Come mostrato nell’immagine, tutti e quattro i guidatori tengono in mano i cellulari e lasciano che la polizia stradale risponda alle chiamate, una pratica molto comune in Cina. (Sono cinese)
Questi trasgressori spesso conoscono i funzionari locali e se la polizia non li esenta dalla punizione, il loro avanzamento di carriera come agenti della polizia stradale è sostanzialmente finito.
Ho intenzione di vivere in Germania per uno o due anni in futuro. So che la Germania è un paese democratico governato dallo stato di diritto, ma mi preoccupa la possibilità che possa davvero ottenere un’applicazione della legge indipendente in questioni minori come queste.
Ad esempio, in Germania, se i miei genitori o conoscenti sono funzionari locali o il capo del dipartimento dei trasporti, esistono modi simili per evitare la punizione?
ps: Il significato cinese nell’immagine: Senza mezzi straordinari, come si potrebbe accumulare una grande ricchezza?
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NO
No
This would not work. The opposite would be true.
No. Most of the time it would even get you in more trouble.
In a small town wher everyone knows everyone, maybe. Big cities not really
No.
Don‘t violate laws, don’t get punished. It‘s as easy as that.
Be a politician then everything goes with vitamin c you won’t get far.
Yes. As a family memeber of policemen there is a chance you don’t get a ticket for minor charges like speeding or something. At least if you live in a small town where pretty much everybody knows everybody
No.
Not yet.
No, trying that will probably get you into more trouble.
Not in this way, no. If you happen to be an acquaintance of the officer stopping you, then yeah, there’s a chance they let you go with a warning. But if you try to extort them, you will find out that they will just slap you with addtional charges.
I‘d say: never in a city, but out in the country, where everybody knows everybody, it is a different story.
Couple of years ago, a state minister had to apologize in state parliament because he got caught driving 120 km/h instead of 80 km/h (he was driving as a private person). I think this is absolutely right.
With a random police officer? Absolutely not.
If you happen to run into your police officer best friend for a very minor offense? Maybe
Only diplomats. But their embassy will still get notified.
Worst case is that they have to leave the country.
If you personally know the officer and it’s just some small Ordnungswidrigkeit, yeah sure. In any other scenario no
My dad was a driving instructor and expert for traffic law on the local court.
The stories he told me about corruption inside the police, TÜV, courts were brutal, so yes.
Especially in rural areas / the amigo state of Bavaria, it does happen that things like parking infractions of certain people won’t be followed up upon.
For bigger things cum-ex, the connection of the former chancellor Scholz with Warburg bank was highly questionable at the very least.
But all on all, it’s certainly still not as bad.
Absolutely not.
As you said, Germany is a democratic country, that is an essential part of democracy.
As it says in the Grundgestz (Basically the German Constitution):
GG Art. 3 Abs. 1: “Alle Menschen sind vor dem Gesetz gleich.”
Engl. “All persons shall be equal before the law.”
[https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/gg/BJNR000010949.html](https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/gg/BJNR000010949.html)
[https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/englisch_gg.html#p0027](https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/englisch_gg.html#p0027)
And Corruption in that area is very very uncommon.
Probably because it is a very minor thing, and traffic penalties are very very low, (in my opinion much too low)
To me it feels insane that people are actually concerned about this, and that in many areas of the world, and for a huge minority of world population, everyday corruption is just an everyday thing. And I am very thankfull, that I can live in a democratic country.
This kind of corruption doesn‘t exist in Germany. If you‘d try you will most likely get into more trouble.
Please don’t try doing this lol
We just made the fines so small that anyone with the power to pull shit like this doesn’t give a fuck about them
In my experience anybody with the smallest amount of authority over you (immigration office, driving license office, police, doctors secretary, teachers, you name it) will take any chance they get to exercise their authority to the fullest. You’ll get nowhere trying this. Unless it is your uncle in law from down the road
No. Calling someone who “has the power to get you out of this situation” won’t work in Germany. It will do the polar opposite. This is an attempt of corruption and will usually result in heavy fines on top of the fine for your traffic violation.
If you directly know the specific police officer, it might help you, sure. But the odds are incredibly low to meet an officer that you know. Unless you are a police officer yourself.
Being a popular politician yourself might help too, but it has to be on a level so that everybody knows you, like being the major or something like that. Being just a relative of a politician usually won’t help you at all.
Unless you are not a friend of related to the officer the chances are 0%. Even If you know the officer or are related it might be a relatively low chance which might also depend on the 2nd officer.
And of course depending on the offense.
Nobody is above the laws. That’s why they are there.
Everyone is gonna tell you no.
But you don’t even need connections, you can pay someone else to admit and get the fine (& the license points) instead of you.
Assuming you weren’t stopped on the road, but rather got a fine sent to your address asking whether or not it was you driving the car.
Just don’t commit any crimes and everything will be fine. If you’re planning something like that, don’t come to my country.
This is one point where Austria differs heavily from Germany. Anecdotes of police letting and old farmer drive home drunk because “he knows the way” are common, though on this one I’m not sure. It sounds just TOO irresponsible. Similarly, a German colleague had problems with an overly strict recycling center, until his landlord accompanied him with a bottle of Schnaps. On the political level we have someone who, as part of a diversion, admitted to illegal favoritism for one applicant for a position, who remains the club president of that political party, and his party members keep speaking of *alleged* favoritism, after he already formally admitted it.
I once wrote a ticket to one of the judge of our town.
Police in Germany has a certain leeway with minor traffic offences, like only giving you a verbal warning instead of fining you. So what could happen if you’re stopped by your best bud is that you’re more likely to get a verbal warning if your infraction wasn’t that serious. If your infraction was serious enough though, that wouldn’t help you.
Something like “I know your superiors best friends cousin” won’t help you though. No police officer will risk his career over saving you a few bucks.
Also helps to keep in mind that in Germany police usually patrols as a pair, not one officer alone. That makes most sorts of corruption usually harder. Or more expensive, however you wanna see it…
No. Better don’t try. The most likely outcome is that you and that official will find themselves with an indictment for attempted bribery or witness tampering.
The only way you might get out of a ticket might be a small town and you personally know the officer that stopped you.
Elected officials in Germany have essentially zero influence on the police. They make laws that the police follows. But name dropping or similar will turn you €60 fine in a criminal matter. Don’t.
Nope. Try to give them money for bribing and find yourself being prosecuted.
But if you try and you are sentenced for corruption, you won’t end up in the gulag or death row either.
Corruption is a universal problem
Try it and let us know
Traffic violations you can get away with, if you know the policeman stopping you.
But no, there are no “i know someone higher up” calls.
Following the law is deeply engrained in the German culture.
You are asking about a country where people will follow the cross walk signals even with no cars in the area and chide people who don’t with not following the law being a bad example for the children. They will do this even if there are no children to see this.
The police have a reputation of being friendly, helpful, and respectable.
Effectively this is already the case. The political connections of the car industry have created an environment where there is almost zero effective enforcement of any rule for cars and trucks.
By buying a car here you are buying into this complex. You give money to the carmakers, they pay their lobbyists etc. Much more efficient that way.
It is really simple in Germany, follow the traffic rules! Otherwise you‘ll really be in trouble in case of.