Gli attivisti in lutto chiedono che i ciclisti subiscano sanzioni più severe dopo che la LBC ha registrato oltre 100 saltatori con il semaforo rosso in un’ora
https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/bereaved-families-cyclists-100-red-5HjdP89_2/
di tylerthe-theatre
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Far less than cars though and they can cause actual harm to people and property.
Article is wrong a few things….one, the speed limit for bikes is not 20mph. That’s the limit for motor vehicles. Speed limits do not apply to bicycles in the UK although you can be done for other things around dangerous cycling.
London cyclists are a different beast.
I can watch them from my office window at a busy crossing and it genuinely seems like they change their path to put pedestrians in front of them just so they can then get angry at them.
According to the [department of transport](https://www.cyclinguk.org/briefing/cycling-and-pedestrians) stats an average of 3 pedestrians a year die in collisions involving cyclists.
The figure for drivers is 409, that’s 8 a week more than twice the figure for a whole year for cyclists.
Given the state has anything but infinite resources cracking down on cyclists would seem a very poor use of those limited resources. if the aim is to make our society as safe as possible for pedestrians.
Cyclists jumping red lights may be incredibly annoying but it wouldn’t seem to be particularly dangerous.
Edit. Some posters have claimed focusing on deaths is misleading so:
138 pedestrians on average were seriously injured in collisions involving cyclists.
6545 pedestrians were injured in collisions involving drivers. Thats 124 a week, 14 short of cyclists annual average.
The crack down they should keep doing is on those, particularly delivery drivers, on illegal mopeds which the riders claim are electric bikes.
I think it’s about perceived harm and risk too.
If you are elderly or vulnerable (e.g. wheelchair / pushchair) do you really want to be running the risk of a cyclist barrelling into you when you cross the road because it’s essentially decriminalised? “They probably won’t kill you” isn’t the standard for behaviour in public spaces.
Lots of things aren’t likely to kill me on a daily basis, I would still rather people don’t spit at me, or leave their dog mess on the pavement, or play loud music at 1am.
I don’t see it as a road safety as much as a civic courtesy. Pedestrians shouldn’t have to brace for collisions in spaces designed for them.
To say “I’m not likely to kill someone, so it’s okay” is the same as a dog owner saying they can get let their dog poo wherever because the rain will wash it away. It misses the point that it’s about respect for shared spaces, not killing people.
What we really need to do is segregate cycling infrastructure from cars, and give it priority over pedestrians and cars.
It may be unpopular, but if we make it better bad less stop start they’ll be a lot less infractions and disregard for others. The Dutch did it and they have far better outcomes than we do.
Cars have no real place in a city like London anyway.
people argue that cyclists are safer so enforcement for traffic violations like red lights and pavement cycling should be relaxed forget that red lights also protect cyclists from injuring themselves. the amount of times I have seen cyclists jump a red light and nearly collide with a vehicle at a junction is amazingly high.
we fine drivers for not wearing seatbelts when they are only endangering themselves why not the same for cyclists
Every 10milion times a cyclist jumps a red light someone stubs their toe. It’s a crisis!
An Idaho stop style law in the UK where cyclists can treat a red light like a stop sign would actually be great in the UK. The risks of a bike going through a red light are very low in the most part. Reckless cycling should be punished and cutting through a red when there’s traffic coming would be covered by such a law.
The right wing press would go into meltdown if it was proposed though
What the article is addressing is an example of where a pedestrian who stepped into the road without looking died from her injuries nearly two months later, and the cyclist was never charged. This is exactly the same treatment a cyclist would have received if killed by a car driver, and is a common theme. When Kim Briggs was killed Charlie Aliston went to prison. The law was changed afterwards and now cyclists can be given the same sentences as drivers for causing death by dangerous cycling. Given drivers regularly walk free from court for killing the same will probably happen for cyclists.
I think motorbikes and bikes should not be allowed to weave around cars. They should be made to queue, whats this nonsense, they just make it dangerous weaving around and hugging blind spots. Fuck. Off.
Such a small proportion of people even cycle regularly at all in this country (~1.6% of journeys), given how cycling on roads can be. I really wish the infrastructure could be safe, direct & coherent, enabling everyone to consider cycling to make everyday journeys instead of it being something that “other” groups does.
It’s only then do I think it will be possible to see the actions of a questionable individual as that & not something an entire group is responsible for.
If it is only things that are bike shaped, tackling delivery riders in Illegal motorbikes (not cycles) maybe something to pursue.
Pass any law you like, but if austerity stricken police forces don’t have the resources to enforce them.
Well, not much will change.
As a cyclist, and someone whos commuted in London via bike, holy shit some of them have a death wish. Full honesty I’ll go through a red when it’s just a pedestrian crossing and there is no one there because it’s clearly safe. But the amount of people who cross like 4 lanes of traffic with headphones on, no helmet on a lime bike is insane
This really should read as London cyclists. Come to a busy traffic light near me and you won’t get a 100 cyclists nor a big chunk skipping rred lights.
Based on the reporting, Ms Griffiths stepped out in front of the cyclist without looking and they were not at fault. This woman killed herself and is being used as a culture war weapon. How sad.
I am a London cyclist. Everyday, for my commute.
I am guilty of the occasional red-light and I do realise how annoying and potentially dangerous it can be.
Most of the time though, I get off my bike and walk, bike in hand, since this makes me a pedestrian by law, which means the green-man applies to me.
I guess the key question is: did the light have dedicated pedestrian lights? Because if not, the green light releases cyclists at the most dangerous time for them – it is like it is designed to kill cyclists.
I am always hesitant about not following the rules, but when your live is at stake, I can understand why people value that.
And yeah, London cyclists are certainly a hand full.
How about we sort out every little thing people speeding in multi-tonne death machines first do wrong first, then worry about people on 15kg bikes moving more slowly Usain Bolt on a bad day.
The counter to this isn’t “We can do both!”, because we’ve not tried doing the first one yet.
Motorists kill far more but cyclists are easy to other.