if reform did not have double standards, they would have no standards at all.
IsyABM on
Good. University has become a tax trap for many naive youngsters.
Let’s not pretend oversaturation of degrees isn’t a thing.
Unless there’s good guidance in place, people just end up with poor prospects post-graduation in comparison to those who get into work earlier through apprenticeships.
University is great if there’s a clear justification for it. But it’s too expensive to justify for some now and I regret going.
Impressive-Bird-6085 on
It states in the article that Zia Yusuf is one of Reform UK’s top brass…. Given its so early in the morning, I misread it as *Top Brat*! However, given how I believe he comes across as so self-entitled, and politically self-righteous, I may not be wrong.
Lammtarra95 on
Recently I saw a decades old advert for bank staff, offering prospects up to branch manager (and that shows its age). 5 O-levels (or GCSEs in today’s world).
That’s the problem. We’ve got graduates doing jobs that used to be done by people with A-levels and before that by people with GCSEs.
In effect, we’ve increased the school leaving age from 16 to 21, saddled a load of people with tens of thousands of pounds of debt, and increased immigration to fill jobs because our own kids are spending an extra 3 to 6 years in education.
darthmoo on
I do think too much emphasis in the UK is put on going to university, rather than apprenticeships or vocational education.
We don’t need thousands of people going to university to get degrees in art and media studies… I know that’s probably an unpopular opinion and I’m sorry but that’s just being pragmatic. We need people with degrees in science, technology, engineering, maths, medicine, business, economics, etc. not thousands of students every year coming out of further education with BAs in music and drama.
Unless you want to apply for a specific job that has a degree as an entry requirement, you’re probably better off applying for an apprenticeship. We also are in desperate need of builders, plumbers, electricians, etc. and these can be very well paid jobs.
Also some jobs that used to involve a lot more vocational education and “learning on the job” now unnecessarily require degrees, like becoming a paramedic for example.
I think successive governments are starting to realise this anyway. In the 90s and early 00s the Blair government had a big push to get 50% of people into university but more recently governments are trying to promote alternatives.
Madness_Quotient on
We effectively have people taking on debt and speculating on their future career by taking a degree. Similar to someone taking on debt to gamble on the stock market, except their employment prospects are the stock. and when the gambles don’t pay off the state ends up with the debt.
Employers who benefit from higher education directly should be on the hook for.paying for it. not individuals nor the state.
Its rather funny that a Reform politician can look at the same problem and recognise that the debt is an issue and yet somehow manage to communicate the issue in the way that makes them sound the most like a prick. to threaten to pull up the ladder without first building stairs.
I would shift all student debt onto employers, and simultaneously create vocational but degree level recognised higher education programs that are cheaper to run by merit of all the on job training provided by an employer being recorded and assessed and credited in place of classroom tuition.
end result less demand for degrees, elimination of student debt, no opportunity loss for young people.
Realistic-River-1941 on
This strikes me as one of those things that will upset people who would never vote for Reform anyway, but will appeal to those who might.
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if reform did not have double standards, they would have no standards at all.
Good. University has become a tax trap for many naive youngsters.
Let’s not pretend oversaturation of degrees isn’t a thing.
Unless there’s good guidance in place, people just end up with poor prospects post-graduation in comparison to those who get into work earlier through apprenticeships.
University is great if there’s a clear justification for it. But it’s too expensive to justify for some now and I regret going.
It states in the article that Zia Yusuf is one of Reform UK’s top brass…. Given its so early in the morning, I misread it as *Top Brat*! However, given how I believe he comes across as so self-entitled, and politically self-righteous, I may not be wrong.
Recently I saw a decades old advert for bank staff, offering prospects up to branch manager (and that shows its age). 5 O-levels (or GCSEs in today’s world).
That’s the problem. We’ve got graduates doing jobs that used to be done by people with A-levels and before that by people with GCSEs.
In effect, we’ve increased the school leaving age from 16 to 21, saddled a load of people with tens of thousands of pounds of debt, and increased immigration to fill jobs because our own kids are spending an extra 3 to 6 years in education.
I do think too much emphasis in the UK is put on going to university, rather than apprenticeships or vocational education.
We don’t need thousands of people going to university to get degrees in art and media studies… I know that’s probably an unpopular opinion and I’m sorry but that’s just being pragmatic. We need people with degrees in science, technology, engineering, maths, medicine, business, economics, etc. not thousands of students every year coming out of further education with BAs in music and drama.
Unless you want to apply for a specific job that has a degree as an entry requirement, you’re probably better off applying for an apprenticeship. We also are in desperate need of builders, plumbers, electricians, etc. and these can be very well paid jobs.
Also some jobs that used to involve a lot more vocational education and “learning on the job” now unnecessarily require degrees, like becoming a paramedic for example.
I think successive governments are starting to realise this anyway. In the 90s and early 00s the Blair government had a big push to get 50% of people into university but more recently governments are trying to promote alternatives.
We effectively have people taking on debt and speculating on their future career by taking a degree. Similar to someone taking on debt to gamble on the stock market, except their employment prospects are the stock. and when the gambles don’t pay off the state ends up with the debt.
Employers who benefit from higher education directly should be on the hook for.paying for it. not individuals nor the state.
Its rather funny that a Reform politician can look at the same problem and recognise that the debt is an issue and yet somehow manage to communicate the issue in the way that makes them sound the most like a prick. to threaten to pull up the ladder without first building stairs.
I would shift all student debt onto employers, and simultaneously create vocational but degree level recognised higher education programs that are cheaper to run by merit of all the on job training provided by an employer being recorded and assessed and credited in place of classroom tuition.
end result less demand for degrees, elimination of student debt, no opportunity loss for young people.
This strikes me as one of those things that will upset people who would never vote for Reform anyway, but will appeal to those who might.