Well. Fixing the Houses of Parliament needs to happen.
It can’t be put off much longer.
Guy Fawkes wasn’t able to destroy it; be a shame if it became a burnt-out wreck because of institutional constipation.
Visa5e on
Ok. How much will it cost if we delay it by a decade? Two decades? Three decades?
Simply saying it’s expensive isn’t important. The value of doing it doesn’t change. The cost does.
So do it now. Or at least try and do it now so you can blame the refuseniks when it inevitably costs more in the long run.
Great-Needleworker23 on
Longer it’s delayed the more it will cost as kicking this down the road for years on end has proven.
‘£15bn on a building? Just move!’ is a likely retort and to some extent is fair (and will happen), but the building will still need to be repaired any way whether it is used or not.
callsignhotdog on
>Successive governments have delayed the wholesale renovation of parliament amid fears of a public backlash over the cost. It was estimated at between £7 billion and £13 billion in 2022, but has since risen.
Ain’t that just a microcosm for British Government of both parties for decades now? Essential maintenance needed, it’ll only get more expensive the longer you put it off, but it’s too expensive right now and hopefully by the time it fails catastrophically you’ll be comfortably retired to the private consultancy / after-dinner speaking circuit and it’ll be someone else whose career gets taken down with it.
jnthhk on
I was given a tour of the HP by a senior engineer for the restoration 5-6 years ago. Was one of the most fascinating afternoons of my adult life, just hearing about the absolutely astounding complexity of it all, and all of the different options, their massive tradeoffs, and creative solutions being considered.
One of the funniest things we were told was that one of the big reasons for the reluctance amongst the “full decant” option discussed in this article, was the worry that if you move the MPs to a sensibly designed modern debating chamber with enough seats for everyone etc., no one will want to move back when it’s done!
Powerful-Reward-9108 on
Could they not just remote in like they did during COVID and focus on their constituencies in between Zoom calls?
Abject_Interview5988 on
Turn the Palace of Westminster into a musuem and move Parliament somewhere outside of London
Parliament isn’t a building, and sat in numerous places before the Palace was built and the current structure isn’t fit for purpose.
A musuem could at least make back some money on any restoration work and gettig MPs outside of London would be a boon for the country
No-Maintenance-4509 on
14bn on consultation and bakchanders – 1bn actual building work and renovation
BlackCaesarNT on
Build a new one in Manchester or York for about 5% of the cost.
disordered-attic-2 on
300 Labour MPs who know they will only get 1 term want their time with history so I doubt they will make the difficult choice.
SignalButterscotch73 on
That sounds cheaper than them being inside when it finally falls down on their heads and needs completely replaced.
Definitely_Human01 on
>One of the main options for restoration of the Palace of Westminster could cost £15 billion, a member of the House of Lords has claimed.
>Successive governments have delayed the wholesale renovation of parliament amid fears of a public backlash over the cost. It was estimated at between £7 billion and £13 billion in 2022, but has since risen.
>Proponents of full decant argue it is the safest and most cost-effective option, and would last 19 to 28 years, compared with an estimated 48 years to 76 years if lawmakers remain on the site during reconstruction.
Would be nice if they could actually explain why exactly it would take so long and cost so much.
Significant-Egg8119 on
It will be more expensive to fix it after the huge fire that destroys it
Legerity on
They just need to vote yes and get the hell out of there. The price keeps rising and they keep putting it off. It’s abundantly clear they just need to have the conviction to go for it or it’s just going to get worse.
inigid on
They should turn it into a living museum, with reenactments, theme park rides and amusements, cafeterias and small popup shops where you can get your photo taken and turned into a Spitting Image character talking to Norman Tebbit – by AI.
I’m sure Americans would love it. I would too quite honestly.
There could be thing where you have to bang the Gavel and shout Order! Order! And you can win a soft toy asylum seeker. 🧸
All for a good cause.
PreparationBig7130 on
Set up a temporary hub using porta cabins. Somewhere like Milton Keynes (no offence to Milton Keynes, just selected as a new town nearby). Host parliament there. The refurb will be the fastest, most efficient refurb in the history of the Uk.
Aeceus on
Should be ran from a modern building. The fact we are still in parliament and its not a museum is just indicative of the UKs unwillingness to progress and reform itself.
Alone_Storage_1897 on
Move the parliament to Birmingham and let this remain a museum piece
WynterRayne on
Step 1: Build a full governmental complex just outside Chesterfield (south of Sheffield. I picked the location because I eyeballed roughly where the middle of the UK is and zoomed in). The full complex includes housing for all MPs, Lords and ministers. As much of it will be second homes away from constituencies and residences, there’s nearly always going to be some units empty, which can be used as ad-hoc temporary accommodation (I forgot what the name of the scheme is, but it’s essentially a tenancy agreement that has no fixed term and part of the contract basically says ‘it’s cheap because we can snatch it back at the drop of a hat and evict without notice’). It also includes office facilities and other large, fanciful meeting spaces, as well as state of the art chambers for Commons and Lords, among others, and dedicated news rooms adjoining the chambers.
Step 2: Sell Downing Street and half of Whitehall. Refurbish the Palace of Westminster as a tourist attraction, where people can wander the old Houses of Parliament, and (depending on feasibility) get tickets to go up the Elizabeth Tower to see the clock from inside.
I think the latter would more than pay for the former, what with the land value up north. The new site could be extra cushy. I’ve been to European parliament and that’s a really nice looking place to work, I think. Imagine being here on holiday and being able to walk into the actual house of commons and deliver a speech from a replica dispatch box while a load of other random strangers try out the iconic green leather back benches. Now how much would you pay the on-site professional photographer for a portrait of that moment?
EDIT:
There’s areas west of Chesterfield that look like they’d offer insane views of the Hope Valley. Just saying, if I had an office I wanted to gaze out the windows of, I’d want to look out over a wide valley in the Peak District
PixieBaronicsi on
I actually support knocking it down ave rebuilding it off the cost is that high
The Palace of Westminster isn’t particularly old, not particularly historically significant, and actually not all that suited to its purpose in terms of facilities.
grubbygromit on
Just build a big ass fucking building with offices and apartments. Get rid of juggling mortgages and keep them there.
There’s probably a nearly suitable building already in London
Yes. I’d imagine the security upgrade won’t be cheep.
alsbra on
Just chuck them in an unused warehouse so tgey can make thier stupid desicions from tgere and once the work is done open it up as a London tourist attraction.
Never understood why the powers that be need to operate out of a place of oppulence when the same can be done out of anywhere.
LANdShark31 on
If they say it’ll last 19 to 28 years and cost 15 Billion then we all know it will be 40 – 60 years and cost 45B.
Move them to a fit for purpose building and make Westminster a museum. Whilst they’re at it, build an accommodation block so they don’t all need second homes. Nothing too fancy, just what most business travellers would expect at a mid range hotel.
Those that live within a commutable distance commute and build in the technology to make it hybrid so they can vote and debate from their constituency which is where they supposed to serve. Some events such as state opening and some of the bigger votes should be in person.
ucardiologist on
We spend 1 billion a month in 5* hotels for illegals that no one voted for.
Why not give the MP s that represent no one 15 billions
loginisverybroken on
We’re redoing our entire parliament here in Canada it is like halfway through the entire process. There are a couple videos about the restoration I recommend looking them up it is amazing.
Different_Lychee_409 on
I think there are plenty of big buildings in cities in the North / Scotland that could accomodate our beloved and illustrious parliamentarians. Furthermore, the prostitutes and cocaine dealers in these cities would enjoy a well earned windfall.
Grantus89 on
It’s going to take up to 28 years even without them in there? That’s crazy.
limeflavoured on
Yeah, but how much will it cost over the course of the next decade in extra maintenance and fire precautions to make sure it doesn’t burn down?
Haulvern on
Pretty wild if they fully decant. Almost none of the current mps would remain to move back in. A whole new generation who had never sat in the old Parliament.
Euphoric-Plenty-1603 on
No reason they can’t work remotely from their constituency office. It would save a lot of expenses claims
EntirelyRandom1590 on
Just do parliament remotely, it’ll be hilarious. And a lot cheaper.
Realistic_Ad9820 on
I had a family friend working on the consultancy for this project a decade ago when it was already being discussed. To be clear, the bill would be much higher if the MPs stayed in place while the work was being done, which was the option they were calling for at the time.
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Well. Fixing the Houses of Parliament needs to happen.
It can’t be put off much longer.
Guy Fawkes wasn’t able to destroy it; be a shame if it became a burnt-out wreck because of institutional constipation.
Ok. How much will it cost if we delay it by a decade? Two decades? Three decades?
Simply saying it’s expensive isn’t important. The value of doing it doesn’t change. The cost does.
So do it now. Or at least try and do it now so you can blame the refuseniks when it inevitably costs more in the long run.
Longer it’s delayed the more it will cost as kicking this down the road for years on end has proven.
‘£15bn on a building? Just move!’ is a likely retort and to some extent is fair (and will happen), but the building will still need to be repaired any way whether it is used or not.
>Successive governments have delayed the wholesale renovation of parliament amid fears of a public backlash over the cost. It was estimated at between £7 billion and £13 billion in 2022, but has since risen.
Ain’t that just a microcosm for British Government of both parties for decades now? Essential maintenance needed, it’ll only get more expensive the longer you put it off, but it’s too expensive right now and hopefully by the time it fails catastrophically you’ll be comfortably retired to the private consultancy / after-dinner speaking circuit and it’ll be someone else whose career gets taken down with it.
I was given a tour of the HP by a senior engineer for the restoration 5-6 years ago. Was one of the most fascinating afternoons of my adult life, just hearing about the absolutely astounding complexity of it all, and all of the different options, their massive tradeoffs, and creative solutions being considered.
One of the funniest things we were told was that one of the big reasons for the reluctance amongst the “full decant” option discussed in this article, was the worry that if you move the MPs to a sensibly designed modern debating chamber with enough seats for everyone etc., no one will want to move back when it’s done!
Could they not just remote in like they did during COVID and focus on their constituencies in between Zoom calls?
Turn the Palace of Westminster into a musuem and move Parliament somewhere outside of London
Parliament isn’t a building, and sat in numerous places before the Palace was built and the current structure isn’t fit for purpose.
A musuem could at least make back some money on any restoration work and gettig MPs outside of London would be a boon for the country
14bn on consultation and bakchanders – 1bn actual building work and renovation
Build a new one in Manchester or York for about 5% of the cost.
300 Labour MPs who know they will only get 1 term want their time with history so I doubt they will make the difficult choice.
That sounds cheaper than them being inside when it finally falls down on their heads and needs completely replaced.
>One of the main options for restoration of the Palace of Westminster could cost £15 billion, a member of the House of Lords has claimed.
>Successive governments have delayed the wholesale renovation of parliament amid fears of a public backlash over the cost. It was estimated at between £7 billion and £13 billion in 2022, but has since risen.
>Proponents of full decant argue it is the safest and most cost-effective option, and would last 19 to 28 years, compared with an estimated 48 years to 76 years if lawmakers remain on the site during reconstruction.
Would be nice if they could actually explain why exactly it would take so long and cost so much.
It will be more expensive to fix it after the huge fire that destroys it
They just need to vote yes and get the hell out of there. The price keeps rising and they keep putting it off. It’s abundantly clear they just need to have the conviction to go for it or it’s just going to get worse.
They should turn it into a living museum, with reenactments, theme park rides and amusements, cafeterias and small popup shops where you can get your photo taken and turned into a Spitting Image character talking to Norman Tebbit – by AI.
I’m sure Americans would love it. I would too quite honestly.
There could be thing where you have to bang the Gavel and shout Order! Order! And you can win a soft toy asylum seeker. 🧸
All for a good cause.
Set up a temporary hub using porta cabins. Somewhere like Milton Keynes (no offence to Milton Keynes, just selected as a new town nearby). Host parliament there. The refurb will be the fastest, most efficient refurb in the history of the Uk.
Should be ran from a modern building. The fact we are still in parliament and its not a museum is just indicative of the UKs unwillingness to progress and reform itself.
Move the parliament to Birmingham and let this remain a museum piece
Step 1: Build a full governmental complex just outside Chesterfield (south of Sheffield. I picked the location because I eyeballed roughly where the middle of the UK is and zoomed in). The full complex includes housing for all MPs, Lords and ministers. As much of it will be second homes away from constituencies and residences, there’s nearly always going to be some units empty, which can be used as ad-hoc temporary accommodation (I forgot what the name of the scheme is, but it’s essentially a tenancy agreement that has no fixed term and part of the contract basically says ‘it’s cheap because we can snatch it back at the drop of a hat and evict without notice’). It also includes office facilities and other large, fanciful meeting spaces, as well as state of the art chambers for Commons and Lords, among others, and dedicated news rooms adjoining the chambers.
Step 2: Sell Downing Street and half of Whitehall. Refurbish the Palace of Westminster as a tourist attraction, where people can wander the old Houses of Parliament, and (depending on feasibility) get tickets to go up the Elizabeth Tower to see the clock from inside.
I think the latter would more than pay for the former, what with the land value up north. The new site could be extra cushy. I’ve been to European parliament and that’s a really nice looking place to work, I think. Imagine being here on holiday and being able to walk into the actual house of commons and deliver a speech from a replica dispatch box while a load of other random strangers try out the iconic green leather back benches. Now how much would you pay the on-site professional photographer for a portrait of that moment?
EDIT:
There’s areas west of Chesterfield that look like they’d offer insane views of the Hope Valley. Just saying, if I had an office I wanted to gaze out the windows of, I’d want to look out over a wide valley in the Peak District
I actually support knocking it down ave rebuilding it off the cost is that high
The Palace of Westminster isn’t particularly old, not particularly historically significant, and actually not all that suited to its purpose in terms of facilities.
Just build a big ass fucking building with offices and apartments. Get rid of juggling mortgages and keep them there.
There’s probably a nearly suitable building already in London
Yes. I’d imagine the security upgrade won’t be cheep.
Just chuck them in an unused warehouse so tgey can make thier stupid desicions from tgere and once the work is done open it up as a London tourist attraction.
Never understood why the powers that be need to operate out of a place of oppulence when the same can be done out of anywhere.
If they say it’ll last 19 to 28 years and cost 15 Billion then we all know it will be 40 – 60 years and cost 45B.
Move them to a fit for purpose building and make Westminster a museum. Whilst they’re at it, build an accommodation block so they don’t all need second homes. Nothing too fancy, just what most business travellers would expect at a mid range hotel.
Those that live within a commutable distance commute and build in the technology to make it hybrid so they can vote and debate from their constituency which is where they supposed to serve. Some events such as state opening and some of the bigger votes should be in person.
We spend 1 billion a month in 5* hotels for illegals that no one voted for.
Why not give the MP s that represent no one 15 billions
We’re redoing our entire parliament here in Canada it is like halfway through the entire process. There are a couple videos about the restoration I recommend looking them up it is amazing.
I think there are plenty of big buildings in cities in the North / Scotland that could accomodate our beloved and illustrious parliamentarians. Furthermore, the prostitutes and cocaine dealers in these cities would enjoy a well earned windfall.
It’s going to take up to 28 years even without them in there? That’s crazy.
Yeah, but how much will it cost over the course of the next decade in extra maintenance and fire precautions to make sure it doesn’t burn down?
Pretty wild if they fully decant. Almost none of the current mps would remain to move back in. A whole new generation who had never sat in the old Parliament.
No reason they can’t work remotely from their constituency office. It would save a lot of expenses claims
Just do parliament remotely, it’ll be hilarious. And a lot cheaper.
I had a family friend working on the consultancy for this project a decade ago when it was already being discussed. To be clear, the bill would be much higher if the MPs stayed in place while the work was being done, which was the option they were calling for at the time.