This is only going to alienate them and make the situation worse.
tb5841 on
Bit of a nothing article, with no concrete plans whatsoever.
Francis-c92 on
Yep, let’s tell young boys they’re the problem and have issues they need to sort.
Did showing them all Adolescence not already sort the ‘issue’?
Dystopian_Everyday on
Ah, so the attack on school boys is to continue. No attempt the understand why this is happening, no mention of support for the boys to prevent them from being radicalised.
Let’s just put pictures of school boys in the same article that we talk about rapists and murderers because what’s the difference eh? /s
I predict this will make it easier for boys to become disillusioned and feel marginalised and lead to more misogyny not less.
emmmmmmaja on
All the people who are against that: where do you suggest we start? Prevention isn’t blame – and it precisely has to happen before there is anyone to blame.
Diligent-Flower6179 on
Hmmmmmmmmmm not sure this is smart, sounds like bait too, i call bs
Crumbs2020 on
Where were these enraged people when Prevent was targeted at Muslim schoolboys (the answers nowhere because its only bad to them if white boys are being targeted).
No-Green6859 on
Yeah, keep treating young lads like criminals in waiting before they do anything wrong. That has been working so well up to now.
Andrew Tate 2.0 is right around the corner to accept them for who they are and whisper hatred into their ears.
nymphxmoo on
Article feels like people called them out for being all talk on an issue they claimed to care about and they’ve responded with, more talk ig?
I’m super down to be proven wrong here but when I think about the abusers I’ve known in my life I can’t imagine any of them taking a “misogyny is bad” lesson with any seriousness at all.
GunstarGreen on
Domestic violence is a problem that we all acknowledge needs fixing. And simply arresting abusers isn’t preventative measures. We can also acknowledge that toxic influences is a problem. I’d rather we tried something than nothing. Its not about pointing a finger at boys and telling them that they’re violent rapists in waiting, but what’s wrong with trying to start dialogue, get them questioning what it means to “be a man”. We either try to have meaningful dialogue with these kids or let other figures fill the void. Ask any woman close to you about their worst experiences with dating apps or creepy behavior and they’ve all got a stories.
CaptainHindsight92 on
I mean this really depends on how this is all implemented. The survey mentioned that nearly 40% of teenagers had experienced abuse in a relationship. If I remember correctly that included a huge number of boys. If young people are learning about abuse, how to treat romantic and non-romantic relationships, getting out of relationships that are abusive early, that can only be a good thing. Hopefully they also teach how to navigate social media aimed at polarisation in order to gain views. The trend I see are posts aimed at cementing people on one “team” or the other. So you have some young girls making videos being nasty about young men “when he’s 5’8” “when he asks you out but he’s broke/chopped” etc and then one’s complaining about historic mysogyny. Then you have young men making videos about how “woman are superficial”, “90-10 phenomenon” justifying treating women like shit to be “dominant” and becoming an “alpha/sigma male”. But it is all cyclical, they then just use the other’s content to point to cement “team” resentment. Personally I think they should aim to normalise opposite sex friendships and humanising the other gender.
Jonn_Jonzz_Manhunter on
Not a bad idea, but of course with everything in the education sector, let’s see how long before it goes tits up!
Speaking only on the idea here, it’s a shame the education sector has to step in for the complete and utter lack of masculine identity in the 21st century. It seems that as soon as feminism redefined their own sense of worth and meaning, Men were so uninspired and lazy they couldn’t be arsed following their female counterparts in doing the same thing
I’m not sure it’ll work anyways, because stopping this sense of normalised violence against women is such a large issue that it’s pretty much everywhere you look and a course in how to respect women probably won’t make a dent
bettingto100 on
Interesting that trying to prevent schoolboys from becoming misogynists is “too much” and “unfair”, but schoolgirls are expected to just deal with what happens when they *do* start to hate women? Why do we have to coddle the gender that doesn’t experience gender-based violence but instead inflicts it?
PhyllisCaunter on
Rather than demonising young men, treating them as a problem to be targeted, maybe we could instead focus on building their self worth.
circleribbey on
Violence against women is already far more rare than violence against men and boys. I imagine boys would take the message far more seriously if the government showed they cared about them too. I won’t hold my breath though.
Steppy20 on
That article is awful, as is the current government’s announcement.
“We’ll make it better.”
“Cool, how you gonna do that?”
“I am out of office until the new year, if it is important please contact my assistant.”
The article then uses extremely inflammatory language in the title, even when it mentions nothing of the sort in the article.
Regardless of all of that, I don’t know if it’s going to help. Teenage boys have been told pretty much all their life that men are the problem, this has led to them feeling isolated from society. The reason why figures like Andrew Tate get the following they do is because they’re the ones saying it’s okay to be a man. Unfortunately what they define as being the best man, and creating aspirations for kids, one can be is abhorrent.
Fundamentally there is still a “lad culture” which if not kept in check can cause lots of issues with mistreating others, not just women but everyone. That’s not to say teenage lads dicking around is bad it’s just we need to make sure it doesn’t go beyond that.
I am skeptical that the government will actually be able to identify and target the problem because it’s such a complex mess. I also think that articles like this one even further singling out schoolboys is not helping, it’s just exacerbating the alienation problem.
Loreki on
Good idea. The attitudes learned in childhood/the teenage years are very impactful on who you will be as an adult. If we get young men to be disgusted by violence against women, we can stamp the problem out in a couple of generations.
I think a lot of the comments here make the mistake of thinking that a person has to be guilty to be part of the solution.
Alert_Ad_5750 on
It’s good to teach kids about violence and women are often at the receiving end of this on a higher level than men but it happens to men by women too and they’re even less likely to report it. Men are killed the most in general and that is mostly by other men on a much larger scale. The schools should be spreading awareness on all of this, violence against others and reporting, and it should be aimed at boy and girls.
Ok_Net4562 on
So in a world where boys are turning to shitbags like andy tate because they are at best ignored and at worst blamed and villainised for everything wrong in the world, the governments plan is to….call them rapists?!
YourCreepyGramps on
The issue I’ve consistently found with strategies like this is that it lumps everyone in the same category brazenly. The more you stereotype, the more likely it is to happen.
Those who then feel alienated find idiots like Tate or Fuentes, who they can relate to because they’re not saying the things that are constantly repeated to them. And they agree with the 1% of things that they say which make sense. They then think that because those 1% of things are right and reasonable, then the other 99% must also be right and reasonable when it is the complete opposite. That’s how they get radicalised.
I know someone who dated someone who idolised Andrew Tate. He was the biggest knob towards her and the relationship got borderline abusive. She managed to get out in the end and he didn’t even fight it because Tate’s ideology is that you can just find another woman, who cares if she leaves?
I think the true way forward is that we need more intensive lessons for both genders to learn what healthy relationships are, how to treat a partner, how to emotionally regulate, and how to safely leave a toxic relationship – not just summarily blaming men in general for everything a small minority do, but spun a lot more positively in a way that makes it an important focus but not one that is against everyone. And if a young lad is showing red flags, they need a positive male role model in a school environment to have time with them, to make them realise that the things they’re hearing online are bullsh*t.
seana39223 on
Some of the responses here are insane…. We absolutely need to be teaching schoolboys about violence against women
ByronsLastStand on
Usual policy: blame the male gender as a whole, don’t consider reforming our problematic approach to domestic violence, make everything worse for everyone except some well-funded women’s charities
Deadliftdeadlife on
Just a reminder to anyone in here that doesn’t know, because I think it’s absolutely wild
Male victims are included in that statistics used in VAWG
So even though it’s VAWG, if you are a male in an abusive relationship or face sexual harassment/violence you will be included in that statistics
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This is only going to alienate them and make the situation worse.
Bit of a nothing article, with no concrete plans whatsoever.
Yep, let’s tell young boys they’re the problem and have issues they need to sort.
Did showing them all Adolescence not already sort the ‘issue’?
Ah, so the attack on school boys is to continue. No attempt the understand why this is happening, no mention of support for the boys to prevent them from being radicalised.
Let’s just put pictures of school boys in the same article that we talk about rapists and murderers because what’s the difference eh? /s
I predict this will make it easier for boys to become disillusioned and feel marginalised and lead to more misogyny not less.
All the people who are against that: where do you suggest we start? Prevention isn’t blame – and it precisely has to happen before there is anyone to blame.
Hmmmmmmmmmm not sure this is smart, sounds like bait too, i call bs
Where were these enraged people when Prevent was targeted at Muslim schoolboys (the answers nowhere because its only bad to them if white boys are being targeted).
Yeah, keep treating young lads like criminals in waiting before they do anything wrong. That has been working so well up to now.
Andrew Tate 2.0 is right around the corner to accept them for who they are and whisper hatred into their ears.
Article feels like people called them out for being all talk on an issue they claimed to care about and they’ve responded with, more talk ig?
I’m super down to be proven wrong here but when I think about the abusers I’ve known in my life I can’t imagine any of them taking a “misogyny is bad” lesson with any seriousness at all.
Domestic violence is a problem that we all acknowledge needs fixing. And simply arresting abusers isn’t preventative measures. We can also acknowledge that toxic influences is a problem. I’d rather we tried something than nothing. Its not about pointing a finger at boys and telling them that they’re violent rapists in waiting, but what’s wrong with trying to start dialogue, get them questioning what it means to “be a man”. We either try to have meaningful dialogue with these kids or let other figures fill the void. Ask any woman close to you about their worst experiences with dating apps or creepy behavior and they’ve all got a stories.
I mean this really depends on how this is all implemented. The survey mentioned that nearly 40% of teenagers had experienced abuse in a relationship. If I remember correctly that included a huge number of boys. If young people are learning about abuse, how to treat romantic and non-romantic relationships, getting out of relationships that are abusive early, that can only be a good thing. Hopefully they also teach how to navigate social media aimed at polarisation in order to gain views. The trend I see are posts aimed at cementing people on one “team” or the other. So you have some young girls making videos being nasty about young men “when he’s 5’8” “when he asks you out but he’s broke/chopped” etc and then one’s complaining about historic mysogyny. Then you have young men making videos about how “woman are superficial”, “90-10 phenomenon” justifying treating women like shit to be “dominant” and becoming an “alpha/sigma male”. But it is all cyclical, they then just use the other’s content to point to cement “team” resentment. Personally I think they should aim to normalise opposite sex friendships and humanising the other gender.
Not a bad idea, but of course with everything in the education sector, let’s see how long before it goes tits up!
Speaking only on the idea here, it’s a shame the education sector has to step in for the complete and utter lack of masculine identity in the 21st century. It seems that as soon as feminism redefined their own sense of worth and meaning, Men were so uninspired and lazy they couldn’t be arsed following their female counterparts in doing the same thing
I’m not sure it’ll work anyways, because stopping this sense of normalised violence against women is such a large issue that it’s pretty much everywhere you look and a course in how to respect women probably won’t make a dent
Interesting that trying to prevent schoolboys from becoming misogynists is “too much” and “unfair”, but schoolgirls are expected to just deal with what happens when they *do* start to hate women? Why do we have to coddle the gender that doesn’t experience gender-based violence but instead inflicts it?
Rather than demonising young men, treating them as a problem to be targeted, maybe we could instead focus on building their self worth.
Violence against women is already far more rare than violence against men and boys. I imagine boys would take the message far more seriously if the government showed they cared about them too. I won’t hold my breath though.
That article is awful, as is the current government’s announcement.
“We’ll make it better.”
“Cool, how you gonna do that?”
“I am out of office until the new year, if it is important please contact my assistant.”
The article then uses extremely inflammatory language in the title, even when it mentions nothing of the sort in the article.
Regardless of all of that, I don’t know if it’s going to help. Teenage boys have been told pretty much all their life that men are the problem, this has led to them feeling isolated from society. The reason why figures like Andrew Tate get the following they do is because they’re the ones saying it’s okay to be a man. Unfortunately what they define as being the best man, and creating aspirations for kids, one can be is abhorrent.
Fundamentally there is still a “lad culture” which if not kept in check can cause lots of issues with mistreating others, not just women but everyone. That’s not to say teenage lads dicking around is bad it’s just we need to make sure it doesn’t go beyond that.
I am skeptical that the government will actually be able to identify and target the problem because it’s such a complex mess. I also think that articles like this one even further singling out schoolboys is not helping, it’s just exacerbating the alienation problem.
Good idea. The attitudes learned in childhood/the teenage years are very impactful on who you will be as an adult. If we get young men to be disgusted by violence against women, we can stamp the problem out in a couple of generations.
I think a lot of the comments here make the mistake of thinking that a person has to be guilty to be part of the solution.
It’s good to teach kids about violence and women are often at the receiving end of this on a higher level than men but it happens to men by women too and they’re even less likely to report it. Men are killed the most in general and that is mostly by other men on a much larger scale. The schools should be spreading awareness on all of this, violence against others and reporting, and it should be aimed at boy and girls.
So in a world where boys are turning to shitbags like andy tate because they are at best ignored and at worst blamed and villainised for everything wrong in the world, the governments plan is to….call them rapists?!
The issue I’ve consistently found with strategies like this is that it lumps everyone in the same category brazenly. The more you stereotype, the more likely it is to happen.
Those who then feel alienated find idiots like Tate or Fuentes, who they can relate to because they’re not saying the things that are constantly repeated to them. And they agree with the 1% of things that they say which make sense. They then think that because those 1% of things are right and reasonable, then the other 99% must also be right and reasonable when it is the complete opposite. That’s how they get radicalised.
I know someone who dated someone who idolised Andrew Tate. He was the biggest knob towards her and the relationship got borderline abusive. She managed to get out in the end and he didn’t even fight it because Tate’s ideology is that you can just find another woman, who cares if she leaves?
I think the true way forward is that we need more intensive lessons for both genders to learn what healthy relationships are, how to treat a partner, how to emotionally regulate, and how to safely leave a toxic relationship – not just summarily blaming men in general for everything a small minority do, but spun a lot more positively in a way that makes it an important focus but not one that is against everyone. And if a young lad is showing red flags, they need a positive male role model in a school environment to have time with them, to make them realise that the things they’re hearing online are bullsh*t.
Some of the responses here are insane…. We absolutely need to be teaching schoolboys about violence against women
Usual policy: blame the male gender as a whole, don’t consider reforming our problematic approach to domestic violence, make everything worse for everyone except some well-funded women’s charities
Just a reminder to anyone in here that doesn’t know, because I think it’s absolutely wild
Male victims are included in that statistics used in VAWG
So even though it’s VAWG, if you are a male in an abusive relationship or face sexual harassment/violence you will be included in that statistics