Perché i canali di notizie tedeschi dicono questo mentre il 99% delle persone qui dice il contrario? Perché le opinioni dei canali e delle persone non si allineano?
Anche qualche giorno fa ho letto la stessa cosa su Taggeschau.
Comparable story as in many countries (in the Netherlands its comparable); they want cheap people, ideally pay them an unlivable wage and have them fully depend on the employer so they are trapped.
To illustrate how it works in the Netherlands (as we drunk even more of the ‘free market’ kool-aid as types like Friedrich Merz did); 30% income tax breaks on immigrants hired from abroad and paid over 50k/year so they can aggressively undercut wages and apply wage suppression on the locals. Lower paid labour comes with ‘housing’ (read a bed in a slum for 700 euros a month), as there is a delebitately caused housing ‘crisis’ those people can’t move neither switch employers as they’ll be kicked out straight away.
They don’t want workers, they want slaves.
bregus2 on
IT specialists != CS juniors
Also yes, plenty of fields of work who hire people if they can get hold of them (because they cannot find them).
Delicious_March_838 on
High skilled workers don’t want to, and shouldn’t, work for peanuts.
Ultimate-TND on
Because news like to bend the reality a bit,
there is a shortage in some work areas, mainly healthcare, elderly care and in some trade skill jobs.
But IT definitely doesn’t have a shortage.
Companies usualy like to scream that there is a worker shortage but the only real shortage they see is a shortage in cheap wage slaves they can exploit.
So while the reality is that there is some shortage, the news outlets just decide to listen to the big corporations which say shit like that.
SlovenianTherapist on
My company is firing people to outsource their jobs to cheap non european countries.
Unless the government does something to protect the local workforce, the money will slowly drain out of the country.
They are not missing skilled workers, they are missing cheap skilled workers.
Ready_Stage379 on
Because of the disparity between skills and demand, many people are struggling to find jobs, and companies are struggling to find people with certain skills. E.g. there is a huge gap in all medical areas, and in IT, some skills are quite difficult to find because it’s not just about getting training but also having actual experience in the field.
testboa on
Because the german goverment is slow as fuck. They just try, to fix a 2020 problem in 2026. Around 2028-2029, they will understand that there is no more demand in IT people and in 2030 they will stop talking about the shortage.
YardLimp on
Because Germany is missing skilled workers with German language skills and recognized training and education that are willing to work in certain areas.
There is a shortage of skilled workers, but that doesn’t mean it’s easy to enter the labor market as a foreigner.
The bureaucracy behind this is one of the reasons of the shortage.
Flamebeard_0815 on
Well, one of the problems is: While we might have the amount of skilled workers on paper, most of them aren’t willing to relocate to where skilled work is to be utilized. Those areas are at times less desirable to live in for a variety of reasons, some of them being poor infrastucture, lower wages and/or lower living standards due to a lack of investments in property.
For companies, it’s cheaper to demand foreign talent that will work for less, as the alternative would be paying German qualified personnel a premium on top of their salary to relocate.
FrameaMan on
CEOs need cheap laborers as competitors at the workforce market to dump wages for the natives who want fair shares and higher wages. Additionally, politicians need migration to avoid having to deal with the highly emotional topic of family. The modern migration benefits the rich and powerful, the rest of us suffers from it.
Prestigious_Ad_9007 on
They wanted to say slaves from 3rd world countries that is what they wanna imply there lol
St0rmtide on
Office jobs can still pick and choose, anything related to Handwerk is struggling
DocSternau on
The news outlet is correct.
But hiring those professionals is also a question of money.
Prinzmegaherz on
We have three million unemployed people in Germany, yet the government and industry claim there‘s a worker shortage so people should work longer hours. Go figure
iTmkoeln on
They want the 19 year old with 20 years of work experience that of course has a masters degree that works for minimum wage.
Or people that are okay with bait and switches.
Annekdote like a year ago I had an interview for a Level 2 IT Support role : 80% Homeoffice – 20 % Office (way to the office from my home would have been 20km so basically on the other side of Hamburg) – 50-85k gross / year
Well it turns out they wanted a Level 1 – Level 2 and Level 3 Support, that is willing to do on call support 4-5 times a year on weekends (because we are on tradeshows like 4-5 times per year), helps with hiring as a temporal team lead in IT and is okay with 50.
And yeah about that Homeoffice.
We want you 4 times a week in office but we allow up to 4 days per month home office (with the caveat that we don’t want home office on mondays, fridays, tuesdays or wednesdays. And if either tuesday or thursday is a public holiday no homeoffice on wednesday either.).
I demanded 55 for the first year and got told I was way too expensive and they found someone cheaper… Given that offer turned up 6 times between indeed, workwise, stepstone and workwise since then like every quarter the cheaper option probably did not work out.
Competitive-Leg-962 on
Skill means many years or decades of experience. The ones complaining are fresh graduates or fairly junior people, or skilled experienced once who got laid off in large corporates with 180k annual income who can’t find anything in the same range anymore.
bier_getRunken on
It’s not about “different opinions”. On Reddit you see the side of workers not finding a job, while on the news you read about enterprises not finding workers. It’s happening both.
metrill on
For IT it’s only certain niches.
Wrestler7777777 on
No, Germany is not lacking skilled workers. Germany is lacking skilled workers that are willing to work for a salary of an unskilled worker and who also want to do the work of an entire team by themselves.
NoSoundNoFury on
There’s a shortage of people willing to do work that is considered unattractive:
– Lots of late shifts or night shifts;
– Located in rural areas;
– Low salary (especially when combined with required certification);
– Stressful people jobs like nursing or being a kindergarden or elementary school teacher;
– Jobs where you have career alternatives with higher salaries on similar qualifications, like being a STEM teacher at school.
Xuval on
“shortage of workers” in Germany is always code for “We do not like the wages we have to pay people and would like more applicants, so we can lower wages.”
Bread_addict on
The IT shortage only relates to experienced specialists, people asking here would be juniors straight out of the university with limited German skills, nobody is looking for them here.
D-ReX24 on
And now Europe made a deal with India for easy work access… Let’s see how this will impact our job pool😅
JoMaster68 on
I generally assume this is just ragebait, no one in their right mind can possibly claim that there is a shortage of it workers in germany
noobstaah on
yeah thats bullshit. It should read “Germany is facing massice shortage of skilled workers, from nurses to IT specialists, who have 10+ years of work experience and are willing to work for ~40k/year in cities like Munich/Berlin … “
Prestigious_Rub_831 on
Their is no worker shortage but a shortage of slaves.
Companys dont want to pay a living wage and germans dont want foreinger labour because it pushes down the wages. Good example are truckdrivers the salary went down so much compared to the cost of living its crazy.
Thats goes for most jobs where good german is not needed.
sfw_throwaway_7 on
Germany is facing a massive shortage of CHEAP skilled workers.
The headlines don’t tell the fact that German companies are not willing to pay a fair wage.
mystikal_spirit on
Missing context here are – 1) missing “cheap” and “disposable” labour, i.e. legal slavery, 2) Job market and soceity here is not ready for integrating these skilled workers. Yes, integration is a two-way street. 3) C2 German insistance from day 0 does not help with 2). 4) Some skilled workforce is actually over-qualified for the current requirements..
I am sure there is more that we do not see or notice, but there are many reasons for this mismatch of experienced and reported reality. And over simplification of the issue does not help..
irish1983 on
Germany has an abundance of skilled workers lacking the skills the market needs and at the same time struggles to attract talent from abroad with the skills and experience the economy needs. Hence unemployment rates are on the rise while the shortage of skilled workers remains.
RealLeif on
They have the shortage, cause they dont want to pay the trained people what they are worth. Simple as that. With a Masters Degree i now look at the salary that Bachelors Degree wouldnt even look at 5 years ago.
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The missing word is ‘cheap’.
Comparable story as in many countries (in the Netherlands its comparable); they want cheap people, ideally pay them an unlivable wage and have them fully depend on the employer so they are trapped.
To illustrate how it works in the Netherlands (as we drunk even more of the ‘free market’ kool-aid as types like Friedrich Merz did); 30% income tax breaks on immigrants hired from abroad and paid over 50k/year so they can aggressively undercut wages and apply wage suppression on the locals. Lower paid labour comes with ‘housing’ (read a bed in a slum for 700 euros a month), as there is a delebitately caused housing ‘crisis’ those people can’t move neither switch employers as they’ll be kicked out straight away.
They don’t want workers, they want slaves.
IT specialists != CS juniors
Also yes, plenty of fields of work who hire people if they can get hold of them (because they cannot find them).
High skilled workers don’t want to, and shouldn’t, work for peanuts.
Because news like to bend the reality a bit,
there is a shortage in some work areas, mainly healthcare, elderly care and in some trade skill jobs.
But IT definitely doesn’t have a shortage.
Companies usualy like to scream that there is a worker shortage but the only real shortage they see is a shortage in cheap wage slaves they can exploit.
So while the reality is that there is some shortage, the news outlets just decide to listen to the big corporations which say shit like that.
My company is firing people to outsource their jobs to cheap non european countries.
Unless the government does something to protect the local workforce, the money will slowly drain out of the country.
They are not missing skilled workers, they are missing cheap skilled workers.
Because of the disparity between skills and demand, many people are struggling to find jobs, and companies are struggling to find people with certain skills. E.g. there is a huge gap in all medical areas, and in IT, some skills are quite difficult to find because it’s not just about getting training but also having actual experience in the field.
Because the german goverment is slow as fuck. They just try, to fix a 2020 problem in 2026. Around 2028-2029, they will understand that there is no more demand in IT people and in 2030 they will stop talking about the shortage.
Because Germany is missing skilled workers with German language skills and recognized training and education that are willing to work in certain areas.
There is a shortage of skilled workers, but that doesn’t mean it’s easy to enter the labor market as a foreigner.
The bureaucracy behind this is one of the reasons of the shortage.
Well, one of the problems is: While we might have the amount of skilled workers on paper, most of them aren’t willing to relocate to where skilled work is to be utilized. Those areas are at times less desirable to live in for a variety of reasons, some of them being poor infrastucture, lower wages and/or lower living standards due to a lack of investments in property.
For companies, it’s cheaper to demand foreign talent that will work for less, as the alternative would be paying German qualified personnel a premium on top of their salary to relocate.
CEOs need cheap laborers as competitors at the workforce market to dump wages for the natives who want fair shares and higher wages. Additionally, politicians need migration to avoid having to deal with the highly emotional topic of family. The modern migration benefits the rich and powerful, the rest of us suffers from it.
They wanted to say slaves from 3rd world countries that is what they wanna imply there lol
Office jobs can still pick and choose, anything related to Handwerk is struggling
The news outlet is correct.
But hiring those professionals is also a question of money.
We have three million unemployed people in Germany, yet the government and industry claim there‘s a worker shortage so people should work longer hours. Go figure
They want the 19 year old with 20 years of work experience that of course has a masters degree that works for minimum wage.
Or people that are okay with bait and switches.
Annekdote like a year ago I had an interview for a Level 2 IT Support role : 80% Homeoffice – 20 % Office (way to the office from my home would have been 20km so basically on the other side of Hamburg) – 50-85k gross / year
Well it turns out they wanted a Level 1 – Level 2 and Level 3 Support, that is willing to do on call support 4-5 times a year on weekends (because we are on tradeshows like 4-5 times per year), helps with hiring as a temporal team lead in IT and is okay with 50.
And yeah about that Homeoffice.
We want you 4 times a week in office but we allow up to 4 days per month home office (with the caveat that we don’t want home office on mondays, fridays, tuesdays or wednesdays. And if either tuesday or thursday is a public holiday no homeoffice on wednesday either.).
I demanded 55 for the first year and got told I was way too expensive and they found someone cheaper… Given that offer turned up 6 times between indeed, workwise, stepstone and workwise since then like every quarter the cheaper option probably did not work out.
Skill means many years or decades of experience. The ones complaining are fresh graduates or fairly junior people, or skilled experienced once who got laid off in large corporates with 180k annual income who can’t find anything in the same range anymore.
It’s not about “different opinions”. On Reddit you see the side of workers not finding a job, while on the news you read about enterprises not finding workers. It’s happening both.
For IT it’s only certain niches.
No, Germany is not lacking skilled workers. Germany is lacking skilled workers that are willing to work for a salary of an unskilled worker and who also want to do the work of an entire team by themselves.
There’s a shortage of people willing to do work that is considered unattractive:
– Lots of late shifts or night shifts;
– Located in rural areas;
– Low salary (especially when combined with required certification);
– Stressful people jobs like nursing or being a kindergarden or elementary school teacher;
– Jobs where you have career alternatives with higher salaries on similar qualifications, like being a STEM teacher at school.
“shortage of workers” in Germany is always code for “We do not like the wages we have to pay people and would like more applicants, so we can lower wages.”
The IT shortage only relates to experienced specialists, people asking here would be juniors straight out of the university with limited German skills, nobody is looking for them here.
And now Europe made a deal with India for easy work access… Let’s see how this will impact our job pool😅
I generally assume this is just ragebait, no one in their right mind can possibly claim that there is a shortage of it workers in germany
yeah thats bullshit. It should read “Germany is facing massice shortage of skilled workers, from nurses to IT specialists, who have 10+ years of work experience and are willing to work for ~40k/year in cities like Munich/Berlin … “
Their is no worker shortage but a shortage of slaves.
Companys dont want to pay a living wage and germans dont want foreinger labour because it pushes down the wages. Good example are truckdrivers the salary went down so much compared to the cost of living its crazy.
Thats goes for most jobs where good german is not needed.
Germany is facing a massive shortage of CHEAP skilled workers.
The headlines don’t tell the fact that German companies are not willing to pay a fair wage.
Missing context here are – 1) missing “cheap” and “disposable” labour, i.e. legal slavery, 2) Job market and soceity here is not ready for integrating these skilled workers. Yes, integration is a two-way street. 3) C2 German insistance from day 0 does not help with 2). 4) Some skilled workforce is actually over-qualified for the current requirements..
I am sure there is more that we do not see or notice, but there are many reasons for this mismatch of experienced and reported reality. And over simplification of the issue does not help..
Germany has an abundance of skilled workers lacking the skills the market needs and at the same time struggles to attract talent from abroad with the skills and experience the economy needs. Hence unemployment rates are on the rise while the shortage of skilled workers remains.
They have the shortage, cause they dont want to pay the trained people what they are worth. Simple as that. With a Masters Degree i now look at the salary that Bachelors Degree wouldnt even look at 5 years ago.