>Bheilbigh added that public commentary from the judiciary “should recognise that vulnerability” facing cyclists and, furthermore, should support a “culture of care and responsibility, rather than language that risks normalising hostility toward people who choose to travel by bike”.
and some bicyclists should have a helmet and actually follow the law in term how some act on the road. i have sceen some bicyclists do some very illegal shit on the roads as a pedestrian
sludgepaddle on
Here’s a wild idea: All road users should obey the rules of the road, those who don’t should be prosecuted.
NotoriousP_U_G on
A car is more dangerous to me as a pedestrian, but, crossing the road during commute times, following the green man, I am never nearly hit by a car. I am nearly hit by a bike flying through a red light a couple of times a week.
Ibinixer on
Cyclists responding like Israel to that one
jacksqualk on
If you sat in Dublin city centre at a set of lights, less than five out of 10 cyclists will wait at a red light.
freshfrosted on
From the very same judge who failed to give a roadside breath test.
Surely this is the easiest appeal in legal history as they can argue the judge is clearly prejudiced against cyclists by his remarks?
ToothpickSham on
I have def seen some absolute dumbass on bikes here , I say this after living somewhere with more of a biking commute culture
But holy christ , the bike infrastructure is a joke, its not consistent at all. Sometimes it’s elevated with markings, sometimes it on road level with markings , sometimes it’s road level with billards , sometimes it’s like on the road with traffic. Then different colours for these markings used … ugh . Then like half of your journey will have one section of road with no indicated bike lane . Nightmare for everyone, driver and cyclist . Best just a council having ‘one ‘ stulyle of cycling infrastructure, clear colour scheme, stick to it unless, literally the buildings squeeze things to much .
Few_Habit_3400 on
Que the people who are so concerned about cyclists safety, but can’t check a wing mirror (or indicate) to look out for said cyclist.
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Shakermaker1990 on
I was nearly ploughed outta it on George’s St the other morning by a fella on a modified e-scooter as he came full speed at me as I crossed at the pedestrian green lights. Let roar at him..he literally wasn’t stopping! I’m pregnant, can’t move that fast anymore. He saw nothing wrong with breaking the lights when people were crossing!
I’m both a a car driver and regular cyclist but I genuinely despise the modified e-bikes and e-scooters with a passion. I know cyclists break the rules, I sometimes do for my own safety (e.g. crossing a junction when green pedestrian lights come on once it’s safe and I’m not anywhere near people crossing) but anyway, I just think those modified e-scooter and bikes attract a certain crowd who would never get on a normal bike let alone follow the ROTR.
roenaid on
Ciaran Cuffes response on Radio 1 this morning on being asked whether cyclists should be expected to wear hi-vis and helmets was that cyclists shouldn’t be expected to dress like Christmas trees (he also said US immigration officers… it’s just a high vis Ciaran). Surely a high vis is a basic given when cycling at night? I thought it was a very glib response. I drive, cycle and when I walk the dogs at night, I’ll wear a high vis coz i know as a driver, it’s harder to see people in dark clothes in the dark. I wanna be safe as a night time walker.
saggynaggy123 on
I actually have no issue with Cyclists, it’s E-Scooters that bother me. People in my area threw a fucking wobbler over cycle lanes, I drive by these lanes nearly every day and they’re not an issue at all. People are moan bags
Shot_Sport200 on
There isn’t great road use behaviour from people in this country regardless of choice of transport. when driving its a huge danger to others, when cycling its much less but somehow encourages dangerous attitudes towards all cyclists. Sounds like this judge fecking hates people who ride bikes.
SeriesDowntown5947 on
To be honest I’m very surprised how few they are outside of the city center. I really seen any around blackrock mount merrian stillorgan etc. I dont think i need classes
standard_pie314 on
I’m pleasantly surprised by the responses here. There has definitely been a change in sentiment from when these threads would be filled with people who think cyclists can do no wrong.
I’m not a driver and I regularly confront drivers who block footpaths and pedestrian crossings, so I’m not Team Motorist. But in my daily life, cyclists undoubtedly cause me more irritation than motorists. They cut through pedestrian crossings, cycle on paths, zoom past me from behind, ring their bell to get me to move when I’ve every right to be where I am… And any time you confront them, they become immediately irate.
A common response online is that you are many, many times more likely to be killed by a car than a bicycle. That is of course completely true. But it’s also a very uncivilised mindset that considers only risk of death. Also of relevance is whether pedestrians feel comfortable in areas that are supposed to be reserved for them. If you go to Capel Street, where people still stick to the footpaths even though it has been pedestrianised, you’ll see that they don’t.
VeniVidiPerditus on
Absolute dose of a judge who should be made cycle through the city a few times for a reality check. Interesting that he’s refused a breathalyser as mentioned in another comment, a very upstanding and respectable driver….
Yes, there are some insane cyclists out there, but there are also some lunatic pedestrians and drivers and they get nowhere near the vitriol. There’s some strange loathing and anger reserved especially for cyclists that I cannot fathom. Every cyclist is one less car in front of you, because the vast majority of cyclists own a car and could drive and make everyone’s commute worse.
I do think that we should have some legislation requiring every bike sold to have dynamo lights fitted as standard like they have in Germany. It would vastly reduce the numbers of people not using lights or forgetting them, or running out of battery etc.
I’d suspect there will be a clear legal requirement for a bike helmet or head protection soon if they bring it in for e-scooters and ebikes. Anyone who doesn’t like wearing a helmet can get one of those fancy new head/helmet airbags from Sweden made by Hövding.
IntrepidRock6082 on
As a driver cyclist and pedestrian I have seen bad behaviour by all. Big problem is drivers distracted by phones and cyclists and pedestrians wearing ear phones and reading their phones.
AnyAssistance4197 on
A medical professional was talking about this on Lifeline earlier. They said they’d never seen a driver hospitalised by a cyclist. A pedestrian yes, but a cyclist – no. We need to have due regard to that hierarchy of care on the road. It’s not about being right or wrong, it’s about recognising each other’s vulnerability.
All the crap about cyclist wearing helmets and high viz has been done to death. The continental experience is there, that cycling should be easy and comfortable if you want it to work – you shouldn’t need to dress up like a builder to pop down the shop. That is simply victim blaming.
As I’ve said before, lets start make all cars high viz maybe instead – sure half of them are the same colour as the road with all this black and grey.
There’s even a landmark study that drivers have less respect for cyclists with helmets and are more aggressive with them.
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>Bheilbigh added that public commentary from the judiciary “should recognise that vulnerability” facing cyclists and, furthermore, should support a “culture of care and responsibility, rather than language that risks normalising hostility toward people who choose to travel by bike”.
and some bicyclists should have a helmet and actually follow the law in term how some act on the road. i have sceen some bicyclists do some very illegal shit on the roads as a pedestrian
Here’s a wild idea: All road users should obey the rules of the road, those who don’t should be prosecuted.
A car is more dangerous to me as a pedestrian, but, crossing the road during commute times, following the green man, I am never nearly hit by a car. I am nearly hit by a bike flying through a red light a couple of times a week.
Cyclists responding like Israel to that one
If you sat in Dublin city centre at a set of lights, less than five out of 10 cyclists will wait at a red light.
From the very same judge who failed to give a roadside breath test.
[https://www.irishtimes.com/news/judge-fined-for-failing-to-comply-on-breath-test-1.544121](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/judge-fined-for-failing-to-comply-on-breath-test-1.544121)
He can go and fuck.
Surely this is the easiest appeal in legal history as they can argue the judge is clearly prejudiced against cyclists by his remarks?
I have def seen some absolute dumbass on bikes here , I say this after living somewhere with more of a biking commute culture
But holy christ , the bike infrastructure is a joke, its not consistent at all. Sometimes it’s elevated with markings, sometimes it on road level with markings , sometimes it’s road level with billards , sometimes it’s like on the road with traffic. Then different colours for these markings used … ugh . Then like half of your journey will have one section of road with no indicated bike lane . Nightmare for everyone, driver and cyclist . Best just a council having ‘one ‘ stulyle of cycling infrastructure, clear colour scheme, stick to it unless, literally the buildings squeeze things to much .
Que the people who are so concerned about cyclists safety, but can’t check a wing mirror (or indicate) to look out for said cyclist.
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I was nearly ploughed outta it on George’s St the other morning by a fella on a modified e-scooter as he came full speed at me as I crossed at the pedestrian green lights. Let roar at him..he literally wasn’t stopping! I’m pregnant, can’t move that fast anymore. He saw nothing wrong with breaking the lights when people were crossing!
I’m both a a car driver and regular cyclist but I genuinely despise the modified e-bikes and e-scooters with a passion. I know cyclists break the rules, I sometimes do for my own safety (e.g. crossing a junction when green pedestrian lights come on once it’s safe and I’m not anywhere near people crossing) but anyway, I just think those modified e-scooter and bikes attract a certain crowd who would never get on a normal bike let alone follow the ROTR.
Ciaran Cuffes response on Radio 1 this morning on being asked whether cyclists should be expected to wear hi-vis and helmets was that cyclists shouldn’t be expected to dress like Christmas trees (he also said US immigration officers… it’s just a high vis Ciaran). Surely a high vis is a basic given when cycling at night? I thought it was a very glib response. I drive, cycle and when I walk the dogs at night, I’ll wear a high vis coz i know as a driver, it’s harder to see people in dark clothes in the dark. I wanna be safe as a night time walker.
I actually have no issue with Cyclists, it’s E-Scooters that bother me. People in my area threw a fucking wobbler over cycle lanes, I drive by these lanes nearly every day and they’re not an issue at all. People are moan bags
There isn’t great road use behaviour from people in this country regardless of choice of transport. when driving its a huge danger to others, when cycling its much less but somehow encourages dangerous attitudes towards all cyclists. Sounds like this judge fecking hates people who ride bikes.
To be honest I’m very surprised how few they are outside of the city center. I really seen any around blackrock mount merrian stillorgan etc. I dont think i need classes
I’m pleasantly surprised by the responses here. There has definitely been a change in sentiment from when these threads would be filled with people who think cyclists can do no wrong.
I’m not a driver and I regularly confront drivers who block footpaths and pedestrian crossings, so I’m not Team Motorist. But in my daily life, cyclists undoubtedly cause me more irritation than motorists. They cut through pedestrian crossings, cycle on paths, zoom past me from behind, ring their bell to get me to move when I’ve every right to be where I am… And any time you confront them, they become immediately irate.
A common response online is that you are many, many times more likely to be killed by a car than a bicycle. That is of course completely true. But it’s also a very uncivilised mindset that considers only risk of death. Also of relevance is whether pedestrians feel comfortable in areas that are supposed to be reserved for them. If you go to Capel Street, where people still stick to the footpaths even though it has been pedestrianised, you’ll see that they don’t.
Absolute dose of a judge who should be made cycle through the city a few times for a reality check. Interesting that he’s refused a breathalyser as mentioned in another comment, a very upstanding and respectable driver….
Yes, there are some insane cyclists out there, but there are also some lunatic pedestrians and drivers and they get nowhere near the vitriol. There’s some strange loathing and anger reserved especially for cyclists that I cannot fathom. Every cyclist is one less car in front of you, because the vast majority of cyclists own a car and could drive and make everyone’s commute worse.
I do think that we should have some legislation requiring every bike sold to have dynamo lights fitted as standard like they have in Germany. It would vastly reduce the numbers of people not using lights or forgetting them, or running out of battery etc.
I’d suspect there will be a clear legal requirement for a bike helmet or head protection soon if they bring it in for e-scooters and ebikes. Anyone who doesn’t like wearing a helmet can get one of those fancy new head/helmet airbags from Sweden made by Hövding.
As a driver cyclist and pedestrian I have seen bad behaviour by all. Big problem is drivers distracted by phones and cyclists and pedestrians wearing ear phones and reading their phones.
A medical professional was talking about this on Lifeline earlier. They said they’d never seen a driver hospitalised by a cyclist. A pedestrian yes, but a cyclist – no. We need to have due regard to that hierarchy of care on the road. It’s not about being right or wrong, it’s about recognising each other’s vulnerability.
All the crap about cyclist wearing helmets and high viz has been done to death. The continental experience is there, that cycling should be easy and comfortable if you want it to work – you shouldn’t need to dress up like a builder to pop down the shop. That is simply victim blaming.
As I’ve said before, lets start make all cars high viz maybe instead – sure half of them are the same colour as the road with all this black and grey.
There’s even a landmark study that drivers have less respect for cyclists with helmets and are more aggressive with them.
[https://urbancyclinginstitute.substack.com/p/why-isnt-there-consensus-unpacking](https://urbancyclinginstitute.substack.com/p/why-isnt-there-consensus-unpacking)