Un piano di pace discusso e approvato da funzionari ucraini e statunitensi limiterebbe l’esercito ucraino in tempo di pace a 800.000 membri in servizio, ha riferito il Financial Times il 25 novembre, citando funzionari ucraini anonimi.
https://kyivindependent.com/kyiv-us-agree-to-cap-ukraines-military-at-800-000-in-revised-peace-plan-ft-reports/
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This agreement is not peace, but a shackle… If Washington really agrees to limit the Ukrainian army to 800,000 troops, it will permanently undermine Ukraine’s defense capabilities. We cannot allow the “peace plan” to weaken Ukraine’s self-defense.
800K is enough. Especially if most of them are well trained officers and NCOs.
There is no way Russia will accept this anyways
What 800k. Country wirh 20 mln people, can’t allow it self to have 4% of economically active population to be there.
And with what “guarantees” we proposed, our western “allies” ( as they call themselves) simply Russia to finish it’s job in near future
Go for mandatory service, train soldiers for 4 years or so and let them go with their rifle and some kit. When war actually starts again they’ll have an entire population of military trained citizens to draw from instead of conscripting untrained civilians during war.
Another sources say that army limitations were excluded from the list completely.
So… “Info from insiders”, you know
This entire process right now is just a waste of time because Russia is never going to agree.
The only possible benefit is is to show how completely unreasonable Russia is. If that is the case, then give Ukraine what ever it needs to win!
The # of troop limit (even the 600k) didn’t seem concerning to me. Hard to imagine Ukraine sustaining a peacetime force of greater than 600k even AND this can be fairly easily circumvented I think with ancillary groups.
The security guarantee and territorial questions are what matters the most.
Why, anyone who is not going to attack Ukraine would be concerned about number of its army…
> On 1 April 2025, the total size of the full-time UK armed forces (trained and
untrained) was around 147,300 personnel.
9 Most personnel were in the Army
(56%) with the remainder split fairly equally between the Royal Navy/Marines
(RN/RM, 23%) and the Royal Air Force (RAF, 22%).
From a UK government document.
800,000 is a very healthy number for a peacetime force, and reservists wouldn’t/shouldn’t count in that number.
As an American, I think Ukraine should cap their army at 500,000. And get 3 nuclear cruise missiles.
Clever strategy – if there’s genuine peace, Ukraine will need to reduce the size of it for financial reasons anyway but that level should be more than enough to avoid being overwhelmed in a surprise attack
Active military personal 800k, but the reserves can still get trained right
This size of peacetime army is insanely large for a low GDP country like Ukraine.
Whilst I’m not a fan of limiting a nation’s military to a certain number of active personnel. Especially one that will continue to have to worry about Russian invasion. There are ways to game the system.
Ukraine could introduce some sort of mandatory conscription into the reserves where they train several thousand men and women every month but make them part of their reserve forces and not active forces. That way, should they be invaded again, they could call up tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of reserve members who won’t really need to go through basic training.
We do something somewhat similar here in the US minus the conscription part. Reserve members are required to complete ten weeks of basic training, then report one weekend a month, and then for 2 full weeks a year.
Imagine having a boxer decide how much training his opponent is allowed to have.
Russia can’t muster anything like that in any quality.
Russia agrees to do fucking nothing and backtrack on whatever they agree to whenever it suits them.
Total fucking failure if Russia gets a win. They are terrorists.
Why would they even agree to cap their army? That seems stupid.
Sign whatever and then ignore it. We know magamerika and russia will never keep their word
even now in war time they are only at 850k.
I don’t think Ukraine will be able maintain such a big army during peace time anyways so 800k seems like a fair compromise
Zelensky is bluffing. Putin will never accept an amended agreement. But this makes Zelensky sound humble and cooperative to Trump.
Now this turns Trump’s sentiment back against Putin.
It’s like babysitting a toddler,
The only reason Putin wants to negotiate is because he knows he is losing.
We will not accept 800,000!
-Okay. How about 1,000,000?
They could even agree to 200k in peacetime, and when Russia has fucked off, they handle this like Russia did with the Budapest agreements.
i’ll be investing in the ukrainian police uniform supplier
why would any country with an aggressive neighbor ever agree to cap their military?
800k should be enough. It would cover roughly 4 million Russian casualties, based on the recently estimated Ukrainian 5:1 kill-to-death ratio.
But it’s irrelevant anyway, since Russia won’t change course. This is mainly about maintaining the usual and current “agree with the last person that the orange toddler talked to” pattern.
Peace time army I hope
Until Russia itself is the engaged in direct Peace Talks and Plans ….this point of Ukraine Military size is just NOISE.
In four years of War…………..Ukraine must be recognized as a major Military force in Europe and the most honest broker of its peoples’s [***Sovereignty***](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=a52577f178443ecc&rlz=1C1SQJL_enUS929US929&sxsrf=AE3TifMf8I63yRnGq2OVNfVlQtWcNfLzCw:1764092203362&q=Sovereignty&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQpYfJ642RAxVsATQIHaBvMRAQkeECKAB6BAgXEAE).
Why don’t we have the same expectation of russia ffs ..
Ukraine right now is 900k strong and is struggling to sustain that amount. Besides, Ukraine cant reasonably stand that many in peacetime. At best its 300k and when it comes to war again, the cap will be thrown out the window.
[https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/russia-ukraine-us-peace-plan-kremlin-f144d498?st=oJ1Wnj](https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/russia-ukraine-us-peace-plan-kremlin-f144d498?st=oJ1Wnj)