Quasi due terzi dei tedeschi si oppongono al divieto di vendere nuove auto con motore a combustione entro il 2035
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Quasi due terzi dei tedeschi si oppongono al divieto di vendere nuove auto con motore a combustione entro il 2035
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Someone tell Hans it’s time to let the combustion engine go.
A majority of voters for the Greens (81%) and the Left Party (60%) agree with the ban, while only 4% of Alternative for Germany (AfD) voters support it.
Source is a new representative poll by German broadcaster ZDF: https://www.zdfheute.de/politik/deutschland/politbarometer-mehrheit-gegen-us-einmischung-100.html
PS: The same poll also shows that 90% of Germans oppose Trump’s plans to get involved in European politics. And 8% approve of it…
I drive an EV and also oppose this ban, it’s not really helpful at all.
Ordinary people have no idea what 10 years of technological development will do to things like batteries. They assume that EVs will be pretty much the same in 2035 as now, and they absolutely won’t be. Buying a new ICE vehicle in 2035 is going to be insane whether they are available or not
Ban makes no sense, people will freely and gradually make the transition to EVs when they become cheap enough, when the infrastructure is ready etc.
If I was to buy an EV I’d have to charge it at a place that is 3 tram stops and 10 minute walk away from where I live aasnd it’s 2 chargers.
Surely it is AfD followers in the first place. Party was designed to provoke conflicts and destroy county from the inside.
So first they banned it which caused the manufacturers to invest heavily into EV tech, which in turn caused prices to spike. Then came Chinese brands which flooded the market with cheap EVs which again caused losses for European car brands. Now they’ll allow ICE after 2035. So they fucked the EU car market for the past years and now that they started to stabilize they again cause instability and uncertainty. Good job EU
The climate change problem is based on selfishness and refuse to change.
It amazes me how germans were all in in green policies, bio products, green energy, no nuclear, etc, until it start to hurt badly their wallet.
It is not a surprise, multiple studies show that in general people are very into green policies as long others are paying, support for green policies from our own pocket is much lower.
the 2035 ban does not make any sense anyways, at best should be a limited ban like city centers and things like that.
Too slow too late! Should have spent less time complaining and making up subscriptions for basic car features and more time innovating.
I’m a environmental engineer and even i think its a heavy handed move. You could go for biofuels. Reducing availability of fossil fuels should sort these things out without this heavy handed ban.
Almost two thirds of them are morons.
I have talked to a lot of people regarding several policies, e mobility being one of them. And, while certainly anecdotal, the sheer amount of people who think that their car is going to be banned in 2035 was staggering high.
With the carbon pricing in effect, which is the market solution that the conservative parties proposed, in 2030 fossile fuel will become so expensive, people wont buying combustion cars anymore.
Well, that is, if we don’t revoke carbon pricing – which of course is entirely possible with people voting for right wing parties.
But regardless of that: the „good“ part is, that German car manufacturers will go bankrupt anyway if they don’t switch to electric mobility due to high demand on global markets. Germanys economy is mostly export driven and if they don’t accommodate the needs of where they export to … well.
Because we are being told 24/7 by politicians and media that this would be very problematic. This is collective confirmation bias. We needto break out of this vicious circle.
Insane. Europe and Germany need to seriously reflect on their view on innovation. Clinging on to a 100 year industrial tradition just for the sake of it is insane. Sticking to these old jobs and old manufacturing processes will tank the whole ship. Why not use all those resources and drive something new.
The technology could go into novel products instead. Sure some adjustment is needed, but it will save everyone’s ass on the long-term.
Why do you think that the EV vehicles sales have plateaued here too ? Because they are overly expensive and still have poor autonomy, plus the recharging is still very long too. When you live in a rural area like me, buying an EV makes no sense. Oh, and they also age very badly, so if you want to resell it, you’re screwed because its value will have dropped sharply. I don’t know much people who own one, and there is no way that anyone I know will buy one in the near future. At least, there are still the hybrid vehicles which are more worth it. But banning combustion engines by 2035 is completely retarded, and not realistic at all. And it will also cripple further the european car manufacturers that have to face the US and chinese manufacturers when all the EU politicians are trying to rely less on them. What a wonderful idea indeed.
What I don’t understand is how are we supposed to charge all of these new cars? I live in a big city and in my neighborhood there are maybe 10 spots where you could charge an electric car and it took them months to install the last threes.
r/de in shambles.
How long do the batteries last? What do we do with the waste of the batteries? Under what conditions do they last longer or shorter?
What about all of environmental damage to extracting rare minerals, mining, geopolitical influences, etc.?
How will electricity prices be effected? What kind of demands will this produce on electric generation and mgmt?
I’m honestly just curious. Everyone talks about prices, infrastructure required, preferences, etc. I don’t hear much about the actual product and tech. Maybe someone knows more and can explain…
Ich bin ja für ein Verbot ab Ende 2025. Hätte gerne auch schon früher sein dürfen, aber dafür ist es jetzt zu spät.
I mean people vote based on current reality, not potential technology that will solve problems in the future, not to mention how much more time it usually needs to get stuff actually implemented vs original estimations.
As of right now, everyone yolo electrics would be a disaster.
This discussion is toxic and has been poisoned by the Right- and Ultra-Right, the enemies of Europe.
And it is successful in following the logic to weaken Europe even more, as it will be the case by not going All-In into the development of BEVs instead of ICEs.
Crazy, how successful enemy propaganda already is.
Germans are backwards and stupid.
Signed,
A German
The public opinion is skewed.
1) Lots of people believe it’s about existing cars as well. Conservatives frame it as „combustion ban“ so massive amounts believe their combustion car will have to be replaced in 2035, which was never true.
2) Even before the change it was possible to have cars registered when powered by e-fuel. But now they realize how fkn expensive it is to run cars on e fuel
3) I‘m a bit torn if a ban is needed. The market is decided already. It’s electric. So a ban in theory is irrelevant. However what might happen is that no ban dilutes the focus from the car manufacturers as they see: Oh shit, competition for EVs is hard. Let’s get some more profits for ICE first and in a few years I’m gone here anyway.
IF all companies truly elect a long term strategy, they are going to go electric anyway. But that’s not how this management hopping works. They have incentives for big profits now. Not in 10 years.
Funny thing: the EU has moved the emission cut from 100% to 90%.
So it’s not like anyone is bringing back the V8 for mass market vehicles for the petrol heads. All ICE vehicles need to be some sort of mild hybrid or even Plug-in Hybrid, with the majority of sold cars having to be EVs in order to reach the 90% goal.
E-Fuel is a solution, but only if 90% of the ICE cars on the road can use it. For now it seems it’s even scarcer than hydrogen.
So all I can see is, that car companies don’t have to invest more money and can use their existing assets to churn out profit for another 10 years.
Personally I wouldn’t want an EV because the way they design the interior of them. But it’s true of all newer model cars. Everything is all digital and touchscreens and if it breaks you have to pay out the ass to fix it. I want knobs and buttons, not a touchscreen that I have to focus my attention on while driving. I also fucking hate in newer model cars how they beep when you exceed the speed limit.
If it’s like Portugal, we lack charging stations in about 98% of residential areas. Also, hydrogen is still not an option.
But that does not make me oppose energy change. Quite the opposite.
I understand why that is, and also take joy in it being completely normalized that the FDP doens’t even appear in these charts anymore.
Would be pretty stupid for Germans to kill off one of its key industries like this. It should go naturally.
Battery cars are like house-hold appliances. They are efficient and nice, but have no “soul”. And I say this as a Norwegian. I like electric cars, they are better in nearly every way to regular cars, but they don’t have “soul”.
Just as electric trains are better than 1800s steam trains, the steam trains has “soul” – the electric ones does not.
It would be great if there was an exception to people living in rural areas. It’s way easier to drive such car there rather than be dependent on a charger.
I have no clue about the topic and I’m sure 90% of people also don’t, so I don’t know how much sense a poll like this makes.
As far as I understand, lifting the ban would mean a small percentage if cars can have combustion engines, so all exported cars and most in the EU could still be EVs.
Well yea because pf the constant anti ev propaganda. We are cheering our own downfall
Springer has been running anti-EV rhetoric for going on a decade at this point, so it’s not at all any surprise.
The amount of FUDlore surrounding EVs in Germany is ridiculous.
Two main reasons my I don’t have an electric car:
They are way too expensive and I can’t charge it anywhere close to me.
Driving one at work, it’s pretty nice actually, so I am not a hater, just limited by the two things I have mentioned.
I still don’t understand why the ban of combustion engines was necessary. If electric engines are indeed cheaper as proclaimed capitalism will do its thing.
50% of the people answering “no” will not be alive anymore in 2035.
Fuhrerin von der leyen wants the collapse of eu
The idea that electric cars are morally superior to cars that run on petrol is laughable.
Either you get an electric car at the cost of some congolese child slaves that are going to be poor for the rest of their short lives and destroying the congo along with destroying the environment during the construction process
Or you buy a petrol car and you damage the environment less when the car is being built, and at less human cost. But over the life of the car more GHGs go into the atmosphere.
Kinda seems like the problem isn’t petrol/electric. It’s that we shouldn’t be buying new cars. Where’s the call for the ban on cars for single individuals that just use it for intra city commute? Where’s the call to normalize tuk tuks? What about motorcycles? Why not make those more commonplace? There’s far far far better options for the environment, electric cars are NOT it.
So many people here don’t understand why this ban was made in the first place.
It’s about investment.
Without the ban, german car companies would continue to invest in combustion engines. Because contrary to believe, the market will want the tested and known product for as long as it is available.
We can’t change to EVs cost effective with both car types, their infrastructure, and production.
If we dont ban them, we would have massive worker decline over the next 20 years paired with know-how loss that would kill the german car industry.
It’s the same with earth gas-powered electric generation.
Germany just has horrible managers in the car industry.
Greens and leftists are pro bans and strict regulations. In other words: water is wet. 🤣
One of the most old-fashiond and stubborn European peoples is not willing to switch fromthe “old” to the “new” technology ?
Not surprising, dare I say.
China will eat the german automakers lunch if they don’t inovate.
They are indoctrinated by decades of media propaganda. The oil lobby owns a large part of the German media (Springer etc). Source: I am German and used to think similarly.
“Not within a Thousand Years would man ever fly!” – Just two years prior to man flying 😀
A majority of people here are so stupid when it comes to technical stuff, that if light bulbs where inveted today they would fight tooth and nail to keep their candels
I mean you also don’t ask the producers of cigarettes whether people should stop smoking, do you?
The main reason is a majority of the people have absolutely no clue what that means.
I even met people who whined what they should do, when in 2035 their ice car will lose it’s registration, which totally wouldn’t happen.
the ban is unecessary in my opinion
the days of combustion engines in normal cars are numbered
I always wonder, why only politicans, social Media, Newspapers and several “association” defend combustion engines and heating, but not oil industries itself. Hmmm.
there is no ban for selling new cars with combustion engine. never was