The NHS exploiting people? I simply refuse to believe it.
Brexit-Broke-Britain on
It’s the Telegraph providing rage bait for the permangry.
nerdyHyena93 on
Partner works in a hospital, he’s been saying this for years. The NHS isn’t as benevolent as everyone thinks, some of its management is downright ass.
Uniform764 on
So British trained doctors are genuinely struggling to find jobs, and yet multiple senior people at UHB decided it was sensible, appropriate, a good use of public funds etc to illegally pretend foreign doctors were students and get them to do a doctors job for a pittance, without paying, no entitlement to sick pay/maternity leave etc and now we have no fucking idea who’s been paid huge chunks of the £40m spent on this over the last half decade? And they didn’t even do proper pre employment checks on these people?
Sounds about right for the calibre of people running NHS trusts these days. I look forward to the millions wasted on an inquiry which achieves fuck all
SmashingK on
Pretty certain it does that across the board. Singling out Pakistani doctors as rage bait for its readers is typical telegraph.
MuhammadAkmed on
this is not new…
immigrants = cheap labour
3rd world immigrants = even cheaper labour
Brexit-Broke-Britain on
Is the Telegraph covering the story of the unprecedented number of attacks taking place on NHS staff? 285 violent incidents a day. Of course it’s their readership carrying out the attacks.
Powerful_Chemical628 on
Again, something we’ve all known for years. Wait until they learn about the African GP’s that can’t understand a word the patients say
Mild_Karate_Chop on
Red list countries only prohibits active recruitment..doctors from.these countries can apply on their own independently and that is not barred .
These half baked articles do not tell anything but just seem to be made for clicks and interaction .
SunBlowsUpToday on
People get mad at British medical students for going abroad for better pay, then get mad at the NHS for hiring cheap labour from abroad. My brother in Christ just fund the NHS.
It’s no good complaining about the situation. An aging population want increasing amounts of healthcare and doctors want higher pay with a public demanding better value for money. This is what it must do to survive.
South_Buy_3175 on
Ah, so it’s right then that companies just use migrants as cheap labour?
We’ve all known this for years, the government is the ones who deny it because their rich mates companies need cheap labour to post record profits.
NHS is just another in a long line of employers using and exploiting migrants whilst pushing out native employees.
wilf89 on
I mean it’s pretty obvious that immigration from these countries is to suppress wages, it benefits the rich who get a good supply of cheap labour and screws everyone else over.
Ironrats on
Anyways, as was said before, migrants are used to keep our wages down, also need the same services as we do, driving the costs up.
Having a massive work force only benefits the employer.
gentle_vik on
Every single person involved with this programme, should be punished – the ones that ran it, should be in prison and the ones employed via it, deported and have blocked from ever working in the UK.
They committed fraud (the “doctors”), so their GMC status should be removed
Alive_kiwi_7001 on
Oh, *now* the Torygraph cares. I wonder what happened that could have led to this change of heart.
SojournerInThisVale on
Nope. Can’t be true. Everyone here and the *experts* insist that labour cost is not subject to the normal rules or supply and demand
brahthulhu on
This is so much worse than you could imagine from the headline.
NHS Birmingham medical recruitment has been captured and expoited by what can only be described as a Cartel with links to Pakistan.
Essentially, someone working for NHS Birmingham set up an arrangement with a small shadowy Limited company based in Brum. No contracts, no invoices but millions (circa 40m to be precise) paid directly to ltd company in return for 700 hundred doctors from Pakistan over the course of nearly a decade. The majority break the terms of their agreement and stay beyond time- 68% are still registered on the GMC.
Auditors find it highly unlikely that these doctors provide conparable service to their UK counterparts and that pre-employment checks including criminal record and qualifications were not carried out. Pakistan is on the WHOs recruitment red list.
There is the strong allegations of tax avoidance baked into the scheme and almost certainly rampant worker exploitation. Tax avoidance all but confirmed- I personally know someone employed through this scheme who has confirmed they were paid around 60% of what equivelent UK docs would expect, with the Ldt Brum buisiness and the Pakistan Medical College taking 10% between them. The doctors were paid by the college in the form of student loans/stipends with 0 tax to HMRC. Their hourly rate was in some cases circa £13/hr with no holiday nor maternity rights (an instance were a doctor got pregnant and immediately had her arrangement permanently terminated is what triggered the investigatiom).
The KPMG audit found undeclared two week all expenses trips to Pakistan for trust employees- one costing 20k alone.
This only came to light after new clinical director ordered in external auditors. No one at NHS found at fault (somehow), everyone employed through the scheme has been offered a job anyway.
>tip of the iceberg says royal college
Absolutely scandalous and I hope this gets traction. Dozens of NHS employees with their connections to this company, and the Pakistani medical institutions have been embezzling, defrauding and exploiting the NHS, HMRC, Pakistani doctors and subsequently fucking over our home-trained ones. There should be prison time served for this.
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The NHS exploiting people? I simply refuse to believe it.
It’s the Telegraph providing rage bait for the permangry.
Partner works in a hospital, he’s been saying this for years. The NHS isn’t as benevolent as everyone thinks, some of its management is downright ass.
So British trained doctors are genuinely struggling to find jobs, and yet multiple senior people at UHB decided it was sensible, appropriate, a good use of public funds etc to illegally pretend foreign doctors were students and get them to do a doctors job for a pittance, without paying, no entitlement to sick pay/maternity leave etc and now we have no fucking idea who’s been paid huge chunks of the £40m spent on this over the last half decade? And they didn’t even do proper pre employment checks on these people?
Sounds about right for the calibre of people running NHS trusts these days. I look forward to the millions wasted on an inquiry which achieves fuck all
Pretty certain it does that across the board. Singling out Pakistani doctors as rage bait for its readers is typical telegraph.
this is not new…
immigrants = cheap labour
3rd world immigrants = even cheaper labour
Is the Telegraph covering the story of the unprecedented number of attacks taking place on NHS staff? 285 violent incidents a day. Of course it’s their readership carrying out the attacks.
Again, something we’ve all known for years. Wait until they learn about the African GP’s that can’t understand a word the patients say
Red list countries only prohibits active recruitment..doctors from.these countries can apply on their own independently and that is not barred .
These half baked articles do not tell anything but just seem to be made for clicks and interaction .
People get mad at British medical students for going abroad for better pay, then get mad at the NHS for hiring cheap labour from abroad. My brother in Christ just fund the NHS.
Original BMJ reporting: https://www.bmj.com/content/392/bmj.s39
It’s no good complaining about the situation. An aging population want increasing amounts of healthcare and doctors want higher pay with a public demanding better value for money. This is what it must do to survive.
Ah, so it’s right then that companies just use migrants as cheap labour?
We’ve all known this for years, the government is the ones who deny it because their rich mates companies need cheap labour to post record profits.
NHS is just another in a long line of employers using and exploiting migrants whilst pushing out native employees.
I mean it’s pretty obvious that immigration from these countries is to suppress wages, it benefits the rich who get a good supply of cheap labour and screws everyone else over.
Anyways, as was said before, migrants are used to keep our wages down, also need the same services as we do, driving the costs up.
Having a massive work force only benefits the employer.
Every single person involved with this programme, should be punished – the ones that ran it, should be in prison and the ones employed via it, deported and have blocked from ever working in the UK.
They committed fraud (the “doctors”), so their GMC status should be removed
Oh, *now* the Torygraph cares. I wonder what happened that could have led to this change of heart.
Nope. Can’t be true. Everyone here and the *experts* insist that labour cost is not subject to the normal rules or supply and demand
This is so much worse than you could imagine from the headline.
https://www.bmj.com/content/392/bmj.s39
NHS Birmingham medical recruitment has been captured and expoited by what can only be described as a Cartel with links to Pakistan.
Essentially, someone working for NHS Birmingham set up an arrangement with a small shadowy Limited company based in Brum. No contracts, no invoices but millions (circa 40m to be precise) paid directly to ltd company in return for 700 hundred doctors from Pakistan over the course of nearly a decade. The majority break the terms of their agreement and stay beyond time- 68% are still registered on the GMC.
Auditors find it highly unlikely that these doctors provide conparable service to their UK counterparts and that pre-employment checks including criminal record and qualifications were not carried out. Pakistan is on the WHOs recruitment red list.
There is the strong allegations of tax avoidance baked into the scheme and almost certainly rampant worker exploitation. Tax avoidance all but confirmed- I personally know someone employed through this scheme who has confirmed they were paid around 60% of what equivelent UK docs would expect, with the Ldt Brum buisiness and the Pakistan Medical College taking 10% between them. The doctors were paid by the college in the form of student loans/stipends with 0 tax to HMRC. Their hourly rate was in some cases circa £13/hr with no holiday nor maternity rights (an instance were a doctor got pregnant and immediately had her arrangement permanently terminated is what triggered the investigatiom).
The KPMG audit found undeclared two week all expenses trips to Pakistan for trust employees- one costing 20k alone.
This only came to light after new clinical director ordered in external auditors. No one at NHS found at fault (somehow), everyone employed through the scheme has been offered a job anyway.
>tip of the iceberg says royal college
Absolutely scandalous and I hope this gets traction. Dozens of NHS employees with their connections to this company, and the Pakistani medical institutions have been embezzling, defrauding and exploiting the NHS, HMRC, Pakistani doctors and subsequently fucking over our home-trained ones. There should be prison time served for this.
Theres an issue with newly qualified nurses being able to get jobs yet the NHS is happy to sponsor thousands of nigerians with [questionable](https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/feb/14/nhs-nurses-being-investigated-for-industrial-scale-qualifications) credentials
Its fucking bonkers