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    1. ToothpickSham on

      Very dumb and amateur bill for the simple reason it leaves no wiggle room to cull a local fox problem in case its needed.

      It lobs in control hunting with torturous game hunting with dogs, farmers do need to be able to protect live stock as some point

    2. theoldkitbag on

      ~~May as well be toilet paper – the Dáil will wipe it’s arse with it anyway, terrified of a ‘rural vote’ that doesn’t engage in fox hunting to start with and never did. It’s all either old Anglo families and/or brown-nosing nouveau riche that have anything to do with it.~~

      EDIT: I actually didn’t catch the fact that the Bill, as written, would prevent the culling of foxes. It bans the hunting of foxes, full-stop, *including* with dogs – not just ‘with dogs’. Very badly written. Apparently my toilet paper analogy was correct, just not in the way I’d intended. Mea culpa.

    3. fedupofbrick on

      Another bill that was given no thought. A farmer has a right to kill foxes that are destroying his flock of sheep. Fox hunting is horrible when it’s for sport but it can be a necessary evil when it comes to protecting your farm animals

    4. Loud_Raccoon9848 on

      Really badly written. A disservice to the majority who actually want this to be banned.

    5. Hrohdvitnir on

      If hunting includes shooting, kinda feel like they over reached for what people wanted. I don’t really think hunting foxes is at all necessary, but most people have less of an issue with a fox being shot than having a hunt. This could have been amended later if the sentiment went that way in the future but outright banning the shooting of foxes was likely to never be passed. I do think the way the vote went is completely not representative of the general consensus in the population, and TDs were not representing their constituencies on this day.

    6. Super-Resource2155 on

      Do we reckon it was badly written, so it wouldn’t pass?

    7. AllTheSuckInTheWorld on

      Yeah all of this could have been fixed in further drafts of the bill, Everyone still votes to reject it. Anyone who defends the practice of Fox Hunting should go back to England and do their bloodlust shit there..

    8. MartyMcTrainerFly on

      This genuinely looks like it was written by someone who wanted it to fail. Shocking stuff. May as well have added that it is illegal to hurt a fox’s feelings with how restrictive they made this.

    9. OopsWrongAirport on

      This bill would result in the decimation of ground-nesting birds and other small animal populations by removing the fox’s only predator – man.

      Sinn Féin’s position is out of touch but so is this doolally.

    10. OrganicVlad79 on

      That was it? So poorly put together. Ruth Coppinger can be embarrassing at times

    11. YmpetreDreamer on

      A lot of people here pretty ignorant about the legislative process. The only real issues would be if this bill was trying to do something unconstitutional or against EU law, introduced a new expenditure not covered in the budget, that sort of thing. The vote last night was on the general principles of the bill and everything else can be changed in the many subsequent stages

    12. Speedynoodles14 on

      Has no one here anything better to do than giving a shit about the fox hunting bill?

    13. shozy on

      Lads this is a bill voted down in the Second stage. No chance was given on improving it which is the whole point of the third (Committee) stage: 

      https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/procedure-guide-dail/legislation/stages-of-a-bill/

      If the government and Sinn Féin weren’t against the whole principle of it, it could have been amended with any details necessary explicitly about culls or farmers land. Or if the committees didn’t make those improvements it could have then been voted down.  

      If you look at any law you now support except for the most simple ones and check back on how it looked like in the second stage it will have been imperfect and or inadequate. 

    14. Alopexdog on

      Fuck sake that is so badly written. I’d imagine a lot of people are assuming trail hunting and drag hunting are the same. Trail hunting uses real animal scents which runs the risk of finding a real animal, and also means dogs are likely to stray of a designated path in to private land, where as drag hunting uses an artificial scent and significantly reduces those risks.

    15. Minions-overlord on

      The need to remove the idea of “hunting” (horseback with dogs) from actual hunting (food or pest control) is needed. They are nothing alike.

    16. Unable_Carpenter_203 on

      Coppinger and Murphy are numpties, it’s an absolute joke that this is what they proposed. All they’ve done is get everone up in arms and deliver nothing because clearly they’re clueless and more interested in promoting themselves than doing something positive. 

      Something the government got right voting this down in it’s current form. Honestly I’m disappointed in the parties that voted for this very flawed bill.

      This bill would absolutely be fetrimental to Irish biodioversity in its current form!

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