Tragedy happens, then the owners lawyer up and point fingers downward. That part is depressingly predictable.
elderrion on
You mean the owners mired in criminality that grabbed the till and ran during the fire? Those owners?
The Italians were right to protest and summon the Swiss ambassador
crxsso_dssreer on
Yeah, and the inflammable foam in the ceiling? the lack of emergency exit? just a minor detail hey… them damn wait staff, deciding to light candles on by their own volition… not at the demand of their manager at all…
IndigoButterfl6 on
Absolutely disgusting behaviour.
boolee2112 on
They are the owners, they should have made sure that adequate staff training was in place along with the correct fire regulatory procedures.
ronnidogxxx on
Despicable people. Truly vile human beings.
0ttoChriek on
Okay, let them blame their employees. Then tell them they will never get a licence to operate another hospitality venue.
lordnacho666 on
Not a good look trying to blame a dead person.
End of the day, there are rules, and they weren’t followed, and the rules also say who is responsible if rules aren’t followed.
I don’t think they had any malicious intent, but they didn’t follow the rules and now there are consequences.
Blubbolo on
– He renovated without permits.
– He placed flammable stuffs in the ceiling.
– Someone stopped every department, especially the fire department, from doing any kind of control for 5 years
– He made the exit smaller, to get more tables in.
– He (or told someone to do it) closed the emergency exit to stop people from going in and out on a 300 euros to enter night (witnesses said it was blocked).
– His GF told the waitress to put on an helmet and do that shit (other waitresses said it).
– He allowed 3** people to enter a place with a max limit of 1**.
– His GF bailed with the register instead of coordinating the team.
He got bailed by an “anonymous friend” (200k x 2) and now talks shit.
azhder on
Will this be a regular thing now? It was a year ago this thing happened in MK, almost the same details: corruption, no safety, crowded…
m71nu on
Who hired those people? Who was responsible for their training?
Mondai_May on
Oh she died 🙁 since I read the news about this I was wondering what happened to her
LuLMaster420 on
Of course. When 40 people die, the best thing to do is blame the youngest staff member.
Not fire safety violations, blocked exits, overcrowding, poor management, or corporate greed nope, it was the “waitress in the helmet.”
What an absolutely pathetic deflection of responsibility.
If you’re going to profit while letting people burn, at least have the guts to own up to it.
morbihann on
You hired them, you are responsible for their actions barring mal intent, which I doubt there was.
If they lack training, its on you. If the bar layout didn’t correspond to safety standards, that is on you. You don’t get to own the place, make the shots and collect the benefits, while the workers bear the responsibilities.
Elektron_Anbar on
Putting aside of how morally despicable is pinning the blame on a dead waitress, it doesn’t even sound like a good tactic legally.
In Italy at least, you as the owner/manager are legally responsible for any safety violation that your staff commits on the job.
greenpowerman99 on
I heard that the champagne fireworks were going on for years before the fire.
If that’s true then someone told her to do it.
Trumpswells on
“Swiss law recognizes the principle of respondeat superior (vicarious liability). Employers are liable for damages caused by their employees in the performance of their work, unless the employer can prove they took reasonable care to prevent the damage.”
Shirolicious on
Classic case of blaming others and not take any responsibility for what happened.
Regardless if employee A B or C did something. The point of having managers and owners is ultimately also their task and responsibility to manage things properly.
So, owners are responsible for having the proper papers and documentation and stadc training and equipment etc. Providing a safe area.
Manager responsible for the day to day operations and that things go according to plan and follow right procedures and protocols.
And the employees just have to follow, but ultimately also have a responsibility towards all the guests.
So, employees, manager and owners are all accountable to different degrees. But the higher up you go, the more accountable it goes.
Unfortunately when tragedy happens, the fingers always point towards anyone else but themselves.
I know who atleast is not responsible… the guests.
kittykatmila on
So disgusting they are trying to place the blame on the waitress.
LeroyoJenkins on
Yeah, bullshit, get these two fuckers in jail (after a proper process). And let their buddies in the government join them as well!
ForTheGloryOfAmn on
Send both of them to jail for life. They were responsible of the venue, they didn’t follow the safety rules and they corrupted the system to avoid fire inspections. This needs to be an example to show business owners what will happen if they don’t comply with the law.
suprflatulenceman on
So I guess it wasn’t the people who authorized the use of open flames near combustible materials
Webgardener on
Damn, that article just keeps getting worse. His fire training to employees said to “Evacuate the customers, raise the alarm, and call the fire department,” he said. “And of course, if they had time, use the fire extinguishers to put out the fire.”
When told that one employee – referred to as L. – had told the enquiry that he had no idea where the extinguishers were kept, Jacques Moretti replied: “The staff has several shifts, and maybe I forgot to give this information to L., but it was going to be passed on at some point. Maybe I forgot.” So it’s their fault, those darn employees didn’t put the fire out. Those families deserve to see these people face justice.
bigbonerdaddy on
I mean, all the people filming the fire for minutes while doing nothing to escape sure didnt help either. But holy shit what a disgusting POS do you have to be to blame the waitress, who’s serving the stuff thats on his menu!
anarchisto on
They were also blaming the Romanian worker who did the soundproofing of the place.
YouCanShoveYourMagic on
100% the owners fault.
MotanulScotishFold on
Always someone else fault but never themselves for bein unable to prevent it.
Ballistic-Bob on
Looks like they’ve closed the exit to stop people getting in or letting people in for free … one way in and too tight to employ staff to monitor the crowd and fire exit … so fk it lock it ..
FuzzBuzzer on
The entire time I was reading this, I was thinking, “the Morettis sure do have a lot of excuses and deflections, yet seemingly zero remorse or accountability.”
It struck me that they were trying to place the blame on a dead girl half their age while also being the owners of the bar. They should have properly trained their staff. They should have followed proper procedures and protocols. They should have known better.
Then I read “ Jacques Moretti, an ex-pimp who has spent time in prison in France…”
This isn’t a one off in terms of shady dealings with these folks. RIP to the victims.
KSC-Fan1894 on
This is so low and cowardly.
alexdgrate on
Still, responsibility is of the owners who hired the “young staff” and put them into such decisive positions and even more so in failing to oversee the working conditions. No?
Agreeable_Manner2848 on
I got a dollar that the escape door was locked because they lacked security, charged at the door, and knew some people had snuck in through the back before and as owners put so much pressure down on middle management that they expected this to be done with out their explicit say so, that their blaming the staff is beyond awful, entitled, cowardly, and pathetic. Honestly the way to share blame is go upward, how is it swiss regulators missed a venue doing such stupid things for so long, inclusive of not only just barely teenagers soon to be young adults 18+, but actual teenagers 16+, brutal incompetence all round from the swiss liquor, and fire enforcement dept of government
Diacetyl-Morphin on
The owners of the bar are the worst, i can’t understand why they got bail and could leave the prison, just another failure of the state here. It is pathetic how we handle this here.
Now the bar owners blame the girl, but before this, they talked in the swiss media about how much affected they’d be because of her death, they claimed she was “like a daughter for them” with a very great relationship. But this not true: Her family got public and talked about, they could also back up their words with text messages between the lady and owners of the bar.
She never got a written contract, the owners tried to pay her as little money as possible and made her work more hours than allowed. She was about to leave the bar and even sue the owners in court just before the inferno happened.
ino4x4 on
So it had nothing to do with the staff not being trained and prepared for an emergency evacuation?
MomsTortellinis on
This was such a hard and infuriating read, this part:
“Video is said to exist showing Jessica Moretti escaping from the New Year fire with the cash register under her arm, while ignoring victims.”
in particular says a lot about the owners. Blaming these youngsters for everything and not accepting responsibility when it was their building, they are the ones who put the flammable foam in the ceilings, made the door smaller etc. They blame the waitress who died, now that is convenient as she cannot defend herself, but why did they allow fireworks inside in the first place? She did it all the time, they claim, so they allowed fireworks inside and near the ceiling all the time. These owners are terrible and should go to jail for a long time.
Illustrious-Bar-4115 on
Classic: Blaming the people that can’t defend themselves anymore
Haisukarvakorva on
If they’re in fault. I hope the law brings down the hammer hard on these greedy bastards who apparently gave no regards for the safety in order to gain just more money. I have never understood the people who need more and more.
PaiouH on
Do you remember how, two weeks ago, they claimed they wouldn’t back out and highlighted their solidarity with all their staff?
SergeantSmash on
Meanwhile bar owner walking out of jail, thanks to a CHF200K bail out with money coming from Dubai! Absolutely no mafia involvment!
FlammenwerferBBQ on
This title is one of the worst English grammar i have ever witnessed
Are you ok?
Nervous-Ad-3761 on
Bar owner should keep their mouth shut or they’ll get sued for defamation as well as negligence
Alone_Bet_1108 on
Disgustingly amoral. I hope they go to prison for a fucking long time.
ReditMcGogg on
The practice of using sparklers to flaunt your wealth in such a cheesy way was at fault here.
I tend to leave places that do this – I’d rather spend my money elsewhere where.
Jealous_Tutor_5135 on
Bar owner here.
The series of small mistakes that led to this tragedy really hits home.
1. An emergency exit that was able to lock
2. Ceiling foam that wasn’t fire rated
3. Overcrowding in the basement
4. Poor training and careless fire extinguisher placement
5. Of course the sparklers
They were negligent. But it’s not a single, purposeful decision that says “I don’t care about fire risk”. Instead it’s many small decisions, some probably knowingly reckless others less so.
People often think that fire code is unnecessarily strict, but they’re not seeing the bigger picture. Like the approach to putting out fire, the code is a strategic approach to a layered defense. Remove flammable materials, provide methods and training to fight fire, and clear exits in the case that it can’t be contained.
Unserious implementation and bad luck caused all these defenses to fail. But if any one had held, those people would be alive today.
not_today_pls on
Im surprised that the Nazigoldenjoyers are that corrupt!
GreyScot88 on
Straight up Station Nightclub Fire: the sequel almost to the letter
FogTub on
I’m pretty sure fire codes exist in Switzerland. Weigh their lack of remorse into the equation when considering the punishment for their non-compliance.
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Tragedy happens, then the owners lawyer up and point fingers downward. That part is depressingly predictable.
You mean the owners mired in criminality that grabbed the till and ran during the fire? Those owners?
The Italians were right to protest and summon the Swiss ambassador
Yeah, and the inflammable foam in the ceiling? the lack of emergency exit? just a minor detail hey… them damn wait staff, deciding to light candles on by their own volition… not at the demand of their manager at all…
Absolutely disgusting behaviour.
They are the owners, they should have made sure that adequate staff training was in place along with the correct fire regulatory procedures.
Despicable people. Truly vile human beings.
Okay, let them blame their employees. Then tell them they will never get a licence to operate another hospitality venue.
Not a good look trying to blame a dead person.
End of the day, there are rules, and they weren’t followed, and the rules also say who is responsible if rules aren’t followed.
I don’t think they had any malicious intent, but they didn’t follow the rules and now there are consequences.
– He renovated without permits.
– He placed flammable stuffs in the ceiling.
– Someone stopped every department, especially the fire department, from doing any kind of control for 5 years
– He made the exit smaller, to get more tables in.
– He (or told someone to do it) closed the emergency exit to stop people from going in and out on a 300 euros to enter night (witnesses said it was blocked).
– His GF told the waitress to put on an helmet and do that shit (other waitresses said it).
– He allowed 3** people to enter a place with a max limit of 1**.
– His GF bailed with the register instead of coordinating the team.
He got bailed by an “anonymous friend” (200k x 2) and now talks shit.
Will this be a regular thing now? It was a year ago this thing happened in MK, almost the same details: corruption, no safety, crowded…
Who hired those people? Who was responsible for their training?
Oh she died 🙁 since I read the news about this I was wondering what happened to her
Of course. When 40 people die, the best thing to do is blame the youngest staff member.
Not fire safety violations, blocked exits, overcrowding, poor management, or corporate greed nope, it was the “waitress in the helmet.”
What an absolutely pathetic deflection of responsibility.
If you’re going to profit while letting people burn, at least have the guts to own up to it.
You hired them, you are responsible for their actions barring mal intent, which I doubt there was.
If they lack training, its on you. If the bar layout didn’t correspond to safety standards, that is on you. You don’t get to own the place, make the shots and collect the benefits, while the workers bear the responsibilities.
Putting aside of how morally despicable is pinning the blame on a dead waitress, it doesn’t even sound like a good tactic legally.
In Italy at least, you as the owner/manager are legally responsible for any safety violation that your staff commits on the job.
I heard that the champagne fireworks were going on for years before the fire.
If that’s true then someone told her to do it.
“Swiss law recognizes the principle of respondeat superior (vicarious liability). Employers are liable for damages caused by their employees in the performance of their work, unless the employer can prove they took reasonable care to prevent the damage.”
Classic case of blaming others and not take any responsibility for what happened.
Regardless if employee A B or C did something. The point of having managers and owners is ultimately also their task and responsibility to manage things properly.
So, owners are responsible for having the proper papers and documentation and stadc training and equipment etc. Providing a safe area.
Manager responsible for the day to day operations and that things go according to plan and follow right procedures and protocols.
And the employees just have to follow, but ultimately also have a responsibility towards all the guests.
So, employees, manager and owners are all accountable to different degrees. But the higher up you go, the more accountable it goes.
Unfortunately when tragedy happens, the fingers always point towards anyone else but themselves.
I know who atleast is not responsible… the guests.
So disgusting they are trying to place the blame on the waitress.
Yeah, bullshit, get these two fuckers in jail (after a proper process). And let their buddies in the government join them as well!
Send both of them to jail for life. They were responsible of the venue, they didn’t follow the safety rules and they corrupted the system to avoid fire inspections. This needs to be an example to show business owners what will happen if they don’t comply with the law.
So I guess it wasn’t the people who authorized the use of open flames near combustible materials
Damn, that article just keeps getting worse. His fire training to employees said to “Evacuate the customers, raise the alarm, and call the fire department,” he said. “And of course, if they had time, use the fire extinguishers to put out the fire.”
When told that one employee – referred to as L. – had told the enquiry that he had no idea where the extinguishers were kept, Jacques Moretti replied: “The staff has several shifts, and maybe I forgot to give this information to L., but it was going to be passed on at some point. Maybe I forgot.” So it’s their fault, those darn employees didn’t put the fire out. Those families deserve to see these people face justice.
I mean, all the people filming the fire for minutes while doing nothing to escape sure didnt help either. But holy shit what a disgusting POS do you have to be to blame the waitress, who’s serving the stuff thats on his menu!
They were also blaming the Romanian worker who did the soundproofing of the place.
100% the owners fault.
Always someone else fault but never themselves for bein unable to prevent it.
Looks like they’ve closed the exit to stop people getting in or letting people in for free … one way in and too tight to employ staff to monitor the crowd and fire exit … so fk it lock it ..
The entire time I was reading this, I was thinking, “the Morettis sure do have a lot of excuses and deflections, yet seemingly zero remorse or accountability.”
It struck me that they were trying to place the blame on a dead girl half their age while also being the owners of the bar. They should have properly trained their staff. They should have followed proper procedures and protocols. They should have known better.
Then I read “ Jacques Moretti, an ex-pimp who has spent time in prison in France…”
This isn’t a one off in terms of shady dealings with these folks. RIP to the victims.
This is so low and cowardly.
Still, responsibility is of the owners who hired the “young staff” and put them into such decisive positions and even more so in failing to oversee the working conditions. No?
I got a dollar that the escape door was locked because they lacked security, charged at the door, and knew some people had snuck in through the back before and as owners put so much pressure down on middle management that they expected this to be done with out their explicit say so, that their blaming the staff is beyond awful, entitled, cowardly, and pathetic. Honestly the way to share blame is go upward, how is it swiss regulators missed a venue doing such stupid things for so long, inclusive of not only just barely teenagers soon to be young adults 18+, but actual teenagers 16+, brutal incompetence all round from the swiss liquor, and fire enforcement dept of government
The owners of the bar are the worst, i can’t understand why they got bail and could leave the prison, just another failure of the state here. It is pathetic how we handle this here.
Now the bar owners blame the girl, but before this, they talked in the swiss media about how much affected they’d be because of her death, they claimed she was “like a daughter for them” with a very great relationship. But this not true: Her family got public and talked about, they could also back up their words with text messages between the lady and owners of the bar.
She never got a written contract, the owners tried to pay her as little money as possible and made her work more hours than allowed. She was about to leave the bar and even sue the owners in court just before the inferno happened.
So it had nothing to do with the staff not being trained and prepared for an emergency evacuation?
This was such a hard and infuriating read, this part:
“Video is said to exist showing Jessica Moretti escaping from the New Year fire with the cash register under her arm, while ignoring victims.”
in particular says a lot about the owners. Blaming these youngsters for everything and not accepting responsibility when it was their building, they are the ones who put the flammable foam in the ceilings, made the door smaller etc. They blame the waitress who died, now that is convenient as she cannot defend herself, but why did they allow fireworks inside in the first place? She did it all the time, they claim, so they allowed fireworks inside and near the ceiling all the time. These owners are terrible and should go to jail for a long time.
Classic: Blaming the people that can’t defend themselves anymore
If they’re in fault. I hope the law brings down the hammer hard on these greedy bastards who apparently gave no regards for the safety in order to gain just more money. I have never understood the people who need more and more.
Do you remember how, two weeks ago, they claimed they wouldn’t back out and highlighted their solidarity with all their staff?
Meanwhile bar owner walking out of jail, thanks to a CHF200K bail out with money coming from Dubai! Absolutely no mafia involvment!
This title is one of the worst English grammar i have ever witnessed
Are you ok?
Bar owner should keep their mouth shut or they’ll get sued for defamation as well as negligence
Disgustingly amoral. I hope they go to prison for a fucking long time.
The practice of using sparklers to flaunt your wealth in such a cheesy way was at fault here.
I tend to leave places that do this – I’d rather spend my money elsewhere where.
Bar owner here.
The series of small mistakes that led to this tragedy really hits home.
1. An emergency exit that was able to lock
2. Ceiling foam that wasn’t fire rated
3. Overcrowding in the basement
4. Poor training and careless fire extinguisher placement
5. Of course the sparklers
They were negligent. But it’s not a single, purposeful decision that says “I don’t care about fire risk”. Instead it’s many small decisions, some probably knowingly reckless others less so.
People often think that fire code is unnecessarily strict, but they’re not seeing the bigger picture. Like the approach to putting out fire, the code is a strategic approach to a layered defense. Remove flammable materials, provide methods and training to fight fire, and clear exits in the case that it can’t be contained.
Unserious implementation and bad luck caused all these defenses to fail. But if any one had held, those people would be alive today.
Im surprised that the Nazigoldenjoyers are that corrupt!
Straight up Station Nightclub Fire: the sequel almost to the letter
I’m pretty sure fire codes exist in Switzerland. Weigh their lack of remorse into the equation when considering the punishment for their non-compliance.