Hello OP, could you post a source for approval? thank you
SClausell on
Mind that the official spending is lower than it really is. Sometimes it won’t include for example the military and police protecting them, so it’s actually more.
Nuthetes on
Misleading
The “public money” that the UK spends on the Royal Family is from the Sovereign Grant which is funds generated by the crown estate, of which 15% goes to the crown (upped to 25% percent to cover refurbishment of Buckingham Palace) and the rest goes to the government.
Keh_veli on
Would be interesting to compare these on a per capita basis. 44 million for Monaco seems crazy high relative to the population of the country?
markv1182 on
I wonder how much higher the spend on monarchies is compared to other ceremonial heads of state. What do Germany and France spend on their presidents?
richsu on
Imagine spending that amount of money on a PR agency or some consultancy firm with the goal to market your country and get tourists to it. It wouldn’t result in anything and would be a waste. The royal family is doing a great job and I would not like to have their lives, good public servants! I think it adds a nice historic touch and nice to have a part of the establishment that is party neutral and long term.
Sherool on
To compare and contrast France spend approximately 123 million € on it’s presidential office, so heads of state are expensive regardless of type.
Now do a study that looks at how much revenue the Royal families attract to their respective countries. That would be interesting!
Bubblebless on
I can’t talk for the others, but Spain uses more money. That’s just the public spending under label “crown”, it doesn’t mean there isn’t further spending for the crown. Indeed there is. Interesting to check spending for monarchies, but you can’t take just “Crown spending” and compare it, you need first to make comparable.
Or like we say in spanish, no hay que mezclar churras con merinas.
Kakazam on
Now compare to how much money the crown bring into the country via tourism and diplomatic ties.
Pretty sure the UK monarch bring something like £1.5 – £2 *billion* in return.
Unitaig on
It costs little old Ireland, with 7 million people, **€6.2 million** to run our Presidency. We’re at about €1.20 per person, UK is at about €2.10 per person, but probably get a decent economic boost from tourism which buffers some of that.
I’m no royalist, but the cost is largely irrelevant, in my view, to argument for abolition.
No-Ant5172 on
Would also be interesting to know what benefits and opportunities do The Crown bring to a country
whatstefansees on
It all sounds like a lot, but if you break it down per inhabitant, you get A LOT of entertainment for a few bucks per year
Uebeltank on
For most of these countries the amount shown is what goes directly to the royal house. So without more broader expenses like security or travel expenses. On the other hand, the amount of money that is basically equivalent to personal income is lower than it might imply. Most money is paid as salary to employees who assist in the official duties.
piercedmfootonaspike on
The Luxembourg and Denmark gems should swap places, and I’m irrationally irritated they fucked that up.
OneGladTurtle on
Long live the Republic.
DrUnnecessary on
That was the year he was made king in the uk and the queen died also :Z
Appropriate_Clue_877 on
In the UK it’s not really a direct payment. The royal family were extremely privately rich historically (still are but not as), and at some point did a deal with the nation that they would give most of their assets to the country as long as they got paid a dividend from it, which is the crown estate.
Imagine if Zuckerberg gave the country all his assets in return for a much smaller guaranteed annual payment, it’s like the 18th century version of that.
AvengerDr on
Long live Republics everywhere. One day we will celebrate when the last monarchy is dissolved.
Whooptidooh on
***53 MILLION?!?!?*** WTF
Zonesy on
Surprised these figures are so low.
MetalMonkey939 on
And yet, no inheritance tax!
Albert_Algee on
Fuck the monarchy.
SufficientLibrary386 on
What are we doing in the Netherlands? 🤷♀️
WhisperingHammer on
That is almost an american presidential ”ballroom”.
Gullible_fool_99 on
This does not tell the full story, of course.
The money that is actually spent by the Treasury to support the Crown is a percentage of the amount of money that is paid into the Treasury by the Crown.
In 2023/2024 the Crown raised £1.1b and received back a support grant of roughly 12% of that so yes, ‘the public’ paid the Crown £147m but the Crown paid ‘the public’ over £1b.
Rockyshark6 on
I can’t talk about the other monarchies, but Swedens money goes mainly to uphold old castles, nature reserves, and other spending towards the public and not to the monarch himself.
The remnants of the former German monarchies/nobility do get money too, though it’s all very intransparent, because it’s split up into many deals and trusts that were formed in the late 19th/early 20th century in the various German states/duchies/kingdoms etc. One example: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wittelsbacher_Ausgleichsfonds
It’s not directly tax money that’s spent but rather income from buildings and lands, but in my opinion that’s not much better, because save for some residences all of that should be state-owned and all proceeds should go to the state.
conrat4567 on
I would like to see this for head of states, including pensions and other costs. I imagine it would be higher or near the same
Hot_Hat_1225 on
Now let’s add the cost of other heads of State as well
CaspinLange on
But how much does a guillotine cost?
France? How much are those things?
Independent-Clue1422 on
Would make more sense to compare that data with context:
– per capita
– % of gov budget
– % of GDP
– comparison to potential income generated by merch sales or other business activities the royal families pursue.
FredBGC on
The real Swedish number is about half of what is reported here (96 million SEK). The budget for Kungahuset is divided in two parts, one which covers the Royal Court (so the Royal Family and the Kings role as head of state), and one which covers the maintenance of the castles and palaces formally managed by the Court. The latter would still have to be covered even if we were a republic.
ankokudaishogun on
It’s missing the Vatican.
Tapeworm1979 on
147m isn’t much. The UK royal family generates almost a billion in revenue from tourism, merchandise and tax from the petroleum companies providing fuel for flights to Epstein Island.
dessmond on
Beatrix used to be the wealthiest woman after queen Elisabeth. They don’t need our money
missbohica on
Some of those numbers don’t feel realistic.
Portugal’s Civil House – officially – spends 18M a year. Portugal’s President constitutional powers are very similar to the powers of the King of Spain. Portugal’s President is not a King, but he sometimes (a lot of times) acts like a queen. Considering that, Spain’s 9M seems like peanuts.
Lord_Dolkhammer on
Denmark spends most of the funding on upkeep and renovation of cultural buildings and salaries for various personel.
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Hello OP, could you post a source for approval? thank you
Mind that the official spending is lower than it really is. Sometimes it won’t include for example the military and police protecting them, so it’s actually more.
Misleading
The “public money” that the UK spends on the Royal Family is from the Sovereign Grant which is funds generated by the crown estate, of which 15% goes to the crown (upped to 25% percent to cover refurbishment of Buckingham Palace) and the rest goes to the government.
Would be interesting to compare these on a per capita basis. 44 million for Monaco seems crazy high relative to the population of the country?
I wonder how much higher the spend on monarchies is compared to other ceremonial heads of state. What do Germany and France spend on their presidents?
Imagine spending that amount of money on a PR agency or some consultancy firm with the goal to market your country and get tourists to it. It wouldn’t result in anything and would be a waste. The royal family is doing a great job and I would not like to have their lives, good public servants! I think it adds a nice historic touch and nice to have a part of the establishment that is party neutral and long term.
To compare and contrast France spend approximately 123 million € on it’s presidential office, so heads of state are expensive regardless of type.
[https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_de_la_pr%C3%A9sidence_de_la_R%C3%A9publique_fran%C3%A7aise](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_de_la_pr%C3%A9sidence_de_la_R%C3%A9publique_fran%C3%A7aise)
Abolish the monarchies
Now do a study that looks at how much revenue the Royal families attract to their respective countries. That would be interesting!
I can’t talk for the others, but Spain uses more money. That’s just the public spending under label “crown”, it doesn’t mean there isn’t further spending for the crown. Indeed there is. Interesting to check spending for monarchies, but you can’t take just “Crown spending” and compare it, you need first to make comparable.
Or like we say in spanish, no hay que mezclar churras con merinas.
Now compare to how much money the crown bring into the country via tourism and diplomatic ties.
Pretty sure the UK monarch bring something like £1.5 – £2 *billion* in return.
It costs little old Ireland, with 7 million people, **€6.2 million** to run our Presidency. We’re at about €1.20 per person, UK is at about €2.10 per person, but probably get a decent economic boost from tourism which buffers some of that.
I’m no royalist, but the cost is largely irrelevant, in my view, to argument for abolition.
Would also be interesting to know what benefits and opportunities do The Crown bring to a country
It all sounds like a lot, but if you break it down per inhabitant, you get A LOT of entertainment for a few bucks per year
For most of these countries the amount shown is what goes directly to the royal house. So without more broader expenses like security or travel expenses. On the other hand, the amount of money that is basically equivalent to personal income is lower than it might imply. Most money is paid as salary to employees who assist in the official duties.
The Luxembourg and Denmark gems should swap places, and I’m irrationally irritated they fucked that up.
Long live the Republic.
That was the year he was made king in the uk and the queen died also :Z
In the UK it’s not really a direct payment. The royal family were extremely privately rich historically (still are but not as), and at some point did a deal with the nation that they would give most of their assets to the country as long as they got paid a dividend from it, which is the crown estate.
Imagine if Zuckerberg gave the country all his assets in return for a much smaller guaranteed annual payment, it’s like the 18th century version of that.
Long live Republics everywhere. One day we will celebrate when the last monarchy is dissolved.
***53 MILLION?!?!?*** WTF
Surprised these figures are so low.
And yet, no inheritance tax!
Fuck the monarchy.
What are we doing in the Netherlands? 🤷♀️
That is almost an american presidential ”ballroom”.
This does not tell the full story, of course.
The money that is actually spent by the Treasury to support the Crown is a percentage of the amount of money that is paid into the Treasury by the Crown.
In 2023/2024 the Crown raised £1.1b and received back a support grant of roughly 12% of that so yes, ‘the public’ paid the Crown £147m but the Crown paid ‘the public’ over £1b.
I can’t talk about the other monarchies, but Swedens money goes mainly to uphold old castles, nature reserves, and other spending towards the public and not to the monarch himself.
I wonder what the relative value of each royal family is compared the cost (also compared to
other heads of state). The Royal Family in the UK does bring in tourism dollars. How much is hard to say. This is an article from 2017 which put the figure north of a billion dollars:
https://www.regionalstudies.org/rsa-blog/blog-the-impact-of-the-uk-royal-family-on-tourism/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
Off with their heads!
The remnants of the former German monarchies/nobility do get money too, though it’s all very intransparent, because it’s split up into many deals and trusts that were formed in the late 19th/early 20th century in the various German states/duchies/kingdoms etc. One example: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wittelsbacher_Ausgleichsfonds
It’s not directly tax money that’s spent but rather income from buildings and lands, but in my opinion that’s not much better, because save for some residences all of that should be state-owned and all proceeds should go to the state.
I would like to see this for head of states, including pensions and other costs. I imagine it would be higher or near the same
Now let’s add the cost of other heads of State as well
But how much does a guillotine cost?
France? How much are those things?
Would make more sense to compare that data with context:
– per capita
– % of gov budget
– % of GDP
– comparison to potential income generated by merch sales or other business activities the royal families pursue.
The real Swedish number is about half of what is reported here (96 million SEK). The budget for Kungahuset is divided in two parts, one which covers the Royal Court (so the Royal Family and the Kings role as head of state), and one which covers the maintenance of the castles and palaces formally managed by the Court. The latter would still have to be covered even if we were a republic.
It’s missing the Vatican.
147m isn’t much. The UK royal family generates almost a billion in revenue from tourism, merchandise and tax from the petroleum companies providing fuel for flights to Epstein Island.
Beatrix used to be the wealthiest woman after queen Elisabeth. They don’t need our money
Some of those numbers don’t feel realistic.
Portugal’s Civil House – officially – spends 18M a year. Portugal’s President constitutional powers are very similar to the powers of the King of Spain. Portugal’s President is not a King, but he sometimes (a lot of times) acts like a queen. Considering that, Spain’s 9M seems like peanuts.
Denmark spends most of the funding on upkeep and renovation of cultural buildings and salaries for various personel.
Their finance report is also public here: https://www.kongehuset.dk/%C3%98konomi# (In Danish)
Uk is also a much much bigger country
would rather have trump as king that doesn’t spend any of the public’s money but being a genius business man earn himself billions in one year.
Should be 0.