good, current dealer is going through mental issues and is unreliable
goldstarflag on
🇪🇺 Build and buy European! The Dutch MoD ordered the domestic defence industry to develop an indigenous cruise missile as an alternative to the US tomahawk and it should be “developed in 6 months”.
Useless_or_inept on
Isn’t propulsion a constraint? What is the solution?
Making cruise missiles isn’t rocket science… but American vendors like Williams dominate the small jet engine market.
woahdudee2a on
that’s fine but their reasoning is avoiding delivery delays by foreign suppliers.. do they know it takes 10+ years to develop such a missile
thinkingtitan on
voting for this to happen, US has shown signs to behave like an unreliable partner.
Potential-South-2807 on
There in currently the ELSA programme to do exactly that.
Colossa on
Dew it
Positive_Chip6198 on
“Tulip-Torpedo” just doesn’t sound as intimidating.
InternalDecision23 on
Firing at drones and taking the lead in developing their own missles, maybe the Dutch should be ones to take the helm at leading NATO? Either way love to see it.
Common-Ad6470 on
Europe should pool it’s resources to develop something far better than the Tomahawk with more stealth capability.
It will be needed to shut Putin down when he comes after the rest of ‘his’ empire.
Basic-Still-7441 on
Do it. 5 years ago. What’s holding you back???
Fly0nTheWall2001 on
It’s a smart move because the US is proving to be an unreliable source.
FerraristDX on
What’s stopping us from developing an “open-source”* European missile system every European country can, build and modify? Doesn’t sound very efficient, if every country started to develop their own system.
*Well, as open as possible considering actors like the US, Russia or China.
CapableCollar on
“Tuinman explained that he wants a Dutch alternative that is significantly cheaper, produced quickly, and available in large quantities”
Reading this part has me worried since it feels like the kind of statement I see right before a program goes off the rails.
DefInnit on
>If industry succeeds in presenting a design within six months, (State Secretary for Defense Gijs)Tuinman said he is prepared to commit the Ministry of Defense to purchasing the new weapon for several years to give manufacturers stable production demand.
He explained that this Dutch system will not attempt to copy the American Tomahawk because the U.S. missile is extremely specialized and very expensive, making direct imitation unrealistic. Instead, he wants a budget version that is significantly cheaper, produced quickly, and available in large quantities to meet operational needs.
France, which already has the naval MdCN as equivalent to (the lower end range) of the Tomahawk, is developing a land-based launcher, with test firings scheduled for 2027 or 2028. The Netherlands can just buy that from their European ally but it seems the Dutch want to develop their own alternative to both the US and French missiles.
Maybe there were some (if any at all) experimental ones in the past but not really anything mass-produced, so this could be the first Dutch-produced missile ever — *if* the idea does turn into reality.
Xalius_Suilax on
Good. Long overdue…
PunicJester on
March of the warpigs
Pint_o_Bovril on
It’s called “Zhee err Tomahawksh Misshile”
Lethiun on
Are there any Dutch missiles available or in development at the moment? Not sure who is going to be making this tbh.
Bozzor on
What is needed is something like an ER-JASSM or perhaps a long range Taurus. Stealth is vital if it can be done at acceptable cost, then you need long range and ideally the ability to hit fixed land or moving naval targets.
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good, current dealer is going through mental issues and is unreliable
🇪🇺 Build and buy European! The Dutch MoD ordered the domestic defence industry to develop an indigenous cruise missile as an alternative to the US tomahawk and it should be “developed in 6 months”.
Isn’t propulsion a constraint? What is the solution?
Making cruise missiles isn’t rocket science… but American vendors like Williams dominate the small jet engine market.
that’s fine but their reasoning is avoiding delivery delays by foreign suppliers.. do they know it takes 10+ years to develop such a missile
voting for this to happen, US has shown signs to behave like an unreliable partner.
There in currently the ELSA programme to do exactly that.
Dew it
“Tulip-Torpedo” just doesn’t sound as intimidating.
Firing at drones and taking the lead in developing their own missles, maybe the Dutch should be ones to take the helm at leading NATO? Either way love to see it.
Europe should pool it’s resources to develop something far better than the Tomahawk with more stealth capability.
It will be needed to shut Putin down when he comes after the rest of ‘his’ empire.
Do it. 5 years ago. What’s holding you back???
It’s a smart move because the US is proving to be an unreliable source.
What’s stopping us from developing an “open-source”* European missile system every European country can, build and modify? Doesn’t sound very efficient, if every country started to develop their own system.
*Well, as open as possible considering actors like the US, Russia or China.
“Tuinman explained that he wants a Dutch alternative that is significantly cheaper, produced quickly, and available in large quantities”
Reading this part has me worried since it feels like the kind of statement I see right before a program goes off the rails.
>If industry succeeds in presenting a design within six months, (State Secretary for Defense Gijs)Tuinman said he is prepared to commit the Ministry of Defense to purchasing the new weapon for several years to give manufacturers stable production demand.
He explained that this Dutch system will not attempt to copy the American Tomahawk because the U.S. missile is extremely specialized and very expensive, making direct imitation unrealistic. Instead, he wants a budget version that is significantly cheaper, produced quickly, and available in large quantities to meet operational needs.
France, which already has the naval MdCN as equivalent to (the lower end range) of the Tomahawk, is developing a land-based launcher, with test firings scheduled for 2027 or 2028. The Netherlands can just buy that from their European ally but it seems the Dutch want to develop their own alternative to both the US and French missiles.
Maybe there were some (if any at all) experimental ones in the past but not really anything mass-produced, so this could be the first Dutch-produced missile ever — *if* the idea does turn into reality.
Good. Long overdue…
March of the warpigs
It’s called “Zhee err Tomahawksh Misshile”
Are there any Dutch missiles available or in development at the moment? Not sure who is going to be making this tbh.
What is needed is something like an ER-JASSM or perhaps a long range Taurus. Stealth is vital if it can be done at acceptable cost, then you need long range and ideally the ability to hit fixed land or moving naval targets.