Why are you treating liechtenstein like its invisible!
redmabelgrade on
Minor decrease. Still too much tourism in Dublin for it to be healthy or sustainable. Id love to see it drop by more. They say it makes us money but the sector pays fuck all and is increasingly dominated by a few extremely wealthy players.
Banania2020 on
Not to worry, the reduced 9% VAT rate for Tourism and Hospitality will solve that 🙄
mweeelrea on
Might stop gouging so much now. Maybe not
Bredius88 on
Those are only **estimates**!
Must be hard to tell the truth for a change…
tompaulman on
Yet everything that is being built in Dublin seem to be hotels.
National_Play_6851 on
Interesting that this contrasts with Dublin Airport reporting a 5% rise in passengers. I guess that can just account for more Irish people taking more holidays.
I had a look at the actual data set (below the chart in the original link) which has the spreadsheet of numbers and most figures for ireland were marked “estimate” or “low reliability”. It doesn’t explain why they’re low reliability or how they’re estimated, but the margin for error is probably more than the 2% drop seen.
No-Golf8130 on
Does this include AirBNB’s or is it just traditional Accomodation?
jamscrying on
A hidden economic cost of wildly expensive hotel accommodation is the increased costs of doing business that either result in costs being passed on or business being done elsewhere.
Engineering/construction projects don’t usually get done just by locals who live within a commute of the worksite but rather by experts/specialists that go from project to project, the increased expense of accommodation gets passed on into the price of things and negatively affects development.
NocturneFogg on
It’s extremely expensive and has a high % of US visitors who are seeing a massive drop in their spending power due to the weak Dollar Vs Euro at the moment.
Both the UK and EU markets are not likely to want to over spend at the moment either – a lot of economic uncertainty.
Our hotel costs are way too high and so are other things like Irish car rental etc are up there with Switzerland and Norway.
It’s gone from being similar pricing to the UK to similar pricing to the most expensive places in Europe in the last few years.
Even domestic tourism is horrible value. We looked at renting a holiday home last year for a family break with my dad who wanted something chilled out, and instead went to Western France as it was way way better value and quality at the price for a villa.
I’m not convinced Ireland is offering value in the sense that it’s an interesting place but it’s not the Alps or something.
I’d also an that Dublin is getting itself a bad rep online – it’s being seen as a bit dirty and rough yet that’s the key destination for EU based tourism. I keep seeing it being put in the same category as Brussels, which also gets that rep. It needs a serious look at itself or we need to stop over hyping it and focusing tourism in more attractive places.
Irish internet commentary is also highly visible and we tend to make out that the place is a billion times worse than it is too, which isn’t helping and it’s layered with our slagging culture of laying into various places but particularly the cities.
Supply and demand will fix it – tourism will just slump.
SeriesDowntown5947 on
Cheap hotels are gone air b and b are.less. what’s.left exspensive .hotels. I dont see the surprise. Healy.ray won’t be.
AtraVenator on
I’m baffled why anyone come here for tourism. Like to see what? Grey skies?
bringinsexyback1 on
It’s expensive and not worth it, simple. Also, non-EU residents living in the EU, mostly need an extra Irish visa to come to the island because Ireland is not part of the Schengen region. I know it doesn’t necessarily relate to the nights spent in hotels, but that kind of tourism would increase as well if Ireland was more accessible for non EU residents in the Schengen region.
stuyboi888 on
Ohh no, we better lobby to have the VAT decreased and increase our prices to stop the decline
blowins on
I don’t know what this graph is telling me.
Is it availability of beds? Average nights spent in a single visit? Average nights per year. Average domestic stays?
Acceptable_Hope_6475 on
Little to no accommodation left
fensterdj on
Don’t worry about it, the hotels are full of homeless people and asylum seekers, so they’re getting paid either way
CurrencyDesperate286 on
It is worth flagging that, as with a lot of data produced in this country, I’d have some misgivings about this data for Ireland. Irish tourism numbers are based on a random survey at the airports and extrapolation (i.s. They ask a small sample of people if they’re a foreign tourist and then just estimate total figures of that).
In most European countries, tourists need to be registered by their accommodation, and that’s where the figures come from. That can miss tourists staying with friends or family, but it is more likely to give a stable picture over time.
The CSO also changed their methodology a couple years back in 2023 which means you can’t compare the figures from now and before 2023. Which doesn’t stop people comparing them and seeing a colossal drop in the post-covid figures even though we know the numbers aren’t comparable.
I’m not surprised if our numbers are dropping, but also I don’t have huge trust in the numbers.
RobotIcHead on
I read a recent column and one point the writer made that the number of liquidation/business closures in hospitality sector did not increase massively last year. If the sector was in trouble that figure should be going up.
I am curious if it is still difficult to get a hotel room in city centre Dublin on a weekend?
However I do think the costs of everything increased so much in recent years including for business that they have little choice but to pass the costs onto consumers.
Professional_Elk_489 on
I wonder if the govt capped Guinness prices at 5 EUR for a year would that help
justbecauseyoumademe on
I have family in the Netherlands,
For 2 nights in Utrecht or Rotterdam including flight’s i will be hard pressed to find a single night in a hotel in the nearby vicinity of Dublin
Even in the small town where i live in ireland.. the hotel here is close to a 175 euro a fucking night
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https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/en/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20260116-1
Why are you treating liechtenstein like its invisible!
Minor decrease. Still too much tourism in Dublin for it to be healthy or sustainable. Id love to see it drop by more. They say it makes us money but the sector pays fuck all and is increasingly dominated by a few extremely wealthy players.
Not to worry, the reduced 9% VAT rate for Tourism and Hospitality will solve that 🙄
Might stop gouging so much now. Maybe not
Those are only **estimates**!
Must be hard to tell the truth for a change…
Yet everything that is being built in Dublin seem to be hotels.
Interesting that this contrasts with Dublin Airport reporting a 5% rise in passengers. I guess that can just account for more Irish people taking more holidays.
I had a look at the actual data set (below the chart in the original link) which has the spreadsheet of numbers and most figures for ireland were marked “estimate” or “low reliability”. It doesn’t explain why they’re low reliability or how they’re estimated, but the margin for error is probably more than the 2% drop seen.
Does this include AirBNB’s or is it just traditional Accomodation?
A hidden economic cost of wildly expensive hotel accommodation is the increased costs of doing business that either result in costs being passed on or business being done elsewhere.
Engineering/construction projects don’t usually get done just by locals who live within a commute of the worksite but rather by experts/specialists that go from project to project, the increased expense of accommodation gets passed on into the price of things and negatively affects development.
It’s extremely expensive and has a high % of US visitors who are seeing a massive drop in their spending power due to the weak Dollar Vs Euro at the moment.
Both the UK and EU markets are not likely to want to over spend at the moment either – a lot of economic uncertainty.
Our hotel costs are way too high and so are other things like Irish car rental etc are up there with Switzerland and Norway.
It’s gone from being similar pricing to the UK to similar pricing to the most expensive places in Europe in the last few years.
Even domestic tourism is horrible value. We looked at renting a holiday home last year for a family break with my dad who wanted something chilled out, and instead went to Western France as it was way way better value and quality at the price for a villa.
I’m not convinced Ireland is offering value in the sense that it’s an interesting place but it’s not the Alps or something.
I’d also an that Dublin is getting itself a bad rep online – it’s being seen as a bit dirty and rough yet that’s the key destination for EU based tourism. I keep seeing it being put in the same category as Brussels, which also gets that rep. It needs a serious look at itself or we need to stop over hyping it and focusing tourism in more attractive places.
Irish internet commentary is also highly visible and we tend to make out that the place is a billion times worse than it is too, which isn’t helping and it’s layered with our slagging culture of laying into various places but particularly the cities.
Supply and demand will fix it – tourism will just slump.
Cheap hotels are gone air b and b are.less. what’s.left exspensive .hotels. I dont see the surprise. Healy.ray won’t be.
I’m baffled why anyone come here for tourism. Like to see what? Grey skies?
It’s expensive and not worth it, simple. Also, non-EU residents living in the EU, mostly need an extra Irish visa to come to the island because Ireland is not part of the Schengen region. I know it doesn’t necessarily relate to the nights spent in hotels, but that kind of tourism would increase as well if Ireland was more accessible for non EU residents in the Schengen region.
Ohh no, we better lobby to have the VAT decreased and increase our prices to stop the decline
I don’t know what this graph is telling me.
Is it availability of beds? Average nights spent in a single visit? Average nights per year. Average domestic stays?
Little to no accommodation left
Don’t worry about it, the hotels are full of homeless people and asylum seekers, so they’re getting paid either way
It is worth flagging that, as with a lot of data produced in this country, I’d have some misgivings about this data for Ireland. Irish tourism numbers are based on a random survey at the airports and extrapolation (i.s. They ask a small sample of people if they’re a foreign tourist and then just estimate total figures of that).
In most European countries, tourists need to be registered by their accommodation, and that’s where the figures come from. That can miss tourists staying with friends or family, but it is more likely to give a stable picture over time.
The CSO also changed their methodology a couple years back in 2023 which means you can’t compare the figures from now and before 2023. Which doesn’t stop people comparing them and seeing a colossal drop in the post-covid figures even though we know the numbers aren’t comparable.
I’m not surprised if our numbers are dropping, but also I don’t have huge trust in the numbers.
I read a recent column and one point the writer made that the number of liquidation/business closures in hospitality sector did not increase massively last year. If the sector was in trouble that figure should be going up.
I am curious if it is still difficult to get a hotel room in city centre Dublin on a weekend?
However I do think the costs of everything increased so much in recent years including for business that they have little choice but to pass the costs onto consumers.
I wonder if the govt capped Guinness prices at 5 EUR for a year would that help
I have family in the Netherlands,
For 2 nights in Utrecht or Rotterdam including flight’s i will be hard pressed to find a single night in a hotel in the nearby vicinity of Dublin
Even in the small town where i live in ireland.. the hotel here is close to a 175 euro a fucking night