Dovrebbe esserci un Ministro per gli Uomini e i Ragazzi?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78jy9rxx1go

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35 commenti

  1. circleribbey on

    Yes. We can’t continue to complain about the effects of toxic influencers on young boys or the struggles of white working class boys when it comes to academic achievement, or high male suicide rates, if we’re going continue to do absolutely nothing about it.

  2. Yes.

    It is an area that would benefit massively in combating Manosphere BS.

    Look promote the hundreds of thousands of positive male role-models that are drowned out and combat shitty algorithms that promote crappy behaviour.

    Look at why education is failing boys.

    And address higher suicide rates.

  3. JosephStalinho on

    Yes obviously unless you want the culture wars to continue.

    Or do a minister for youth culture and a minister for young adult social care

  4. proletarianrage on

    In principle, yes. But in practice most government action around equalities is already so tokenistic (at best, actively counterproductive at worst) that I’d worry the role wouldn’t accomplish much, and might actually take attention away from the actual structural changes we severely need in the UK.

  5. FindingBrilliant5501 on

    No and there should not be for any gender. scrap identity politics completely.

  6. Fluffy_Carry_4345 on

    No.

    We should leave the sexes alone

    Its the only way to fix this imo

  7. DANIELLE_2027 on

    Most of my female friends can’t think of a single thing the ‘ministry of women’ has done for them

    It should be one of the first departments to go

  8. wkavinsky on

    There should be someone in government who’s job it is to advocate for *every* grouping of significant size in the UK’s demographic make up.

    Men.
    Boys.
    Women.
    Girls.
    Christians.
    Muslims.
    Welsh.
    Scots.
    English.
    Gay people.
    Trans people.
    Parents.
    Old people.

    Failure to represent *any* group just makes them a whipping post for the benefit of the other groups, with the unsurprising result that the neglected group gets more right wing over time as their needs are ignored, or actively worked against.

  9. JimmyBirdWatcher on

    No, and there shouldn’t be a minister for women and girls either.

  10. Esoteric_Prurience on

    I would argue for an all-party parliamentary group would be quite effective. Working to apply pressure on the various departments, particularly, education and culture.

  11. Jaded_Strain_3753 on

    The quote from the Fawcett Society is incredible. “We have to get over the idea it’s us and them”, whilst literally trying to turn a question about male issues into a discussion about misogyny

  12. Deadliftdeadlife on

    Better question.

    Why shouldn’t there be?

    Genuinely. Can anyone give a valid reason?

  13. Aspect-Unusual on

    Yes, but for a different reason than we need one for girls and women, but still yes we need one

  14. mrjohnnymac18 on

    If they can walk the walk and not just talk the talk, then go for it

  15. PayInternational5287 on

    No just like we don’t need a minister for white people. More pointless bureaucratic nonsense. This country is determined to waste money on identity politics. 

  16. Foreverythingareason on

    Simply yes. The role of the government should be to tackle problems in society wherever they are, women and girls face problems specific to their sex as do men and boys.

    I have been reading Jacob Dunne and he makes a wonderful point, that it takes generations to cause a problem but the government wants quick fixes. There needs to be time spent deconstructing these issues. It’s not about men vs women it’s about trying to build a society that works for everyone.

  17. chopinsladyfriend on

    Considering I can’t name a single good thing the minister for women and girls has done, I’m gonna go with “no”. We don’t need even more pointless box ticking exercises in proving how “progressive” and “caring” the government is, we need people who actually want to improve the country.

  18. Infinite_Crow_3706 on

    Can look into suicide rates and educational equality which is becoming concerning

  19. Nope. Its just a title that wont do anything.

    They dont need a minister to tell them what the issues presenting any group is.

    It can all be done via education and family/social work ministers.

    Seems like they are kicking the problem down the road.

  20. Stunning_Ad_7982 on

    Absolutely not, do not make another bullshit job for an overpaid out of touch bureaucrat that will do nothing apart from commission a review at great public expense and ultimately make no difference.

  21. Internet-Dick-Joke on

    For my university Student Union (and I realise that we are going back a decade here) there was a Men’s Rep and a Women’s Rep, and it was kind of an understanding that if you have one, you have the other.

    That said, while there were definitely some great Men’s Reps historically, there was also a guy who basically ran on the platform of ‘women deserve to be raped and men who complain about (being victims of) sexual assult or domestic violence are pussies’ and actually got voted in because he was the only person running, and most people didn’t pay close enough attention to the SU election campaigns to *not* just vote for the only person running.

    So what I’m saying is, while I would absolutely be in favour of a Minister for Men and Boys, there needs to be some way to ensure that some Andrew Tate-esque bad actor doesn’t get into a position to misuse the role to do shit like block access to domestic violence resources (both for women *and* for men, who already struggle to access such resources)

  22. AssumptionInitial436 on

    It’s a good concept my concern is how within that artical they’ve still spun it around to make it seem like men and boys are the problem? I see this happen alot and If your truly talking about solving issues then men and women should work together not point the finger at each other constantly. 

    This word misogyny as well needs to be corrected as it means hatred for women, and if you truly hated a women you would want them to suffer deeply which i dont think is the case for most men. 

    There needs to be a line in the sand because a man saying “I could not be in a relationship with a women who wears revealing clothing” is not misogyny but in today’s world is framed as being so when im reality its just a matter of respect which you’ll find still holds value across the globe.

    Overall great initiative! if they actually tackle issues as we know politics seems to be alot of talk and no action, hopefully they tackle this Headon and dont make this a case where they start telling boys and men that they should not feel the way they do about certain issues in a way to demonise them. 

  23. friendlyfernando on

    If there is one to advocate for women specific issues there should also be one for men specific issues as well

  24. TheBrassDancer on

    In the sense that there needs to be someone whose portfolio it is to tackle the issues of toxic masculinity, as so frequently seen in the ‘manosphere’.

    To have someone who can advocate for challenging and changing the inherently misogynistic aspects of society that we have would be good for everyone. Misogyny is damaging for men as well, which I think not quite enough people realise (and by no means does this lessen or negate the damage it does to women).

    What is not needed is such a portfolio to be an echo chamber of the misogynistic, chauvinistic talking points espoused by people such as Andrew Tate. The crabs in a bucket mentality so many of these reprobates preach helps nobody except those few men with the power to exploit others.

  25. No, I would argue the if you need gender specific ministers then the other ones aren’t doing their job properly.

    I would rather see the undersecretary for women’s and mental health refocussed to just mental health. Move the reproductive stuff to the undersecretary for public health and prevention (who already deals with sexual health).

  26. Wouldn’t it just be easier to eliminate the Minister for Women and create a Minister for Family where both of these issues can be tackled? Have a directorate for men and one for women.

  27. DavidSwifty on

    I do agree but also in 2029 when reform get in that position will be going to a bloke who will just tell you to man up.

  28. ohthedarside on

    Yes

    Its no surprise how alot of young men and boys act when all they see online is honestly just about the worst role models possible

  29. gorton2499 on

    People are saying we need one to “combat the manospehere”, but thats not just why we need one and its not even the main reason.

    We need one because of the lack of support for male victims of domestic abuse. For the male suicide epidemic. Because of how many males aren’t going to uni. Boys are failing at school. Work place deaths. Very limited funding for men’s health. And so much more.

    Its quite sad that the only reason this is being discussed is because of how its effects women, it wasn’t a problem until then.

  30. ihavetakenthebiscuit on

    Definitely, there is a huge gap in positive male influences in young boys lives, we need to do better than online influencers.

  31. sefianiy on

    Nope. Sexism is a real problem, and this is one of the worst solutions I can see. It is literally the equivalent of a ‘Ministry of Women’. You do not fix a problem by simply turning the tables.

  32. Yes, because both sexes face different challenges. It makes no sense to only lift up one of them.

  33. Boomshrooom on

    I was at UWE when we had a similar discussion regarding a mens officer to help tackle suicide rates amongst male students. It got so toxic they canned the idea and it only went through a couple of years later. Some people find it genuinely offensive that men might have issues that need to be addressed.

    This is a massive issue with trying to help men. Men are often accused of being reactive and only talking about men’s issues in response to women talking about theirs, but when men try to bring about stuff like this to actually make a change, there’s pushback that we “don’t need it”.

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