Caro Finn,
per favore, non prenderla in modo aggressivo, ma perché sei felice? Pagare le tasse più alte d’Europa. Cosa ti motiva a vivere ancora lì e a non trasferirti altrove? Cosa fa il tuo governo per te e con i soldi?
Sei il primo nell’indice mondiale della felicità, ma paghi le tasse più alte d’Europa, come funziona per te?
https://data.worldhappiness.report/country/FIN
Grazie in anticipo.
Sal. Per favore solo commenti seri
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We’re not
Index is bullshit.
Good Infrastructure, public services (getting worse thanks to rightwing conservatives policies) access to nature, most jobs pay enough for you to have a decent life and still free time to enjoy it.
You do know the government doesnt just take the taxes and keep them?
Read on Finnish tax system, the graphic is misleading
We still earn well. We get free education, healthcare and many other perks. In the end I don’t think we have less money than an American
This map is horseshit.
Going by what I feel every few weeks: the sad people kill themselves (it’s a popular joke around crude people). Honestly there’s nothing to *really* complain about and most people are just satisfied or *fine* with what they have
We are content. Not happy, content. Paying taxes ensure you get security. Getting sick or injured won’t ruin your life. Your kids get education even if you’re not rich. And the likes of that.
If you pay that much taxes it means that you earn a lot of money. No one basically pays even near that much
Your questions assume that less taxes = more happiness. Just by looking at the map, seems to me it’s quite the opposite.
We are happy because we take care of eachother.
In an ideal world no one is left alone and everyone is cared for.
Our current right wing govt. does not understand this. They only know how to hate.
The tax system is progressive not 57% flat tax
First of all, only few people pay that 57%. Secondly, when the tax money goes to things that better society, I’m more than happy to pay my part. Thirdly, the society is mostly intact and at least I think that it is great to live in.
Yeah only the highest earning people would pay anywhere near that amount of taxes from income, I make over 40k a year and my tax is at around 20%
Definitely some misinformation in this map
Do you really think everybody here pays that much taxes?
This shows the highest marginal rate. Completely inaccurate.
The infographic is complete nonsense. Some people in Finland pay this tax, of course, but it’s clearly a minority. If this figure includes other hidden taxes, then why, for example, does it say 13% in Russia, when in reality the state takes around 40%?
The highest marginal tax rate is very different than the average tax rate people actually pay. Extremely misleading map.
Taxation has a progression. The highest rates are for the highest amounts earned.
https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/finland/individual/taxes-on-personal-income
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Finland
People pay way less in general and the benefits are good. Free education for one.
I’ve lived on welfare, I’ve lived with people who have begged for some of that, I’ve seen people just fold and give up.
Despite that, for some reason we have a comparatively robust system for the poor. And what we have is miserable.
We’re high in a pile of other losers.
It more of a contentment index rather than happiness. Meaning that people have good safety nets and not real need for hoard cash in case of getting sick or for wanting kid to go to a good school, or losing job, etc…
Taxes are high sure, but those cover that safety net.
I can trust the random guy.
I like to simplify the situation like this: Everywhere else sucks a bit more.
I pay a high tax rate but it pays for a lot of things:
My child has a great daycare that doesn’t cost much.
Housing doesn’t cost as much as everywhere else.
Public healthcare is swamped but you usually get treatment for your illness. I don’t know if thats the case for other countries.
The government doesn’t have AS MUCH corruption as other countries.
You can trust the police and emergency services.
Trash disposal just works. You don’t even think about it. Recycling is made easy.
You can trust that the food you buy from the stores and restaurants is safe to eat.
Media is relatively trustworthy. Everyone has their political leanings towards left or right but it’s on the milder side.
You can always find exceptions but when you add everything up, it just sucks less than in any other country.
That’s my 2 cents.
[Suicide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Finland)
In our country unhappy people just die so we get a nice ”happy people” statistic 😊
Misleading map.
https://infofinland.fi/work-and-enterprise/taxation
Bold of you to assume i’m happy
Yes these numbers are wrong. But overall indeed government expenses as share of GDP (roughly equal to tax rate) and happiness correlate across countries.
This makes sense. Most valuable stuff in life are public goods: health, education, pleasant built environments, safety, … the more you invest in these public goods the better is the day to day life. If you live in a gated community and are scared to let your kids out to roam freely, chances are life is pretty miserable no matter how fancy house you own.
I like to think of taxes as the subscription fee for the society. In Finland we have the costlier ”Premium” tier, many other countries have ”Basic” tiers…
It’s a mix of work culture and 1/3~ of your income being taxed usually.
As that’s a lot of money we have incredibly good public infrastructure and public services. The overall culture tends to take great use of these services.
These services include the obvious but also the less obvious like public nature and park upkeep ( nature in all it’s forms is incredibly good for your mental and physical health ).
I’d say though these services are getting severely worse lately as the right wing is doing their stuff in parliament. Though worse, they seem to also be discriminating against the approximate 10%~ population of finosweds. So perhaps that may also be a factor?
No one is happy. We might be slightly uplifted from time to time or have a momentary smile every now and then and that is enough to be confused with happines.
Lol, Baltics are taxed more heavily. Not sure who made this map.
I only pay 22% income tax. You’re doing something wrong.
Most countries have a bracket system. This graph is pure misinformation. Take it down.
Wish people would stop with these bullshit AI maps
Graph is wrong, we don’t pay that much
But to answer your question too: We can see our taxes being used in school system, healthcare, social security and other public services which are provided from those funds. Sure the services have been declining in past few years a little bit, but that still does not change the fact that the system is superior to insurances scamming citizens and being in between or having to take ridiculous loans that only benefit banks in order to access higher education.
Like think about it in perspective of a citizen: If you do well in school, you can access the best schools in country simply because of your own hard work. If you get sick or get cancer or lose your job for whatever reason, you don’t starve or go homeless. If one of your loved ones gets into unfortunate situation, you don’t have to worry about money so that they can get the care they need. No one you know is at risk of being homeless long term or starve, unless they really want to do that to themselves.
Now Finland as country is still not in very amazing spot, we are literally next to Russia which has always been a threat to our sovereignty, so at all times we need preparations for that threat or we will lose our country in a heartbeat.
We also were owned by Swedes and Russians in past, which means we have very little to none generational wealth, no massive fortunes have been being amassed here, everything went abroad during those centuries.
So quite literally Finland is by no means wealthy country, we pay from what little we have to support this dreamland of our own creation.
You don’t mind paying taxes if it is worth it.
I get a well functioning society and ease of mind. I will never be homeless.
We have everything we need. Even my friend whos health got so bad he had to quit working in hes 30s has mostly everything he needs. He had no savings, and he still got a surgery that he needed. Unfortunately it didn’t help much, and other health issues came to his burden, but he was still never homeless or never had to beg for money.
When I lost my job (maybe 2008) and couldn’t find another for a loooong time, I still had a decent flat with my own private sauna. The building was relatively new.
Right now the economy is pretty bad, and it’s not easy to find a job, but even the unemployed ones have decent homes. If they can’t find a job, they can spend the extra time re-educating in a school, and even get paid to do so.
I’m happy to pay taxes in this kind of society!