Time for the coalition of the willing to step up and do it on their own.
MrSoapbox on
So long as he doesn’t sign anything stopping them from joining in the future, sure, but don’t trust the US for anything. Just put the “We will join NATO” on hold to “We’re not planning to join NATO at this precise moment”.
Ukraines place is in NATO.
Zhukov-74 on
In this scenario the Ukrainian-Russian border is going to be transformed into the most heavily fortified border on the planet.
If USA an EU signs legally binding guarantees similar to article 5 of NATO, it could be even better cuz there will be no chance for russia to cry about imaginary treats from NATO expansion. So russians never will accept such scenario obviously
D_Fieldz on
Gesture of goodwill, nothing more.
szopatoszamuraj on
Was expected
Ok_Math4576 on
For a moment I thought it was going to read… in exchange for getting Ukrainian nukes back
DidYouTryToRestart on
Firm security guarantees, same as when they gave up their nukes?
TianZiGaming on
Seems similar to how the U.S. signed Taiwan into US law to be treated the same as countries with MNNA status, without formally designating it as MNNA because of the “One China” policy.
But still wonder if or what security guarantees the US will actually offer Ukraine, though. Taiwan had bipartisan support, but Ukraine is more mixed.
Gamebyter on
Last time they had these guarantees the USA/UK did not do anything. Look up Budapest Memorandum.
scubicide on
To be honest Trump’s so unreliable and contrarian, I wouldn’t be surprised he he’s suddenly like _woah, hang on now, I want you to join now_.
NatiFluffy on
Sadly I don’t see it ending well for Ukraine
SankaraMarx on
The same sort of security guarantees that Russia got, that NATO will not expand into Ukraine and other Eastern European countries?
Elegant-Music2239 on
This is the right thing to do.
Perfect_Match_1111 on
What is Russia offering in return for this step? Probably nothing…
QuirkyWish3081 on
He’s better getting security guarantees from Europe than the US right now. I can’t trust Trump or any future administration over there. They are too unaccountable and chaotic. They cannot be taken seriously on the world stage anymore.
Able-Ad3506 on
NATO feels useless. They failed to do anything regarding Russian drones in NATO-alligned Poland & Romania.
Dramatic_River8186 on
NATO is the security guarantee…. Anything else isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on.
dalior on
NATO is basically dead at this point. Smart move actually. They need UN or EU boots on the ground and a firm deterrent against further russian aggression. The US will sell out Ukraine first chance they get.
DantheMediocre on
zelensky man, the whole reason you are in this mess is because you trusted the security guarantees.
Orlok_Tsubodai on
NATO membership ain’t what it used to be anyways… neither are US security guarantees, though.
GeneralFrievolous on
Is it reverse psychology to make Trump want them to join NATO?
WhatANoob2025 on
I can’t believe he would trust anything coming from the US after all he’s been through.
I would assume that if he actually is willing to drop NATO membership, he is actually betting on the (very likely) outcome that Russia would STILL decline the agreement.
BoddAH86 on
it’s becoming pretty clear that NATO isn’t worth shit anyways so that’s a smart move actually.
trollsmurf on
Pretty sure he knows USA can’t provide any guarantees.
I’d rather see a coalition with Canada, UK and Ukraine, and ditch Hungary as a clear security threat.
Zorklunn on
From who? Neither the US or Russia keeps their agreements.
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Time for the coalition of the willing to step up and do it on their own.
So long as he doesn’t sign anything stopping them from joining in the future, sure, but don’t trust the US for anything. Just put the “We will join NATO” on hold to “We’re not planning to join NATO at this precise moment”.
Ukraines place is in NATO.
In this scenario the Ukrainian-Russian border is going to be transformed into the most heavily fortified border on the planet.
Ukraine would probably build the 21st Century equivalent of the [Maginot Line](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maginot_Line).
If USA an EU signs legally binding guarantees similar to article 5 of NATO, it could be even better cuz there will be no chance for russia to cry about imaginary treats from NATO expansion. So russians never will accept such scenario obviously
Gesture of goodwill, nothing more.
Was expected
For a moment I thought it was going to read… in exchange for getting Ukrainian nukes back
Firm security guarantees, same as when they gave up their nukes?
Seems similar to how the U.S. signed Taiwan into US law to be treated the same as countries with MNNA status, without formally designating it as MNNA because of the “One China” policy.
But still wonder if or what security guarantees the US will actually offer Ukraine, though. Taiwan had bipartisan support, but Ukraine is more mixed.
Last time they had these guarantees the USA/UK did not do anything. Look up Budapest Memorandum.
To be honest Trump’s so unreliable and contrarian, I wouldn’t be surprised he he’s suddenly like _woah, hang on now, I want you to join now_.
Sadly I don’t see it ending well for Ukraine
The same sort of security guarantees that Russia got, that NATO will not expand into Ukraine and other Eastern European countries?
This is the right thing to do.
What is Russia offering in return for this step? Probably nothing…
He’s better getting security guarantees from Europe than the US right now. I can’t trust Trump or any future administration over there. They are too unaccountable and chaotic. They cannot be taken seriously on the world stage anymore.
NATO feels useless. They failed to do anything regarding Russian drones in NATO-alligned Poland & Romania.
NATO is the security guarantee…. Anything else isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on.
NATO is basically dead at this point. Smart move actually. They need UN or EU boots on the ground and a firm deterrent against further russian aggression. The US will sell out Ukraine first chance they get.
zelensky man, the whole reason you are in this mess is because you trusted the security guarantees.
NATO membership ain’t what it used to be anyways… neither are US security guarantees, though.
Is it reverse psychology to make Trump want them to join NATO?
I can’t believe he would trust anything coming from the US after all he’s been through.
I would assume that if he actually is willing to drop NATO membership, he is actually betting on the (very likely) outcome that Russia would STILL decline the agreement.
it’s becoming pretty clear that NATO isn’t worth shit anyways so that’s a smart move actually.
Pretty sure he knows USA can’t provide any guarantees.
I’d rather see a coalition with Canada, UK and Ukraine, and ditch Hungary as a clear security threat.
From who? Neither the US or Russia keeps their agreements.