However, once again she seems to be demonstrating her complete lack of strategic political thinking. The party currently has very little image in the public other than chaos and in fighting. It’s so important that it becomes associated with popular policy positions. The last thing they need is for ‘referendum on the Monarchy’ to become seen as a major part of the party’s image.
LycanIndarys on
>A recent YouGov poll found that 62% of the British public believe the UK should continue to have a monarchy rather than move to an elected head of state.
>One in four respondents backed Ms Sultana’s position, while 14% said they had no opinion.
Fair play to the article for mentioning this bit.
It doesn’t really matter if Sultana is right; the public don’t agree. They are happy with the current setup, or at least aren’t that bothered with it.
And this is despite the hit their reputation has taken thanks to ~~Prince~~ Andrew, and the fact that Chuck isn’t as popular as Lizzie was.
Inevitable_Driver291 on
Ah watching her demise is amusing. Mind no doubt she’s going slow on that £800k so she can pocket the interest, and she also said she will keep some for “costs” I note. So I’m sure she’ll take nice wad of cash before she’s cast out of the political system.
RaymondBumcheese on
As much as we should, there’s just no point. There are far more people who actively want them than actively don’t but both groups are eclipsed by the ‘I don’t care, they are fine I guess?’ demographic.
True-Abalone-3380 on
One common thing I’ve noticed amongst a fair chunk of the anti-monarchists is they have never dealt with them and have scant idea of what they actually do.
It’s very much an “eat the rich” mob mentality because what they do hasn’t directly affected them is therefore pointless.
peareauxThoughts on
I’d rather a monarchy with liberty than the kind of “democratic” totalitarian society Sultana wants.
BambooSound on
I’d rather we spent the time and money on infrastructure.
Martinonfire on
I’m not entirely convinced she would have been happy with a President Boris or Thatcher or Blair etc etc but hey if thats one of her core principles then good luck to her.
Coupaholic_ on
There’s other things to be concerned about right now.
Open-Difference5534 on
Sultana & Corbyn, the “Fruit & Nut” party?
Aside from anything, a politician “demanding” anything shows how little she knows about the Parliamentary system in the UK.
Thorazine_Chaser on
The ONLY public position that she should have on this topic is “there are far more important things to concern ourselves with at the moment”.
Everyone is watching and waiting for Your Party to rip itself apart on some fringe position that the average person doesn’t think about one bit. Great to see her getting a head start.
trevstan1 on
When did we get a referendum on whether we wanted mass immigration into the UK. Did I miss it?
Heavy_Row_6776 on
I demand that we have a referendum on getting rid of Zarah Sultana
rumdiary on
Yah that’ll make you popular; propose to end the second most favourably viewed institution in the country after the NHS 😅
I’m super lefty but oh my god
SpicyAfrican on
Her being kicked out of Labour has meant she’s free to host the Zarah Sultana show where she can spout teenage political ideologies. I’m opposed to a monarchy, in principle, but so long as the monarchy benefits the UK more than it doesn’t I don’t have a strong need to call for their abolishment other than “I don’t like kings and queens”. They’re symbolic, they do have some power (more than we’re led to believe, recent news stories revealed) but are otherwise not totally harmful and are economically advantageous.
I say that to say we have bigger issues in this country right now and, if she were smart, she wouldn’t waste her 15 minutes on abolishing the monarchy or nationalising the economy, but on pressing actual tangible issues that we have today. She’s arrogantly scoring so many own goals and making the left-wing look batshit insane and being smug while doing it. This country needs a competent left-wing arm, if not to win elections at least to balance the scales, so we don’t steer too hard to the right which we are at genuine risk of. She is totally failing to read the room, just like Corbyn did. We couldn’t get another Brexit referendum, Scotland can’t get another independence referendum, and frankly people are sick of elections and referendums. Should we really be talking about having one about the monarchy?
Counterpoint-4 on
The monarchy is the status quo in Britain – it’s not perfect but we prefer it. The left wing is all about socialist perfection and will stand on their morality to such an extent that they always split into factions. She needs to be appealing to middle Britain if they want to be elected rather than indulging themselves.
AttitudeSimilar9347 on
I demand a referendum on foreign nationals participating in our political processes, how about that
stick1_ on
It’s unintelligent to ask for it right now, better option is to campaign in ways that will slowly shift the public’s opinion just like euroskepticism for 20 years. I’m for a republic in this country too, and I’m positive that with the right campaigning we can get a referendum in 20 years, but now is not the time
Christian-Metal on
I much prefer a Constitutional Monarchy such as we already have, as opposed to an elected head of state. As a lover of democracy, this may at first be an odd statement to read.
But our current system, in the whole, works fine, and the fact we have an impartial and non political head of state works wonders for us both at home and abroad. With a free press, there is still accountability and the royal family are not beyond reproach, as we have seen constantly over the past few decades and with the ongoing saga that the useless (putting it mildly) Prince Andrew brings.
Imagine having a populist left or right leader as our head of state, like Farage or Polanski. The very thought makes me shudder.
Able_Resident_1291 on
“demands” and “insists” when “said” would probably have been more accurate.
ironmaway on
I’m all for the conversation, but strategically, it feels like a distraction when there are so many immediate crises to tackle. The polling shows the public just isn’t there yet, especially with the current political climate. Better to focus on building trust with popular policies first.
Visa5e on
A completely pointless exercise that will do nothing to solve the problems facing this country.
But enough about ‘Your Party’…..
Seriously, there is no aspect of being a monarchy that stands in the way of solving the problems we face.
rumdiary on
You know how Nigel Farage wants to destroy the NHS but he’s intelligent enough NEVER to say it out loud?
Yeah damn Zarah, although I don’t disagree, this is not how you get elected
Sam_and_Linny on
Maybe a referendum on EU membership first, something that might actually help the British economy
yubnubster on
I’m fairly indifferent as far as the monarchy goes, but there are plenty of other aspects of our constitutional framework, that I’d consider a bit more in need of reform (small r).
Besides, I have a sneaky suspicion she knows a referendum on abolishing the monarchy would likely fail. This strikes me as performative.
Sellswordinthegrove on
I’d rather have a referendum on undoing the shit show that is Brexit
Thenedslittlegirl on
I’m a republican in a sort of ambivalent way but I recognise there’s absolutely no chance a majority of people in the UK would vote to get rid of the monarchy. So holding a referendum would be a pointless waste of money that could better be spent supporting people in the ways an actual left wing party says they want to support people
twilighttwister on
More and more Sultana seems like some sort of planted instigator whose sole purpose is to discredit the left from within.
KingOfPomerania on
Is this really a priority right now? It just smacks of the kind of rubbish you’d hear in some posh ideological seminar while people are struggling to get to put food on the table outside.
Sir_Henry_Deadman on
Bold, probably due but absolutely not the right time especially when trying to establish a new party
Trying to be the left-wing version of reform isn’t going to work
People want stability and Safety not turmoil
Now should monarchy wind down yes
But I think in 2066 with William on the throne
1000 years of monarchy starting and ending with William would be poetic
Front_Mention on
If the monarchy is fhe will of the people why should t we have a vote on if we keep them? We havent had a vote on it and we are meant to be a democracy
jodrellbank_pants on
I’m no royalist whatsoever ever, but the idea of a republic is even worse.
Just give the royals buck palace and the estate in Scotland if the Scots let them have it if course, everything else gets looked after by royalist volunteers or back to the state of their not interested.
un_happy_gilmore on
Let’s get a referendum on legalising cannabis while we’re at it
harryhardy432 on
Quite liked her in Labour as a lefty. But now I’m seeing her rants on Ukraine and pointless menial conversation about stuff like this and it turns me off her. Why not talk about actual pressing issues that socialists like me give a fuck about? Like rising cost of living, or the increase in alienation of trans people, or the rise of the far right, or literally anything that’s wrong in this country? You could even put up a dartboard with issues on it and blindly throw a dart and you’d make more meaningful statements than Zarah is right now
At least Corbyn isn’t constantly talking like she is.
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I’m a republican so I’m sympathetic to the idea.
However, once again she seems to be demonstrating her complete lack of strategic political thinking. The party currently has very little image in the public other than chaos and in fighting. It’s so important that it becomes associated with popular policy positions. The last thing they need is for ‘referendum on the Monarchy’ to become seen as a major part of the party’s image.
>A recent YouGov poll found that 62% of the British public believe the UK should continue to have a monarchy rather than move to an elected head of state.
>One in four respondents backed Ms Sultana’s position, while 14% said they had no opinion.
Fair play to the article for mentioning this bit.
It doesn’t really matter if Sultana is right; the public don’t agree. They are happy with the current setup, or at least aren’t that bothered with it.
And this is despite the hit their reputation has taken thanks to ~~Prince~~ Andrew, and the fact that Chuck isn’t as popular as Lizzie was.
Ah watching her demise is amusing. Mind no doubt she’s going slow on that £800k so she can pocket the interest, and she also said she will keep some for “costs” I note. So I’m sure she’ll take nice wad of cash before she’s cast out of the political system.
As much as we should, there’s just no point. There are far more people who actively want them than actively don’t but both groups are eclipsed by the ‘I don’t care, they are fine I guess?’ demographic.
One common thing I’ve noticed amongst a fair chunk of the anti-monarchists is they have never dealt with them and have scant idea of what they actually do.
It’s very much an “eat the rich” mob mentality because what they do hasn’t directly affected them is therefore pointless.
I’d rather a monarchy with liberty than the kind of “democratic” totalitarian society Sultana wants.
I’d rather we spent the time and money on infrastructure.
I’m not entirely convinced she would have been happy with a President Boris or Thatcher or Blair etc etc but hey if thats one of her core principles then good luck to her.
There’s other things to be concerned about right now.
Sultana & Corbyn, the “Fruit & Nut” party?
Aside from anything, a politician “demanding” anything shows how little she knows about the Parliamentary system in the UK.
The ONLY public position that she should have on this topic is “there are far more important things to concern ourselves with at the moment”.
Everyone is watching and waiting for Your Party to rip itself apart on some fringe position that the average person doesn’t think about one bit. Great to see her getting a head start.
When did we get a referendum on whether we wanted mass immigration into the UK. Did I miss it?
I demand that we have a referendum on getting rid of Zarah Sultana
Yah that’ll make you popular; propose to end the second most favourably viewed institution in the country after the NHS 😅
I’m super lefty but oh my god
Her being kicked out of Labour has meant she’s free to host the Zarah Sultana show where she can spout teenage political ideologies. I’m opposed to a monarchy, in principle, but so long as the monarchy benefits the UK more than it doesn’t I don’t have a strong need to call for their abolishment other than “I don’t like kings and queens”. They’re symbolic, they do have some power (more than we’re led to believe, recent news stories revealed) but are otherwise not totally harmful and are economically advantageous.
I say that to say we have bigger issues in this country right now and, if she were smart, she wouldn’t waste her 15 minutes on abolishing the monarchy or nationalising the economy, but on pressing actual tangible issues that we have today. She’s arrogantly scoring so many own goals and making the left-wing look batshit insane and being smug while doing it. This country needs a competent left-wing arm, if not to win elections at least to balance the scales, so we don’t steer too hard to the right which we are at genuine risk of. She is totally failing to read the room, just like Corbyn did. We couldn’t get another Brexit referendum, Scotland can’t get another independence referendum, and frankly people are sick of elections and referendums. Should we really be talking about having one about the monarchy?
The monarchy is the status quo in Britain – it’s not perfect but we prefer it. The left wing is all about socialist perfection and will stand on their morality to such an extent that they always split into factions. She needs to be appealing to middle Britain if they want to be elected rather than indulging themselves.
I demand a referendum on foreign nationals participating in our political processes, how about that
It’s unintelligent to ask for it right now, better option is to campaign in ways that will slowly shift the public’s opinion just like euroskepticism for 20 years. I’m for a republic in this country too, and I’m positive that with the right campaigning we can get a referendum in 20 years, but now is not the time
I much prefer a Constitutional Monarchy such as we already have, as opposed to an elected head of state. As a lover of democracy, this may at first be an odd statement to read.
But our current system, in the whole, works fine, and the fact we have an impartial and non political head of state works wonders for us both at home and abroad. With a free press, there is still accountability and the royal family are not beyond reproach, as we have seen constantly over the past few decades and with the ongoing saga that the useless (putting it mildly) Prince Andrew brings.
Imagine having a populist left or right leader as our head of state, like Farage or Polanski. The very thought makes me shudder.
“demands” and “insists” when “said” would probably have been more accurate.
I’m all for the conversation, but strategically, it feels like a distraction when there are so many immediate crises to tackle. The polling shows the public just isn’t there yet, especially with the current political climate. Better to focus on building trust with popular policies first.
A completely pointless exercise that will do nothing to solve the problems facing this country.
But enough about ‘Your Party’…..
Seriously, there is no aspect of being a monarchy that stands in the way of solving the problems we face.
You know how Nigel Farage wants to destroy the NHS but he’s intelligent enough NEVER to say it out loud?
Yeah damn Zarah, although I don’t disagree, this is not how you get elected
Maybe a referendum on EU membership first, something that might actually help the British economy
I’m fairly indifferent as far as the monarchy goes, but there are plenty of other aspects of our constitutional framework, that I’d consider a bit more in need of reform (small r).
Besides, I have a sneaky suspicion she knows a referendum on abolishing the monarchy would likely fail. This strikes me as performative.
I’d rather have a referendum on undoing the shit show that is Brexit
I’m a republican in a sort of ambivalent way but I recognise there’s absolutely no chance a majority of people in the UK would vote to get rid of the monarchy. So holding a referendum would be a pointless waste of money that could better be spent supporting people in the ways an actual left wing party says they want to support people
More and more Sultana seems like some sort of planted instigator whose sole purpose is to discredit the left from within.
Is this really a priority right now? It just smacks of the kind of rubbish you’d hear in some posh ideological seminar while people are struggling to get to put food on the table outside.
Bold, probably due but absolutely not the right time especially when trying to establish a new party
Trying to be the left-wing version of reform isn’t going to work
People want stability and Safety not turmoil
Now should monarchy wind down yes
But I think in 2066 with William on the throne
1000 years of monarchy starting and ending with William would be poetic
If the monarchy is fhe will of the people why should t we have a vote on if we keep them? We havent had a vote on it and we are meant to be a democracy
I’m no royalist whatsoever ever, but the idea of a republic is even worse.
Just give the royals buck palace and the estate in Scotland if the Scots let them have it if course, everything else gets looked after by royalist volunteers or back to the state of their not interested.
Let’s get a referendum on legalising cannabis while we’re at it
Quite liked her in Labour as a lefty. But now I’m seeing her rants on Ukraine and pointless menial conversation about stuff like this and it turns me off her. Why not talk about actual pressing issues that socialists like me give a fuck about? Like rising cost of living, or the increase in alienation of trans people, or the rise of the far right, or literally anything that’s wrong in this country? You could even put up a dartboard with issues on it and blindly throw a dart and you’d make more meaningful statements than Zarah is right now
At least Corbyn isn’t constantly talking like she is.