I macchinisti guadagnano £ 80.000 come “classe operaia” nell’ambito del programma di tirocinio del servizio civile, poiché la polizia e gli agenti penitenziari sono esclusi
https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/train-drivers-earning-working-class-civil-service-5HjdPn2_2/
di tylerthe-theatre
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Your salary doesn’t define your class. There will be working class people earning 6 figures and beyond.
Class isn’t defined by what you may be earning in one particular job at one point in your life.
A football player could be on £100,000 per week, and a career-ending injury can see them on next to bugger all ten years later.
I often hear people who have come from working class backgrounds and moved up the social ladder claim they are still working class, as if it’s just a matter of having a cockney accent.
The headline seems to be an attempt to divide. Of course an £80k salary is working class. They have to work to get by. That they are handsomely compensated is a good thing. And there is no such thing as middle class – that’s just a way of gatekeeping better salaries and cultural activities.
I’m willing to bet that this class definition hasn’t been altered since the 1920s and that its never really used for anything.
If your income comes from trading your time for money and it can be taken away over night by you being laid off then you are working class. If you have income from investments, property etc them you are not. If your income comes from trading your knowledge not your time such as a barister or doctor, and your income security is not at the whim of a distant board of directors you are not working class.
Why does the media always have such a rage boner about train drivers?
If you have to work for a living, you’re working class.
Baffling to me everyone is focusing on the number and finds discrimination based on parents’ profession at a certain age totally fine? As a child, you have about as much control over that as you do over your skin color.
I’m really worried people aren’t racist just because they were taught not to be, as opposed to fundamentally understanding the unfairness. This class discrimination is equally unfair.
People are missing the fact that this says train drivers are working class whilst police officers and prison officers aren’t – if a police officer making £40k isn’t working class by their definition then a train driver also shouldn’t be – if a train driver is then a police officer should also be
If you work for the money you need to live then you are working class.
Lower/Middle/Upper working class is just a ploy to pit blue collar middle managers against catering staff on £10 an hour less than them to make sure we forget to behead the rulers in the Market Square.
All that matters is the working class and the owning class
Love a good article meant to divide the working class. While the rich continue to plunder the wealth produced by the majority of society, we’re left to bicker amongst ourselves and *god forbid* a **well unionised and organised** group of workers be able to better their living conditions through collective struggle. Can’t have that, or the rest of the workers might also get silly ideas about organising, and even *taking over workplaces and running them democratically*. No sir, we must focus on our fellow workers, who in the majority of cases are closer to being homeless than to becoming a billionaire.
I find this strategy of constantly changing the definition of the working class depending on salary extremely cynical. It’s a divide-and-conquer playbook to manage the have-nots (the ones who don’t have family estate, property portfolio or hefty dividend payouts). In reality most people who have to work to sustain their current lifestyle are working class. With the current prices, even 100k salary might not be that much in areas like London.
What ‘working class’ means varies enormously depending on the agenda of the person using the term.
Labour are stupid, why should class determine if you get opportunities in the civil service internship.
If you are reliant on a PAYE salary to provide you and your family food and shelter then you are working class. You might earn £95k a year and shop at Waitrose, but you get made redundant and you’re as shit of out luck as any other fucker. Your salary can be 6 figures, but you’re still much closer to the lady handing you your M&S click and collect order than you are to aristocracy. People seem to forget this when they start earning a few bob.
If you can lose your job and it not be a big deal then well done; you have graduated from working class.
Why are Labour trying to categorise people based on their parents job like it’s the middle ages? Absolute dinosaurs.
Wow this thread is full of people wilfully misunderstanding the term “working class” isn’t it
This is a scheme which applies to their kids going through a civil service recruitment path which prioritises people from lower socio-economic backgrounds.
Headline is obviously designed to ragebait. It’s interesting to discuss the idea though, as I think most people will agree social class isn’t determined by your salary. Most other 80k professions will be occupied by university educated people from more fortunate backgrounds, train driving is a bit of an outlier in that respect. You’d like to think that we give out high salaries to highly necessary and socially indispensible jobs (like train driving) but high salaries generally go to the sorts of professions full of those who grew up afluent and went to uni.
My usual yardstick for this is that, if you put an average train driver amongst the future PMs and business leaders at Eton College, would they identify the train driver as middle class?
Maybe that’s more nuance than the headline writer wanted, but it’s definitely interesting to think about.
They always attack train drivers for earning a fair wage, not the businesses exploiting us all.
Hear me out, instead than complaining about train drivers having a good salary (which is basically the whole first paragraph of that article), why not instead demand police\prison officers to be included in the same scheme (and also maybe for their profession to be paid better…)?
But that probably wouldn’t fuel division, so we can’t have that
This is why you always fill out ‘prefer not to say’ for all diversity monitoring in applications.
I hope Elon musk creates a super driverless train one day
Working class is when you have to work every day to keep a roof over your head. The rent paying class.
Middle class is when you have to work to keep paying your mortgage. The home owning class.
Upper class is when other people work to pay for your living. The landlord class.
You can argue that the middle class only exists to keep the people who have to actually do a job arguing with each other.
Um, obviously. Train driving is surely a perfect example of skilled working class?
If you have to work to live. You are working class.
The idea of class should have died years ago it does nothing but divide and hold people back