_9822 on
The cyclist claiming fuel allowance, yes I will take your opinion dickhead
Sneakywulf1984 on
What a idiot
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pippers87 on
It’s a trade deal that does not benefit Ireland in any meaningful way though. Like the beef argument is a whole lot of nothing considering it’s less than 2% of beef, I would argue that cheaper lower quality beef isn’t the end of the world as we still will have the choice to buy local.
For all the good the EU has brought this country we are still a tiny cog in the grand scheme of things, this deal is mainly for the German Car Industry and nothing else.
jhanley on
Explain to me how transporting beef half way across the world is more carbon neutral than growing it here?
micosoft on
I’m convinced that the social isolation of farmers makes them much more susceptible to social media bubbles and manipulation. My cousins in farming all still live in social media, especially Facebook, and appear to lack critical thinking or analysis on whatever pops into their feed. We have a real problem with the ease of manipulation here along with the IFA having increasingly unsavoury MAGA style views and deliberately spreading misinformation. We really need strong leadership within the farming community to challenge this behaviour & absurd narrative before we end up like the US.
thetearinreality on
I’m truly convinced that anyone who is against Mercosur is just wrong tbh
NocturneFogg on
Well, he has a point. It’s not the whole story but the biggest current threat to the ecosystem at present is the breakdown of rules based trade that can have any kind of a conscience about its impact. What we are headed for is cowboy capitalism from the US and those in charge of it not only don’t give a flying f##k about the environment, or sustainability, but they are actively and ideologically in favour of doing maximum damage to it with a mixture of greed, short term gain and aggressive anti-science.
The other side of the story however is that the EU and more so Mercosur also are fundamentally trade first, everything else second, including the environment. So while they might be a lot better than MAGAism on these topics, and make the right noises, they’re not exactly entirely blameless either and have been capable of driving plenty of environmental damage in search of maximising profits.
We’re seeing a swing toward ‘needs must’ trade deals aimed at finding alternatives. They’re far from ideal in many ways and it’s going to be down to the EU and national politicians to keep things less destructive, because the path at the moment seems to be it’s very much taking a back seat.
The3rdbaboon on
He’s a dope. This deal doesn’t benefit Ireland at all. The deforestation of the Amazon is directly contributing to climate change and is being largely driven by expansion of the South American beef industry.
Busy-Preference-4377 on
There are huge benefits to our biggest industries/employers and it solidifies a strategic EU relationship. I’m pretty mixed on the deal but some people are arguing like all trade deals are inherently evil.
CiaranC on
I’ve no huge opinion either way – but beef is a tiny part of this deal, you’d think it was a trade deal all about beef. Getting rid of tariffs on pharmaceutical exports would surely benefit us?
Reasonable-Food4834 on
Most of us are in favour of the agreement
mccannopener93 on
Anything Eamon Ryan says I would just do the opposite. Even if it was to my detriment. The man’s an idiot.
throughthehills2 on
IFA suddenly wants to save the rainforest in Brazil after doing everything they can to keep the nitrates derrogation and keep Irish rivers polluted
RobotIcHead on
I am from a farming background and still work in it part time, I am favour of the deal. So is my brother a full time farmer. The political structure of the world is changing so much. The USA under Trump is not the same as it was even during Trump’s first term. That thinking will not go away even when Trump dies/leaves office. We need new allies and ways to reduce our dependence on the USA.
South American countries have strong agricultural sectors, a lot of the other sectors are not as well developed. Food is one of the main things they have to trade.
However the absolute hypocrisy and double standards of the EU AND people like EAMON RYAN is infuriating. A few years ago he was advocating an environment first policy but it is clear that the high standards he had a big hand in setting are meaningless to him. It is really is a case of ‘do as I say not as I do’. He is urging others to look at the big picture and if he were still leader of the Green Party in Ireland he would definitely be saying something completely different.
Being on the same side of the argument as Eamon Ryan is not something I am happy about.
hmmm_ on
Good to see a realistic discussion of the tradeoffs, rather than lazily picking one part of the deal and saying “no” to get votes. I’m impressed. The last thing we want is the world to splinter into little superpower enclaves waving weapons at each other.
eiretaco on
Delighted this is going through.
It was a real eye-opener to see how powerful farmer lobbying actually is in Ireland though.
Seems common sense will prevail regardless thank god.
Glittering_Tree_9335 on
Agriculture accounted for nearly 2/5s of Irish carbon emissions in 2024, mostly from beef. The extra emissions from transporting it to Ireland are minimal in comparison to the inherent emissions from producing beef in the first place.
paddyotool_v3 on
Eamonn Ryan is your typical neo-liberal gob shite.
nicky94 on
Have read the article and it is SUCH a ridiculous take.
Please god let the Greens stay decimated.
Individual-Mud262 on
‘Eamon Ryan says’
Great, I can just think the opposite. That settles that.
TypicallyThomas on
If you can’t compete with 1.5% of the EU consumption coming from South America, it may be time to get into a different line if business
SeriesDowntown5947 on
The mercosur deal is about euope industry like cars. Which are been eliminated by china. Euope needs this deal. Cheap high quality meet is an advantage. Now europes farming beef industry is been eliminated. I have to say paying near 20 euro for 2 steaks is too much.
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His basic argument is in the paragraph below, for anyone without a subscription:
>We are right to be concerned about the Amazon, but the truth is the biggest threat to that forest and to every living system is now from climate change – and the biggest risk to our response to that challenge, comes from US attempts to dismantle the international order. Because the trade deal between Europe and Latin America runs counter to that US ‘divide and conquer’ strategy, we should give it our support.
The cyclist claiming fuel allowance, yes I will take your opinion dickhead
What a idiot
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It’s a trade deal that does not benefit Ireland in any meaningful way though. Like the beef argument is a whole lot of nothing considering it’s less than 2% of beef, I would argue that cheaper lower quality beef isn’t the end of the world as we still will have the choice to buy local.
For all the good the EU has brought this country we are still a tiny cog in the grand scheme of things, this deal is mainly for the German Car Industry and nothing else.
Explain to me how transporting beef half way across the world is more carbon neutral than growing it here?
I’m convinced that the social isolation of farmers makes them much more susceptible to social media bubbles and manipulation. My cousins in farming all still live in social media, especially Facebook, and appear to lack critical thinking or analysis on whatever pops into their feed. We have a real problem with the ease of manipulation here along with the IFA having increasingly unsavoury MAGA style views and deliberately spreading misinformation. We really need strong leadership within the farming community to challenge this behaviour & absurd narrative before we end up like the US.
I’m truly convinced that anyone who is against Mercosur is just wrong tbh
Well, he has a point. It’s not the whole story but the biggest current threat to the ecosystem at present is the breakdown of rules based trade that can have any kind of a conscience about its impact. What we are headed for is cowboy capitalism from the US and those in charge of it not only don’t give a flying f##k about the environment, or sustainability, but they are actively and ideologically in favour of doing maximum damage to it with a mixture of greed, short term gain and aggressive anti-science.
The other side of the story however is that the EU and more so Mercosur also are fundamentally trade first, everything else second, including the environment. So while they might be a lot better than MAGAism on these topics, and make the right noises, they’re not exactly entirely blameless either and have been capable of driving plenty of environmental damage in search of maximising profits.
We’re seeing a swing toward ‘needs must’ trade deals aimed at finding alternatives. They’re far from ideal in many ways and it’s going to be down to the EU and national politicians to keep things less destructive, because the path at the moment seems to be it’s very much taking a back seat.
He’s a dope. This deal doesn’t benefit Ireland at all. The deforestation of the Amazon is directly contributing to climate change and is being largely driven by expansion of the South American beef industry.
There are huge benefits to our biggest industries/employers and it solidifies a strategic EU relationship. I’m pretty mixed on the deal but some people are arguing like all trade deals are inherently evil.
I’ve no huge opinion either way – but beef is a tiny part of this deal, you’d think it was a trade deal all about beef. Getting rid of tariffs on pharmaceutical exports would surely benefit us?
Most of us are in favour of the agreement
Anything Eamon Ryan says I would just do the opposite. Even if it was to my detriment. The man’s an idiot.
IFA suddenly wants to save the rainforest in Brazil after doing everything they can to keep the nitrates derrogation and keep Irish rivers polluted
I am from a farming background and still work in it part time, I am favour of the deal. So is my brother a full time farmer. The political structure of the world is changing so much. The USA under Trump is not the same as it was even during Trump’s first term. That thinking will not go away even when Trump dies/leaves office. We need new allies and ways to reduce our dependence on the USA.
South American countries have strong agricultural sectors, a lot of the other sectors are not as well developed. Food is one of the main things they have to trade.
However the absolute hypocrisy and double standards of the EU AND people like EAMON RYAN is infuriating. A few years ago he was advocating an environment first policy but it is clear that the high standards he had a big hand in setting are meaningless to him. It is really is a case of ‘do as I say not as I do’. He is urging others to look at the big picture and if he were still leader of the Green Party in Ireland he would definitely be saying something completely different.
Being on the same side of the argument as Eamon Ryan is not something I am happy about.
Good to see a realistic discussion of the tradeoffs, rather than lazily picking one part of the deal and saying “no” to get votes. I’m impressed. The last thing we want is the world to splinter into little superpower enclaves waving weapons at each other.
Delighted this is going through.
It was a real eye-opener to see how powerful farmer lobbying actually is in Ireland though.
Seems common sense will prevail regardless thank god.
Agriculture accounted for nearly 2/5s of Irish carbon emissions in 2024, mostly from beef. The extra emissions from transporting it to Ireland are minimal in comparison to the inherent emissions from producing beef in the first place.
Eamonn Ryan is your typical neo-liberal gob shite.
Have read the article and it is SUCH a ridiculous take.
Please god let the Greens stay decimated.
‘Eamon Ryan says’
Great, I can just think the opposite. That settles that.
If you can’t compete with 1.5% of the EU consumption coming from South America, it may be time to get into a different line if business
The mercosur deal is about euope industry like cars. Which are been eliminated by china. Euope needs this deal. Cheap high quality meet is an advantage. Now europes farming beef industry is been eliminated. I have to say paying near 20 euro for 2 steaks is too much.