Ogni volta che dico che vengo dalla Svizzera, è SEMPRE la stessa cosa. Le persone mi dicono che vogliono venire a vivere qui.
Chiedono dello stipendio, dei soldi, di quanto guadagni, bla-bla-bla.
Non chiedono ASSOLUTAMENTE NIENTE sulla cultura, mai.
E poi arrivano e si lamentano che non riescono a integrarsi e non sanno perché.
Ho incontrato RARAMENTE persone che arrivavano in Svizzera e mi chiedevano informazioni su escursioni, sci, montagna, feste tipiche, cibo e altro.
Sono stanco. Non siamo solo un paese ricco dal punto di vista economico, abbiamo la nostra cultura (e ogni cantone ha le sue cose tipiche) ed è bellissima.
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Sir this is a Wendy’s
easy to say when you grow up here. of course people ask about financials when they are from a country earning only 30% of the salary. a spanish guy maybe doesn’t really care a lot about hiking, skiing and fondue and is more career focused. thats completely normal
It probably depends on who you talk with? People I talk to about Switzerland tend to ask about salary and prices, but as a comparison to what they’re used to, not because they want to come here. (Had many fun conversations with people going “wait this is a *small* salary?” and right after that “health insurance is *how much*?!”)
And they also tend to ask about typical food, what we respectively do for fun, how annoying the neighbours are allowed to be, etc.
let’s get u to bed, big guy
A Starbucks barista in Zurich working 40hrs per week makes more than a manager at Deloitte working 55hrs per week in Madrid. That’s why they focus on that.
I know it’s annoying but the culture is also amazing in a lot of other places. The opportunity for creating financial stability is the key difference.
people search for a better live and ask for ways to get it? no way.
sure peoples from switzerland are not a moving wallet, but this is the plattform for this kind of questions nothing to wonder about. just enjoy life and eat some aromat chips and chill with a fonue in the warm overexpensive flat.
Sad violin… Here take a banknote to wipe your tears 🙂
How disconnected could you be not to understand most people are surviving and trying to find a way out of the grind. You are lucky we get it.
When you are killing yourself for a crappy salary, it’s hard to focus on skiing seriously, who cares about your 2 planks on the snow.
I came for the money, if it was for the culture I would have stayed in Japan or China man…
Even if you speak the language, integration is still extremely hard, bc the culture is very isolating
As an immigrant, the only thing I can tell you is that it’s human to want a better life.
And you are correct to say people should care about their destination land and immigration suggest that there are some part of yourself you may have to abandon. You can’t expect to be the same with just more money.
Nevertheless what you feel is not a Swiss specifity. Have immigrants thought about German work culture before moving there ? Have immigrants cared about French secularism before moving there ?
No and no.
Your frustration is rightfull, nevertheless you somehow frustrated because you are on the lucky side of the story.
Internet is full of advertising saying how much CH is awesome (payed by employers corporations) in order to attract workforce. We cannot expect anything else unfortunately.
I married a swiss and am now father of swiss children, i am active association, I know very well history of the country and my Canton etc… Nevertheless I still have difficulties to make friends, this isnot only Switzerland but the world we are living in at the moment.
” Im tired of people wanting to come to switzerland ” …. proceeds to post a highly edited photo of a gorgeous swiss landscape with UV-Filter usw. Sure buddy. Look at you showing off you’re from a beautiful country. (p.s. i live here too.. stop complaining)
Do you prefer getting back to being a poor rural country on the outskirt of Europe in early 1900x?
Literally every country experiences this. Germans are equated with the Oktoberfest, French with food.
People understandably only have stereotypes to go by if they’ve never spent time in your country. What else should they ask about? How the traffic is in Switzerland, or if trash pickup comes once a week or twice?
What culture, eating stinky cheese and speaking incomprehensible dialects?
Dont worry, we already know the culture is shit
I feel like we would get along well 😀. We moved to Switzerland 4 years ago and we love it and not for the salaries we earn here (they are the 4-5th on our list).
The nature, the trails are awesome, we love the cows, black nose sheeps and the friendly people.
I feel sorry for those foreigners who do not recognize it, but I agree with you that many just come save up and live…
French here.
When I traveled to Morocco with my parents a guy came to my dad saying “hi my friend *chit chat* and now that we’re friends you’ll help me go to France with you*.
This is everywhere. I’m pretty sure a Malian could ask something similar to a Moroccan, and so on.
Switzerland is not so far from the top of this disposable income pyramid (more important that revenue imo).
Yet I make sure to not get onto this topic meeting Swiss folks (happened a couple times, got a friend living in Mulhouse near Basel and I visited him).
I absolute get how annoying it can be, so instead of chatting about how much they make we chat about food, that raclette and fondue are French and not Swiss, about nice landscapes, beautiful cities and lakes, F35 street runways and how many 3rd pillars they have (/s).
All the thinks you talk about can be researched in like 20 minutes.
To be fair I‘d say a lot Swiss care about money first. Every thing else you mentioned is not even a close second.
One thing that comes to mid are people leaving their precious hometown for a place with lower taxes.
People know that Switzerland is beautiful and expensive. So there is no need to ask how beautiful Switzerland is. The question really is if you can afford to move here. So kind of makes sense to ask how much your earn.
*”I’m tired of people wanting a better life. Cant they stay miserable in their own land?”*
I go to Switzerland for the nature, to experience the difference in culture and feel between the different cities and for the beautiful scenery. Mostly it is young people who go somewhere on vacation, and they link that feeling with the location. They think their lives will be just like it was when they were there on vacation. I was like that too. Once people mature, they will see it. I’m happy in my country, but I will keep coming to Switzerland to have a good time.
>hiking, ski, mountain, typical parties, food and something else
Yeah that’s culture for you? Totally irrelevant for the hundreds of thousands of us that live in the flachland. Be real, the greatest thing about this country are the salaries, which becomes pointless real quick because everything else is becoming stupidly expensive.
Whatever you consider culture is much more regional than it is national. Or do you play your Alphorn in the morning after hiking up to work and have some Älplermagrone for Lunch?
I know so many people who live seasonally in the Mountains, Specifically because of ski. So it sounds like you don’t talk to enough people. That is not to say that people don’t intergrate, it seems like that bar is different for everyone and for some people nothing short of just being swiss will do.
It’s same in my home country, people, usually xenophobes, flap their gums about intergration, I would have thought that people who arrive, learn a language, find work, pay rent, pay bills, pay tax and stopped flushing their toilet or having fun at home after 10pm are giving as much to society as those who do that but also watch the occassional cow fights, wear masks and throw garbage at people during carneval and go to church every sunday.
Here’s the thing: Money _is_ the culture.
Danish guy living in Switzerland and I’m practically 50% Rivella 50% Aromat at this point. I’m also turning more Bünzli than most of my Swiss friends.
You Swiss are not that hard to befriend, honestly. Just be polite, keep a dry humor, and take the initiative to invite people out for a coffee. Probably helps that Danes are somewhat identical.
I agree, these people are annoying
Bro, it’s not even about Switzerland. They could put 10k Europeans in Antarctica and 40 year later they wanna come here.
Come on grandpa, please take your meds
to be honest Swiss culture isn’t that much compared to Spanish, Italian or other cultures….. and with an isolated culture you can’t do mich integration but work your ass off when in Switzerland….
and the last main point: you need those people to come to Switzerland.
I am one of the immigrants who came and assimilated somewhat (I work for a Swiss company and have a Swiss partner, communicate with both almost exclusively in a Swiss language, and quite often go to local events). I don’t get the appeal of expat bubble life – the whole point of life is to participate in the world around you.
So anyway: please tell me about your favourite mountain / traditional food / event / etc. If it’s not too far away I’ll go and visit / eat it sometime!