Interesting. Most folks just need that little lifeline with something like this to get their life back on track.
Of course there would be people who would splash it on drink or cigarettes etc. but the vast majority just need that glimmer which a cash sum can easily grant them something.
HelloYesThisIsFemale on
I wish this had a statistical breakdown rather than a bunch of people commenting on the results.
pafrac on
This is why I’m a fan of UBI. Give most people something to live on and they use it to improve their lives. Plus there’d be much less need to spaff money on fraud prevention.
chronicnerv on
Every group or demographic tends to be judged by its most extreme members. If you care about how the group you’re associated with is perceived, you have to address the extremists who end up defining it. The issue here is the homeless can not solve problems with the homeless.
YesterdayOnce on
It seems that the homeless people in this context were people who were already receiving support and were already moving into accommodation or housed. These arent the stereotypical street-sleepers that people picture when you hear the word “homeless”.
I 100% support this study and if anything shows that giving people who are on the cusp on a very severe situation a leg up saves the taxpayer a lot of money in the long run – absolutely shocking – early support and intervention actually works, who would have thought it.
Would be interesting to do the same study with the _cliche_ of the homeless person, not to disparage them but just to double down on the fact that early intervention and putting funds into front-line care absolutely pays dividends.
wkavinsky on
Important to note the participants were recently in temporary accommodation or who had recently rough slept (and presumably no longer are, from the wording).
That’s a completely different group of people to what people consider “homeless” and have been on the streets for months or years, and often have significant (and complicated) mental health issues.
What it **does** show quite clearly that early intervention is actually very inexpensive **and** has outsized benefits – as well as actual long term cost savings.
Both-Mud-4362 on
So they essentially found that giving poor people cash resulted in their directly improving their lives, skills and futures and poured the money straight back into the economy!
Sounds like this is what we should be doing. Everyone should have universal basic income.
Agitated_Custard7395 on
Would need to know more about the study, if the participants knew there spending would be tracked they’re more likely to spend on something wholesome, whereas a random £2k payment to all homeless would be less so.
Also, were the participants selected at random, or were they specifically chosen for the study based on previous criteria, I.e. were they alcoholics/drug addicts or were these filtered out.
If the government sent me £2k I would probably buy some drugs
Astriania on
It’s not really a surprise that if you give people a big stack of money for nothing, they will improve their lives. Especially if you exclude the addicts – anyone who is “homeless” in that context is likely just out of money for rent, and so of course they will fix that if you pay the rent.
The problem with it is that you really can’t justify giving away £2000 to people in this position but not those who are working and paying for a house but could really use that money. And giving away £2000 to anyone with an income of less than say £20k/year is very expensive.
The article says that there are “no downsides” but of course there is one: that is £2k you could have spent on somebody or something else.
GhostRiders on
Like with most things in life, the real answer is much more complex.
There are a myriad of reasons why people are Homeless, the problem is with trying to find one solution doesn’t work.
We can do many things which would significantly reduce the amount of people who are homeless such as giving people, (children, women and men) fleeing from domestic violence and abuse a sanctuary where they can feel safe.
Many homeless are ex-prisoners who have addictions that were obtained in prison, are in poor physical and mental health which due to systemic cuts that both the Prison Service and Probation have faced over the past 14 years have left many without any support.
You then have those with severe mental health issues, again not helped by the massive cuts in Mental Health Services.
Going forwards if we wanted we could significantly cut the amount of people who are and become homeless however the will simply isn’t there.
MP’s don’t care otherwise they would haves seriously tackled this issue years ago instead of passing laws which are designed to hide those who are homeless.
Most of the general public only care when it becomes a problem for them or if they can see them, much better to hide them away which is why such laws have been passed.
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Interesting. Most folks just need that little lifeline with something like this to get their life back on track.
Of course there would be people who would splash it on drink or cigarettes etc. but the vast majority just need that glimmer which a cash sum can easily grant them something.
I wish this had a statistical breakdown rather than a bunch of people commenting on the results.
This is why I’m a fan of UBI. Give most people something to live on and they use it to improve their lives. Plus there’d be much less need to spaff money on fraud prevention.
Every group or demographic tends to be judged by its most extreme members. If you care about how the group you’re associated with is perceived, you have to address the extremists who end up defining it. The issue here is the homeless can not solve problems with the homeless.
It seems that the homeless people in this context were people who were already receiving support and were already moving into accommodation or housed. These arent the stereotypical street-sleepers that people picture when you hear the word “homeless”.
I 100% support this study and if anything shows that giving people who are on the cusp on a very severe situation a leg up saves the taxpayer a lot of money in the long run – absolutely shocking – early support and intervention actually works, who would have thought it.
Would be interesting to do the same study with the _cliche_ of the homeless person, not to disparage them but just to double down on the fact that early intervention and putting funds into front-line care absolutely pays dividends.
Important to note the participants were recently in temporary accommodation or who had recently rough slept (and presumably no longer are, from the wording).
That’s a completely different group of people to what people consider “homeless” and have been on the streets for months or years, and often have significant (and complicated) mental health issues.
What it **does** show quite clearly that early intervention is actually very inexpensive **and** has outsized benefits – as well as actual long term cost savings.
So they essentially found that giving poor people cash resulted in their directly improving their lives, skills and futures and poured the money straight back into the economy!
Sounds like this is what we should be doing. Everyone should have universal basic income.
Would need to know more about the study, if the participants knew there spending would be tracked they’re more likely to spend on something wholesome, whereas a random £2k payment to all homeless would be less so.
Also, were the participants selected at random, or were they specifically chosen for the study based on previous criteria, I.e. were they alcoholics/drug addicts or were these filtered out.
If the government sent me £2k I would probably buy some drugs
It’s not really a surprise that if you give people a big stack of money for nothing, they will improve their lives. Especially if you exclude the addicts – anyone who is “homeless” in that context is likely just out of money for rent, and so of course they will fix that if you pay the rent.
The problem with it is that you really can’t justify giving away £2000 to people in this position but not those who are working and paying for a house but could really use that money. And giving away £2000 to anyone with an income of less than say £20k/year is very expensive.
The article says that there are “no downsides” but of course there is one: that is £2k you could have spent on somebody or something else.
Like with most things in life, the real answer is much more complex.
There are a myriad of reasons why people are Homeless, the problem is with trying to find one solution doesn’t work.
We can do many things which would significantly reduce the amount of people who are homeless such as giving people, (children, women and men) fleeing from domestic violence and abuse a sanctuary where they can feel safe.
Many homeless are ex-prisoners who have addictions that were obtained in prison, are in poor physical and mental health which due to systemic cuts that both the Prison Service and Probation have faced over the past 14 years have left many without any support.
You then have those with severe mental health issues, again not helped by the massive cuts in Mental Health Services.
Going forwards if we wanted we could significantly cut the amount of people who are and become homeless however the will simply isn’t there.
MP’s don’t care otherwise they would haves seriously tackled this issue years ago instead of passing laws which are designed to hide those who are homeless.
Most of the general public only care when it becomes a problem for them or if they can see them, much better to hide them away which is why such laws have been passed.