Not surprised to be perfectly honest, I don’t really see why they’re voting against it, but here we are I suppose.
Party-Dig2309 on
Fucking unbelievable.
People will continue to suffer until they die of their illness/driven to DIY suicide or else can afford and have the capacity to somehow get to Switzerland for a peaceful death instead.
If you were one of the idiots on social media claiming this bill was designed to ‘murder’ the disabled people then go fuck yourself for twisting this bill and trapping terminally ill people in a state of unbearable suffering.
Darrenb209 on
57 backed it, 69 voted against and there was one abstention.
Decisive. Considering how many swapped I have to wonder if there was something blatantly wrong with the final version.
Sky_Ninja1997 on
People rather watch their loved ones rot away painfully, good to know
ByteSizedGenius on
It’s impressive that people could be so concerned about safeguards while they casually allow with minimal qualms tens of thousands every year to have undignified, painful and unfair deaths.
SuspiciousAnt2508 on
It was a terrible bill. A bill probably does exist that gets it right but it isn’t that one. Given how many MSPs changed their view, it looks as if they realised this.
It would also help if palliative care was funded first and not left to charitable donations.
it00 on
People will continue suffering for the sake of a load of BS and ‘what ifs’ that have never happened in any other jurisdiction with virtually identical legislation.
And since when did some politicians have a conscience anyway?
mashed666 on
The way we treat humans that are about to die is diabolical…. No compassion just suffering everyday until most of us just choke to death on our own saliva…
existentialgoof on
This is a truly disgraceful act of cowardice from our political establishment, here in Scotland.
Reasonable_Blood6959 on
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Party-Dig2309 on
I don’t understand what the damn problem is if the bill is literally for people with a terminal illness anyway?
thesnootbooper9000 on
I hope none of them ever have to witness a loved one going through the kind of slow, messy, and inevitable death that makes this bill necessary. However, maybe a few of them could at least go and witness it happening to someone they don’t know so they could maybe begin to understand.
Chlorophilia on
And so we continue to treat our pets with more dignity than our parents. Great job guys, very cool.
boringfantasy on
Can’t wait to be terrminally ill and have to enjoy a final few months of needless suffering cause of this
Better_Concert1106 on
Fucking ridiculous and cowardly decision. We give dogs a more dignified death for fuck sake than what we force some people to go through against their will.
To be blunt the disabled argument is utter bollocks. People, especially idiots on social media, talk about it like there will be death squads going round murdering disabled people. It’s ridiculous. Humza Yousaf was talking about even one disabled person being too many to give rights to a “few”. It’s hardly a few who have to go through undignified, painful and untimely deaths.
Absolute spineless bottle jobs. People who can afford Switzerland will still do it, while others who can’t have to continue to suffer. What a wasted opportunity.
Signal_Neck9314 on
Cowards that are choosing to let nature take its course with the vulnerable and terminally ill. A shameful missed opportunity.
thebrowncanary on
It’s not going to pass in Westminster either. The bills proponents have destroyed any chance of that
Choccokels on
Someone who is not for the bill… please can you explain why?
douggieball1312 on
Never understood why we euthanise terminally ill animals because it’s ‘the kindest thing to do’ but we can’t do the same with fully consenting adult humans in the same position.
Green_Twist4983 on
Great news! We all know they will abuse the system so it’s right that this hasn’t passed.
ArcherVisible5866 on
Such a great result. Doctors are here to keep people alive not to carry the burden of murdering you.
Parkatine on
So I expect massive funding for pallative care tomorrow then right? How about those people who voted against the bill make an example and donate their salaries to palative care funds?
TS040 on
we allow our pets to pass away peacefully and with dignity if faced with terminal illness so I’m confused why we can’t extend that same grace to human beings
ridiculous.
DMoss67 on
MSPs who voted against the bill:
Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)
Allan, Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Balfour, Jeremy (Lothian) (Ind)
Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab)
Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab)
Briggs, Miles (Lothian) (Con)
Brown, Keith (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP)
Carson, Finlay (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Choudhury, Foysol (Lothian) (Ind)
Constance, Angela (Almond Valley) (SNP)
Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Dowey, Sharon (South Scotland) (Con)
Duncan-Glancy, Pam (Glasgow) (Ind)
Eagle, Tim (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Ewing, Annabelle (Cowdenbeath) (SNP)
Ewing, Fergus (Inverness and Nairn) (Ind)
Findlay, Russell (West Scotland) (Con)
Forbes, Kate (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP)
Fraser, Murdo (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Gallacher, Meghan (Central Scotland) (Con)
Golden, Maurice (North East Scotland) (Con)
Gosal, Pam (West Scotland) (Con)
Gougeon, Mairi (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Halcro Johnston, Jamie (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Haughey, Clare (Rutherglen) (SNP)
Hepburn, Jamie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
Hoy, Craig (South Scotland) (Con)
Johnson, Daniel (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab)
Kerr, Stephen (Central Scotland) (Con)
Leonard, Richard (Central Scotland) (Lab)
MacGregor, Fulton (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP)
Maguire, Ruth (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
Marra, Michael (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
McAllan, Màiri (Clydesdale) (SNP)
McCall, Roz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
McMillan, Stuart (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP)
McNair, Marie (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
McNeill, Pauline (Glasgow) (Lab)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Mundell, Oliver (Dumfriesshire) (Con)
Nicoll, Audrey (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
O’Kane, Paul (West Scotland) (Lab)
Regan, Ash (Edinburgh Eastern) (Ind)
Roddick, Emma (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Ross, Douglas (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Rowley, Alex (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Russell, Davy (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (Lab)
Sarwar, Anas (Glasgow) (Lab)
Simpson, Graham (Central Scotland) (Reform)
Smith, Liz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Stevenson, Collette (East Kilbride) (SNP)
Stewart, Alexander (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Sturgeon, Nicola (Glasgow Southside) (SNP)
Sweeney, Paul (Glasgow) (Lab)
Swinney, John (Perthshire North) (SNP)
Villalba, Mercedes (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Webber, Sue (Lothian) (Con)
Wells, Annie (Glasgow) (Con)
White, Tess (North East Scotland) (Con)
Whitfield, Martin (South Scotland) (Lab)
Whittle, Brian (South Scotland) (Con)
Wishart, Beatrice (Shetland Islands) (LD)
Yousaf, Humza (Glasgow Pollok) (SNP)
It’s ridiculous this isn’t passed but I don’t like it when people compare this to putting down pets and animals. It’s not the same at all.
Capacity. Capacity. Capacity.
It’s a word I hate because it’s very complicated but putting a dog down because a major surgery would only extend their life by a few months isn’t the same as a human. A dog can’t tell you “I want to die”. They’re completely different.
When people say “we treat dogs and cats better” they’re immediately comparing a terminal person to a cat or dog. Some terminal people want that extra 3 months despite horrendous pain etc because they want to see their kids that bit longer.
If you have full capacity and know what you’re saying or doing and you’re terminal, you should absolutely choose when to end your life in a safe way. But stop comparing euthanasia to putting pets down.
Valentine70078 on
It’s incredibly sad because there absolutely needs to be some agency for people who are in chronic pain/terminally ill and want some control over when and how they go.
With this being said, the reason it didn’t pass in England and what I imagine the reason was for Scotland is the complex case of coercive control and family/society almost burdening someone in to taking their own life – especially if someone does not have full capacity.
This is where if they were to introduce it, it would need a serious vetting process but it would also mean that we would need to make it essential we are making society and healthcare more inclusive. The government aren’t going to do the latter any time soon, so that’s why MPs vote to deny it. We simply have not built an inclusive infrastructure with enough safeguarding.
HavePicaEatMud on
Very disappointed in the Scottish politicians
They had a chance to give dignity to the suffering but they failed because they are weak
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Not surprised to be perfectly honest, I don’t really see why they’re voting against it, but here we are I suppose.
Fucking unbelievable.
People will continue to suffer until they die of their illness/driven to DIY suicide or else can afford and have the capacity to somehow get to Switzerland for a peaceful death instead.
If you were one of the idiots on social media claiming this bill was designed to ‘murder’ the disabled people then go fuck yourself for twisting this bill and trapping terminally ill people in a state of unbearable suffering.
57 backed it, 69 voted against and there was one abstention.
Decisive. Considering how many swapped I have to wonder if there was something blatantly wrong with the final version.
People rather watch their loved ones rot away painfully, good to know
It’s impressive that people could be so concerned about safeguards while they casually allow with minimal qualms tens of thousands every year to have undignified, painful and unfair deaths.
It was a terrible bill. A bill probably does exist that gets it right but it isn’t that one. Given how many MSPs changed their view, it looks as if they realised this.
It would also help if palliative care was funded first and not left to charitable donations.
People will continue suffering for the sake of a load of BS and ‘what ifs’ that have never happened in any other jurisdiction with virtually identical legislation.
And since when did some politicians have a conscience anyway?
The way we treat humans that are about to die is diabolical…. No compassion just suffering everyday until most of us just choke to death on our own saliva…
This is a truly disgraceful act of cowardice from our political establishment, here in Scotland.
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I don’t understand what the damn problem is if the bill is literally for people with a terminal illness anyway?
I hope none of them ever have to witness a loved one going through the kind of slow, messy, and inevitable death that makes this bill necessary. However, maybe a few of them could at least go and witness it happening to someone they don’t know so they could maybe begin to understand.
And so we continue to treat our pets with more dignity than our parents. Great job guys, very cool.
Can’t wait to be terrminally ill and have to enjoy a final few months of needless suffering cause of this
Fucking ridiculous and cowardly decision. We give dogs a more dignified death for fuck sake than what we force some people to go through against their will.
To be blunt the disabled argument is utter bollocks. People, especially idiots on social media, talk about it like there will be death squads going round murdering disabled people. It’s ridiculous. Humza Yousaf was talking about even one disabled person being too many to give rights to a “few”. It’s hardly a few who have to go through undignified, painful and untimely deaths.
Absolute spineless bottle jobs. People who can afford Switzerland will still do it, while others who can’t have to continue to suffer. What a wasted opportunity.
Cowards that are choosing to let nature take its course with the vulnerable and terminally ill. A shameful missed opportunity.
It’s not going to pass in Westminster either. The bills proponents have destroyed any chance of that
Someone who is not for the bill… please can you explain why?
Never understood why we euthanise terminally ill animals because it’s ‘the kindest thing to do’ but we can’t do the same with fully consenting adult humans in the same position.
Great news! We all know they will abuse the system so it’s right that this hasn’t passed.
Such a great result. Doctors are here to keep people alive not to carry the burden of murdering you.
So I expect massive funding for pallative care tomorrow then right? How about those people who voted against the bill make an example and donate their salaries to palative care funds?
we allow our pets to pass away peacefully and with dignity if faced with terminal illness so I’m confused why we can’t extend that same grace to human beings
ridiculous.
MSPs who voted against the bill:
Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)
Allan, Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Balfour, Jeremy (Lothian) (Ind)
Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab)
Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab)
Briggs, Miles (Lothian) (Con)
Brown, Keith (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP)
Carson, Finlay (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Choudhury, Foysol (Lothian) (Ind)
Constance, Angela (Almond Valley) (SNP)
Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Dowey, Sharon (South Scotland) (Con)
Duncan-Glancy, Pam (Glasgow) (Ind)
Eagle, Tim (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Ewing, Annabelle (Cowdenbeath) (SNP)
Ewing, Fergus (Inverness and Nairn) (Ind)
Findlay, Russell (West Scotland) (Con)
Forbes, Kate (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP)
Fraser, Murdo (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Gallacher, Meghan (Central Scotland) (Con)
Golden, Maurice (North East Scotland) (Con)
Gosal, Pam (West Scotland) (Con)
Gougeon, Mairi (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Halcro Johnston, Jamie (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Haughey, Clare (Rutherglen) (SNP)
Hepburn, Jamie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
Hoy, Craig (South Scotland) (Con)
Johnson, Daniel (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab)
Kerr, Stephen (Central Scotland) (Con)
Leonard, Richard (Central Scotland) (Lab)
MacGregor, Fulton (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP)
Maguire, Ruth (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
Marra, Michael (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
McAllan, Màiri (Clydesdale) (SNP)
McCall, Roz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
McMillan, Stuart (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP)
McNair, Marie (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
McNeill, Pauline (Glasgow) (Lab)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Mundell, Oliver (Dumfriesshire) (Con)
Nicoll, Audrey (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
O’Kane, Paul (West Scotland) (Lab)
Regan, Ash (Edinburgh Eastern) (Ind)
Roddick, Emma (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Ross, Douglas (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Rowley, Alex (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Russell, Davy (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (Lab)
Sarwar, Anas (Glasgow) (Lab)
Simpson, Graham (Central Scotland) (Reform)
Smith, Liz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Stevenson, Collette (East Kilbride) (SNP)
Stewart, Alexander (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Sturgeon, Nicola (Glasgow Southside) (SNP)
Sweeney, Paul (Glasgow) (Lab)
Swinney, John (Perthshire North) (SNP)
Villalba, Mercedes (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Webber, Sue (Lothian) (Con)
Wells, Annie (Glasgow) (Con)
White, Tess (North East Scotland) (Con)
Whitfield, Martin (South Scotland) (Lab)
Whittle, Brian (South Scotland) (Con)
Wishart, Beatrice (Shetland Islands) (LD)
Yousaf, Humza (Glasgow Pollok) (SNP)
As per https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2grl77j47t?post=asset%3Ad1135e49-5cb7-4bb2-9421-ab6b807a8f40#post
It’s ridiculous this isn’t passed but I don’t like it when people compare this to putting down pets and animals. It’s not the same at all.
Capacity. Capacity. Capacity.
It’s a word I hate because it’s very complicated but putting a dog down because a major surgery would only extend their life by a few months isn’t the same as a human. A dog can’t tell you “I want to die”. They’re completely different.
When people say “we treat dogs and cats better” they’re immediately comparing a terminal person to a cat or dog. Some terminal people want that extra 3 months despite horrendous pain etc because they want to see their kids that bit longer.
If you have full capacity and know what you’re saying or doing and you’re terminal, you should absolutely choose when to end your life in a safe way. But stop comparing euthanasia to putting pets down.
It’s incredibly sad because there absolutely needs to be some agency for people who are in chronic pain/terminally ill and want some control over when and how they go.
With this being said, the reason it didn’t pass in England and what I imagine the reason was for Scotland is the complex case of coercive control and family/society almost burdening someone in to taking their own life – especially if someone does not have full capacity.
This is where if they were to introduce it, it would need a serious vetting process but it would also mean that we would need to make it essential we are making society and healthcare more inclusive. The government aren’t going to do the latter any time soon, so that’s why MPs vote to deny it. We simply have not built an inclusive infrastructure with enough safeguarding.
Very disappointed in the Scottish politicians
They had a chance to give dignity to the suffering but they failed because they are weak