I fail to see the need for a women’s conference in the first place to be honest. It is politics. It affects everyone anyway. Just like I would not see a reason to host a men’s conference.
Sure there are topics that affect one gender more than the other so I get why they would want female speakers , but they should at least allow everyone to hear all talks, whether or not they are male or female.
Professional-Air2123 on
Even if UK ever wanted to rejoin EU it wouldn’t ve allowed to do it with its blatant humanrights violations, it would need to start giving people equal rights back. Funny how well brexit worked out for the rightwing. Like it was intended, of course.
Evestrogen on
I’m bleakly impressed that the UK managed to draft the Equality Act 2010 and Gender Recognition Act 2004 so badly. Regardless of how anyone feels about trans inclusion now, I think the current situation is very obviously the opposite to the one intended by Parliament, Ministers, and drafters at the time.
To my reading, a lot of the drafting materials (e.g
Discrimination Law Review) from the time make it very obvious that the intention was to allow inclusion of trans people in their lived sex (as had been happening for decades) and domestically implement EU anti-discrimination directives in a way that was consistent with CJEU case law on gender reassignment. Lady Hale identified that “a trans person is to be regarded as having the sexual identity of the gender to which he or she has been reassigned” for the purposes of anti-discrimination directives as early as 2004 in *A v Chief Constable of West Yorkshire Police*.
When it comes to trans people that have gone through a formal gender recognition process, I feel it’s even more obvious that Parliament didn’t intend the GRA 2004 to lead to this. Hansard records and drafting materials show very clearly that Parliament intended to change the sex of trans people in law for the purposes of sex discrimination, equal pay, etc. It aimed to avoid trans people existing in the unacceptable intermediary zone identified by the ECtHR in *Goodwin/I v UK*. The idea that they’d silently reverse that a few years later while claiming to do the opposite seems a bit ridiculous to me.
Somehow, the UK managed to draft the two Acts so strangely that it’s led to the Supreme Court applying their arcane, overly textual version of statutory interpretation in a way that flips things on their head. I don’t think Brexit helped because, to my mind, the UK tended to rely on purposive interpretation of EU law and CJEU referrals to get around self-made messes like this.
sebastos3 on
How is this even going to enforced? Are they going to transvestigate every attendee? If they do, they are probably going to end up rejecting butch looking cis women, while allowing trans women who pass. Man, what a shitshow…
Ninevehenian on
I will stand and fall with those abused. Partially because it seems that transgendered people are being singled out because they are not many enough to defend themselves from organized ostracizing.
Labour is in the wrong here, they are being unkind and not respecting the point that it does no damage to let people attend or the point that living as a woman may need political representation. The discrimination serves no purpose. It does nobody any good. It is cruelty and it turns its back on people who are in dire need of solidarity.
_-PassingThrough-_ on
I don’t see the point of this. It’s not like trans women are men pretending to identify as women solely so they can prey on them. They genuinely feel they are that gender, it should be harmless to allow them admittance. This feels like unnecessary political exclusion.
Tibbles_thecat on
So trans men welcome then? How’s this supposed to work??? what a bunch of twats.
Sriber on
Labour is a joke.
Calcutec_1 on
Wtf is UKs problem with trans people??
Nuclear-Jester on
“We fucking hate being in charge and we are doing everything in our power to lose even more support!”
lizzy_tachibana on
With all my due respect, I wish either Greens or even ~~Corbynite~~ (nevermind that one i didn’t know theit scandals) some other party to replace Labour as the main left British party. I am sick of parties calling themselves left going socially conservative like that
Dragonbutcrocodile on
genuinely why is UK so obsessed with sex segregation
Tricky-Gemstone on
Fuck you, Joanne.
Top-Art2840 on
“Trans women”, what da F has happened to humane race that we even have to discuss about this kind of bs.
Different_Lunch_4094 on
I won’t shed a single tear for these corrupt bastards when Reform wins…
the_gnarts on
> It follows a legal review into how the event should operate after the Supreme Court ruled in April that a woman is defined by biological sex under equalities legislation.
Wait what, since when does some court get to decide how a
political party runs its conferences? It’s Labour’s conference
so they get to make the rules who gets to participate; if it were
a government conference then maybe some court might get
a say, but it ain’t.
Falsus on
Labour had such a free fucking goal after being given power for free after *decades* of Tories being incompetent idiots and they take that chance and go ”bet” as they follow them on the path of idiocy.
ivilnachoman on
Most on the left are not sick of this view labour has.
Boring_Clothes5233 on
Is the event exclusively for women? If so, that eliminates men.
No_Advisor5815 on
europe is healing
MT_Promises on
Is there a Men’s Labor Conference, it’s like the 3rd world in the UK.
akejavel on
what in the motherfucking actual fuck
tipytopmain on
When did Trans people become such a threat to society that they’ve been so relentlessly ganged up on??
Mr_White_Coffee on
so men won’t be allowed to attend, what’s the fuss about?
recaffeinated on
Wild how fascist the supposedly left wing party in Britain has become.
Bicentennial_Douche on
It’s weird how the Labour Party is pivoting so hard towards far-right talking points.
undeadhulk007 on
we need all trans men to go there!!!! pls we as the trans community need it.
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I fail to see the need for a women’s conference in the first place to be honest. It is politics. It affects everyone anyway. Just like I would not see a reason to host a men’s conference.
Sure there are topics that affect one gender more than the other so I get why they would want female speakers , but they should at least allow everyone to hear all talks, whether or not they are male or female.
Even if UK ever wanted to rejoin EU it wouldn’t ve allowed to do it with its blatant humanrights violations, it would need to start giving people equal rights back. Funny how well brexit worked out for the rightwing. Like it was intended, of course.
I’m bleakly impressed that the UK managed to draft the Equality Act 2010 and Gender Recognition Act 2004 so badly. Regardless of how anyone feels about trans inclusion now, I think the current situation is very obviously the opposite to the one intended by Parliament, Ministers, and drafters at the time.
To my reading, a lot of the drafting materials (e.g
Discrimination Law Review) from the time make it very obvious that the intention was to allow inclusion of trans people in their lived sex (as had been happening for decades) and domestically implement EU anti-discrimination directives in a way that was consistent with CJEU case law on gender reassignment. Lady Hale identified that “a trans person is to be regarded as having the sexual identity of the gender to which he or she has been reassigned” for the purposes of anti-discrimination directives as early as 2004 in *A v Chief Constable of West Yorkshire Police*.
When it comes to trans people that have gone through a formal gender recognition process, I feel it’s even more obvious that Parliament didn’t intend the GRA 2004 to lead to this. Hansard records and drafting materials show very clearly that Parliament intended to change the sex of trans people in law for the purposes of sex discrimination, equal pay, etc. It aimed to avoid trans people existing in the unacceptable intermediary zone identified by the ECtHR in *Goodwin/I v UK*. The idea that they’d silently reverse that a few years later while claiming to do the opposite seems a bit ridiculous to me.
Somehow, the UK managed to draft the two Acts so strangely that it’s led to the Supreme Court applying their arcane, overly textual version of statutory interpretation in a way that flips things on their head. I don’t think Brexit helped because, to my mind, the UK tended to rely on purposive interpretation of EU law and CJEU referrals to get around self-made messes like this.
How is this even going to enforced? Are they going to transvestigate every attendee? If they do, they are probably going to end up rejecting butch looking cis women, while allowing trans women who pass. Man, what a shitshow…
I will stand and fall with those abused. Partially because it seems that transgendered people are being singled out because they are not many enough to defend themselves from organized ostracizing.
Labour is in the wrong here, they are being unkind and not respecting the point that it does no damage to let people attend or the point that living as a woman may need political representation. The discrimination serves no purpose. It does nobody any good. It is cruelty and it turns its back on people who are in dire need of solidarity.
I don’t see the point of this. It’s not like trans women are men pretending to identify as women solely so they can prey on them. They genuinely feel they are that gender, it should be harmless to allow them admittance. This feels like unnecessary political exclusion.
So trans men welcome then? How’s this supposed to work??? what a bunch of twats.
Labour is a joke.
Wtf is UKs problem with trans people??
“We fucking hate being in charge and we are doing everything in our power to lose even more support!”
With all my due respect, I wish either Greens or even ~~Corbynite~~ (nevermind that one i didn’t know theit scandals) some other party to replace Labour as the main left British party. I am sick of parties calling themselves left going socially conservative like that
genuinely why is UK so obsessed with sex segregation
Fuck you, Joanne.
“Trans women”, what da F has happened to humane race that we even have to discuss about this kind of bs.
I won’t shed a single tear for these corrupt bastards when Reform wins…
> It follows a legal review into how the event should operate after the Supreme Court ruled in April that a woman is defined by biological sex under equalities legislation.
Wait what, since when does some court get to decide how a
political party runs its conferences? It’s Labour’s conference
so they get to make the rules who gets to participate; if it were
a government conference then maybe some court might get
a say, but it ain’t.
Labour had such a free fucking goal after being given power for free after *decades* of Tories being incompetent idiots and they take that chance and go ”bet” as they follow them on the path of idiocy.
Most on the left are not sick of this view labour has.
Is the event exclusively for women? If so, that eliminates men.
europe is healing
Is there a Men’s Labor Conference, it’s like the 3rd world in the UK.
what in the motherfucking actual fuck
When did Trans people become such a threat to society that they’ve been so relentlessly ganged up on??
so men won’t be allowed to attend, what’s the fuss about?
Wild how fascist the supposedly left wing party in Britain has become.
It’s weird how the Labour Party is pivoting so hard towards far-right talking points.
we need all trans men to go there!!!! pls we as the trans community need it.
can’t believe they keep stooping lower