Immaginate se si affrontasse il problema dell’abbandono: quante persone potrebbero essere ospitate?!
Newry, Co.Down, ma questo può essere visto in ogni villaggio, paese e città in tutta l’Irlanda. Quante persone potrebbero essere ospitate se tali immobili venissero ripristinati?
Irish in France here. What they do here is massively increase the owner’s property tax until they cop themselves on. Ireland really needs to do this…
Any-Tomorrow-7344 on
Newry is FULL of buildings like this.
DanDangerx on
It comes down to whos gonna put the cost into reviving it or can it be if even. Euros & cents+time. If I a betting man without even seeing the inside of this property, Id say its walls are supporting the adjacent buildings. Otherwise the innards must be terrible for it to be boarded up and to keep youth and squatters causing further damage and fires.
Taking into account the roughly 19,500 derelict houses and the average amount of bedrooms in an average house you could house a little over 53,000 people I reckon.
CurrencyDesperate286 on
If labour is one of the big issues with construction – I’m not sure if renovations would necessarily be *that* much of a solution. The cost of renovations of derelict properties is also pretty huge – even just making some renovations to a property that’s currently inhabited can be eye-wateringly expensive.
Obviously we should want to get rid of dereliction for more reasons than just the housing crisis, definitely not arguing that. I’m just not sure if it actually is an easy solution that would have a big short-term impact.
FlakyAssociation4986 on
yes there is a property on a prominent road in cork that has been empty for at least 15 years now
hmmm_ on
If you take a walk along the canals in central Dublin, it’s appalling the scale of dereliction, empty space and low rise housing. And this within walking distance of the city centre. Meanwhile we are being forced to build apartment blocks outside the M50 because that’s the only place where planning permission is being granted to build. We need to knock large areas of the central city, and fuck all of this terrible planning.
Consistent_Fix101 on
Turn it into another mosque
D-dog92 on
If you visit Poland and come back and see this, you really start to ask which country is the “rich” one
Constant_Archer_3819 on
Use it or lose it. 2 years vacant and then you are forced to sell or CPO. Thats it.
Ok-Cry7712 on
They wouldn’t be Irish granted 100 percent
roisindubh11 on
Our government just voted down a bill which would tackled dereliction the Derlict site amendment bill 2022. If your interested in how County Council can tackled them successfully id recommend looking into limerick city and country council and their massive success on tackling dereliction.I got a speaker Audrey Crowe into my college to speak on this and how they did it ,it can be done they just dont want to
Mysterious_Gear_268 on
Theres 6-8 vacant derelict properties that our junior minister for housing can see out his back window….
Seamy18 on
People always talk about dereliction taxes (which I do like), but sticks are only one half of the carrot-stick equation.
I have always thought that some sort of dereliction equity fund might be of use. Owners of these properties don’t have the capital to bring them up to usable standard, but also would be stupid to sell them as next year they will be worth more. In theory they could remortgage to get the cash necessary but that comes with risk.
The fund would be publicly owned and would grant the funds necessary to redevelop derelict properties, in exchange for a market-rate equity stake in the property. The goal would be to get the property back to an income-generating state (i.e. rent) which would be shared between the fund and the owner. At any point, the owner would have full rights to buy-back the equity stake if they so desired. On the flip side, a dereliction tax could be introduced for owners which fail to avail of this option (or a privately funded redevelopment),
This achieves three things:
1. Pays for itself over time (through a share of income generated by the property), so it is scalable.
2. Generates income for the property owner, incentivising them to redevelop without losing a stake in the property (the carrot).
That being said, I’m not an economist or developer or government official or financier or any other relevant qualified professional, so I’d be happy to be shot down and told why this idea wouldn’t work.
Cautious-Hovercraft7 on
Imagine all the immigrants we could make a killing off
ancapailldorcha on
Solving the housing crisis challenges too many vested interests. Several TDs are landlords. They’re not going to be the turkeys who vote for Christmas.
standarsh1965 on
Should be massive fines for letting your second house go this way
TitularClergy on
Not enough people are aware of the Croí Cónaithe grants scheme, where the government gifts you up to 70k for converting a derelict property into a home. It is an absolutely fantastic way for someone to get a home, designed as exactly they want it, for a knock-down price. And, to be fair, it is one of the ways the government is actually helping to deal with the two issues of the housing crisis and derelict properties.
So, imagine someone with 60k wanted to have a nice new home out of a derelict site. First they get the advices of a good architect on what to do. They pick out a vacant, derelict property in the city and get the architect to assess it and see if it could be used in the context of that scheme. They purchase it, say for 20k. Their architect starts the process of getting a design together and all the procedures and paperwork to get the government to approve a grant for the property. The government then inspects the site, the plans etc. After a short time they produce the paperwork saying the grant is approved (i.e. the government says it will gift the owner 70k towards the costs). Importantly, this paperwork is acceptable by banks for the purposes of a loan to do up the property. The owner gets this loan (it could be 70k, or it could be over this amount if they could afford more). Then the architect gets to work pulling together all the people to get the building built and finished. This process can take 6 months. After the building is complete, the government inspects the property and every single receipt to the contractors (which is perfectly reasonable, to prevent fraud and the like) and then takes about 3 months before it then gifts the owner 70k. The owner then uses this to pay back the bank (or contractors, if they found contractors willing to delay payment).
It works. I know because I did it.
Lynch8933 on
What happens in Ireland is crazy when you compare it to Europe. Living in Switzerland I can tell you every city has people and families living right in the centre. Whereas in Ireland the greed is to sell land to make money and build new houses on in areas that have zero infrastructure
Yooklid on
Incentivize people to put them back into the market – I know punitive measures are popular on reddit, but if you make it easy to get these back on the market, it will happen.
Particular-Irishman on
With all the flooding lately I wonder how many of these vacant places are in areas that flood badly and people have left them empty for that reason. I’m not disagreeing either but for how many is it a bigger job than we think to get them livable again
Baileyesque on
My own landlord has been holding a large, beautiful apartment next door to me empty for a year so he can legally jack up the rent for the next tenants, probably this month or next month.
Great incentives at work.
LeonBackward on
There’s 2 going derelict on my row after been bought by a developer to knock and build apartments but now in limbo with the planning permission and objections for months. Both properties are currently occupied by drug addicts who found their way in.
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Irish in France here. What they do here is massively increase the owner’s property tax until they cop themselves on. Ireland really needs to do this…
Newry is FULL of buildings like this.
It comes down to whos gonna put the cost into reviving it or can it be if even. Euros & cents+time. If I a betting man without even seeing the inside of this property, Id say its walls are supporting the adjacent buildings. Otherwise the innards must be terrible for it to be boarded up and to keep youth and squatters causing further damage and fires.
I mean… there’s this: [https://m10news.com/government-grants-bring-over-3000-vacant-irish-homes-back-into-use/](https://m10news.com/government-grants-bring-over-3000-vacant-irish-homes-back-into-use/)
Taking into account the roughly 19,500 derelict houses and the average amount of bedrooms in an average house you could house a little over 53,000 people I reckon.
If labour is one of the big issues with construction – I’m not sure if renovations would necessarily be *that* much of a solution. The cost of renovations of derelict properties is also pretty huge – even just making some renovations to a property that’s currently inhabited can be eye-wateringly expensive.
Obviously we should want to get rid of dereliction for more reasons than just the housing crisis, definitely not arguing that. I’m just not sure if it actually is an easy solution that would have a big short-term impact.
yes there is a property on a prominent road in cork that has been empty for at least 15 years now
If you take a walk along the canals in central Dublin, it’s appalling the scale of dereliction, empty space and low rise housing. And this within walking distance of the city centre. Meanwhile we are being forced to build apartment blocks outside the M50 because that’s the only place where planning permission is being granted to build. We need to knock large areas of the central city, and fuck all of this terrible planning.
Turn it into another mosque
If you visit Poland and come back and see this, you really start to ask which country is the “rich” one
Use it or lose it. 2 years vacant and then you are forced to sell or CPO. Thats it.
They wouldn’t be Irish granted 100 percent
Our government just voted down a bill which would tackled dereliction the Derlict site amendment bill 2022. If your interested in how County Council can tackled them successfully id recommend looking into limerick city and country council and their massive success on tackling dereliction.I got a speaker Audrey Crowe into my college to speak on this and how they did it ,it can be done they just dont want to
Theres 6-8 vacant derelict properties that our junior minister for housing can see out his back window….
People always talk about dereliction taxes (which I do like), but sticks are only one half of the carrot-stick equation.
I have always thought that some sort of dereliction equity fund might be of use. Owners of these properties don’t have the capital to bring them up to usable standard, but also would be stupid to sell them as next year they will be worth more. In theory they could remortgage to get the cash necessary but that comes with risk.
The fund would be publicly owned and would grant the funds necessary to redevelop derelict properties, in exchange for a market-rate equity stake in the property. The goal would be to get the property back to an income-generating state (i.e. rent) which would be shared between the fund and the owner. At any point, the owner would have full rights to buy-back the equity stake if they so desired. On the flip side, a dereliction tax could be introduced for owners which fail to avail of this option (or a privately funded redevelopment),
This achieves three things:
1. Pays for itself over time (through a share of income generated by the property), so it is scalable.
2. Generates income for the property owner, incentivising them to redevelop without losing a stake in the property (the carrot).
That being said, I’m not an economist or developer or government official or financier or any other relevant qualified professional, so I’d be happy to be shot down and told why this idea wouldn’t work.
Imagine all the immigrants we could make a killing off
Solving the housing crisis challenges too many vested interests. Several TDs are landlords. They’re not going to be the turkeys who vote for Christmas.
Should be massive fines for letting your second house go this way
Not enough people are aware of the Croí Cónaithe grants scheme, where the government gifts you up to 70k for converting a derelict property into a home. It is an absolutely fantastic way for someone to get a home, designed as exactly they want it, for a knock-down price. And, to be fair, it is one of the ways the government is actually helping to deal with the two issues of the housing crisis and derelict properties.
So, imagine someone with 60k wanted to have a nice new home out of a derelict site. First they get the advices of a good architect on what to do. They pick out a vacant, derelict property in the city and get the architect to assess it and see if it could be used in the context of that scheme. They purchase it, say for 20k. Their architect starts the process of getting a design together and all the procedures and paperwork to get the government to approve a grant for the property. The government then inspects the site, the plans etc. After a short time they produce the paperwork saying the grant is approved (i.e. the government says it will gift the owner 70k towards the costs). Importantly, this paperwork is acceptable by banks for the purposes of a loan to do up the property. The owner gets this loan (it could be 70k, or it could be over this amount if they could afford more). Then the architect gets to work pulling together all the people to get the building built and finished. This process can take 6 months. After the building is complete, the government inspects the property and every single receipt to the contractors (which is perfectly reasonable, to prevent fraud and the like) and then takes about 3 months before it then gifts the owner 70k. The owner then uses this to pay back the bank (or contractors, if they found contractors willing to delay payment).
It works. I know because I did it.
What happens in Ireland is crazy when you compare it to Europe. Living in Switzerland I can tell you every city has people and families living right in the centre. Whereas in Ireland the greed is to sell land to make money and build new houses on in areas that have zero infrastructure
Incentivize people to put them back into the market – I know punitive measures are popular on reddit, but if you make it easy to get these back on the market, it will happen.
With all the flooding lately I wonder how many of these vacant places are in areas that flood badly and people have left them empty for that reason. I’m not disagreeing either but for how many is it a bigger job than we think to get them livable again
My own landlord has been holding a large, beautiful apartment next door to me empty for a year so he can legally jack up the rent for the next tenants, probably this month or next month.
Great incentives at work.
There’s 2 going derelict on my row after been bought by a developer to knock and build apartments but now in limbo with the planning permission and objections for months. Both properties are currently occupied by drug addicts who found their way in.