So…..we’ve come from depending on RuzZtard gas to depending on the Yankees. How about we make nice things here on our own soil and make sure no other Dictatorship has leverage on us?
NO TO MAKING DEALS WITH CHINA EITHER!
MrGasDaddy on
Ironically at the beheast of the US and its greed. Time to cut the cancer out.
Razkaii on
No shit. Now get serious. Start investing in European only and stop buying F35s and acting like trump will go away and everything will go back to normal
No_Cucumber3978 on
Well, I guess that’s one way to get people to stop talking about your, alleged, crimes against children and young woman.
One_Alternative_6965 on
No its not. The goal of the EU isn’t war and destruction.
There I said it
Major-Practice2529 on
The number one enemy and greatest threat to Europe is not Russia (they can’t even defeat a weakened Ukraine) but the Americans, who have us by the balls and can hurt us in a way Russia couldn’t even dream
It’s time to wake up to this fact:
See what a French president said in the 1990s.
Mitterrand said: “France does not know it, but we are at war with America. Yes, a permanent war, a vital war, an economic war, a war without apparent death. Yes, the Americans are very tough, they are voracious, they want unchallenged power over the world. It is an unknown war, a permanent war, apparently without death, and yet a war to the death.” In the fukin 90′
person1549 on
Sky is blue
bklor on
Europes dependence on the US is a weakness but
a) Europe is downplaying its strength. Europeans speak as if we are completely useless. We have to speak with more confidence. Even if its a bit of “fake it till you make it”.
b) The fatal flaw and most challenging problem is Europe being fragmented. We don’t trust each other and we don’t share the same threat assessment.
It’s way too easy for our enemies to drive a wedge between us. And if we’re unable to act as a cohesive force then we’re obviously much easier to handle.
DeRpY_CUCUMBER on
Europe’s has many security problems.
1., it’s too morality based, and not strategically based. You close down your nuclear plants, shun fracking, and instead become dependent on cheap Russia energy. Strategically, this was a moronic policy.
2. , your populations have gotten used to very good social programs. If you want to build a real European army, you are going to have to continuously spend a shit ton of money for upkeeping equipment that will barely ever get used. With Europe’s population pyramid the way it is, eventually you’ll have to choose military or social program spending.
It wasn’t too many years ago that Europeans were making fun of Americans wasting money on military instead of economics.
3. Europe is a continent trying to larp as a country. There are too many differing opinions and interests and everyone gets a vote. Consensus building is extremely hard. When there is a real military crisis, Europe’s red tape and bureaucracy will prevent the continent from any real and timely response. Basically you’d lose the war before you even got started.
4. The continent is full of do gooders and finger wavers. It doesn’t matter how strong you build your military or how many nukes Europe has, NO ONE believes Europe would ever use it. The Irish would never agree on Europe nuking anyone. If no one fears you, no one respects you.
5. Young Europeans do not want to serve in the military. I was reading a poll from Germany a while ago that showed a large majority of young people would not fight to defend their country, even if it was invaded. They don’t want to serve in”die in some ditch”
The alliance with the US hid all of these problems. The US could be the one to get its hands dirty, and do the morally reprehensible things to keep the west on top. Without the US, Europe will be weaker and need to fight harder to stay relevant. That means funding and fighting proxy wars all over the globe. It means partnering with shady countries like Saudi Arabia. It means spying, cheating, stealing.I don’t think yall have the stomach for this shit.
Sorry but Europe will never again be a great power. Your centuries of domination are far past you.
DABOSSROSS9 on
Why do you guys always turn these stories into Fuck the US, instead of, ya maybe we made mistakes in the past but we should do better now. I understand trump has given solid reasons, but many comments make it seem like you blame the US for the past 90 years of your problems.
Several-Ad-6958 on
That dependence started the moment they all kept quiet about Nordstream and then subsequently shifted supply exclusively from the USA. That’s not going to change no matter what this MEP or anyone else says…
No-Risk-2584 on
Even if Trump drops dead (likely) and is replaced by a less insane president, I hope we’ve learnt our lesson and don’t go running back to America and instead keep focusing on building up European arms industries and general European products/services.
We need to realise that only Europe can be relied on to protect Europe, and our dependency on America means they literally have us by the balls that they can twist anytime.
Emergency_Link7328 on
And US security problem is extensive dependence on our money.
Stop buying US debt. They will never be able or have intentions to repay anyway. Stop the American freeloading.
mariuszmie on
The problem is America lulled Europe into being a passive customer- and in the process America keeps all the profit, the tech, the infrastructure the hard power and the influence
All Europe was is a customer who has no control over what they purchase, 0 influence 0 power 0 research and tech and 0 profit
Illustrious-Rush8797 on
I have an optimistic (probably unjustified) view. This is like when you fight with a BF/GF and each party threatens to break up. You can break up. But another way is that both parties stop taking the other party for granted in the relationship and they gain a new perspective. What has this thing been on for like almost 100 years for post WWII relationship.
That’s a long time and both parties got too comfortable with each other and take the other side for granted. I personally feel that this aside, the relationship is valuable enough for both sides to come back together. Both parties get a lot out of it. Otherwise in a break up it’s really Russia and china that win. Can you imagine the celebration that Russia will have if tomorrow they saw NATO ended? That would make their invasion of Ukriane 1000000000% worth it. No doubt about it at all.
The other side of this is if there is a breakup I think both sides will be fine. It will go back to pre WWII with each party separate from each other and trying to influence in their own sphere and deal with problems in their own sphere.
k4kkul4pio on
Then fix that by unifying instead of bending the knee to the incredibly corrupt America?
Nothing will change unless Europe is willing to change, to come together and show that stronger together still applies, just without Diaper Don’s America.
hotpotcurry on
Daddy actually cares about me when he’s not abusing me
Normal-Stick6437 on
In italian comic strip “Alan Ford” during the blizzard titular character ,Alan Ford, says to his buddy Bob Rock “Look its snowing” to which Bob replies “Great observation… you should have been named Alan Columbo”
Imagine pushing for half-a-decade of economic globalisation and then realising you have no control over your domestic and regional economies…..
amcape30 on
Russia got one thing right, they armed to the teeth for years and the US is shit scared of them, what us westerners done was rely on an allie who has just spat in the face of every rule of the UN Charter, they have used their power to threaten the only countries in the world who have continually stood by them. It is in our hands to change this. Boycott America and all their products, boycott the world Cup, freeze Trumps assets and use the funds of these frozen assets to help Greenland and their people prepare for this piece of shit invading. Those of you in America who still support this raging lunatic should be utterly ashamed of yourselves. Your greed will be your demise.
WW3_doomer on
Main problem is fragmentation of the EU.
Both of big three troublemakers are authoritarian or soon-to-be authoritarian regimes with strong “federal” government. They all speak the same language, they all have same media coverage, they are monolithic countries with single identity.
The EU is not even a loose federation, it’s just some overblown trade union. It has the numbers to compete, but it doesn’t have the unity required to play the geopolitical game.
Can it be changed? It can. But I really skeptical about any European country that will willingly accept to give more power to the EU. Everyone wants to be king in his own kingdom.
Data_Nerd85 on
Develop a joint nuclear weapons program … some of the brightest minds are from Europe, develop a quality armed forces, and we’ll be fine.
Fuzzy-Shape-1601 on
water is wet
LPhilippeB on
Europe needs to make more nuclear weapons than Russia.
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So…..we’ve come from depending on RuzZtard gas to depending on the Yankees. How about we make nice things here on our own soil and make sure no other Dictatorship has leverage on us?
NO TO MAKING DEALS WITH CHINA EITHER!
Ironically at the beheast of the US and its greed. Time to cut the cancer out.
No shit. Now get serious. Start investing in European only and stop buying F35s and acting like trump will go away and everything will go back to normal
Well, I guess that’s one way to get people to stop talking about your, alleged, crimes against children and young woman.
No its not. The goal of the EU isn’t war and destruction.
There I said it
The number one enemy and greatest threat to Europe is not Russia (they can’t even defeat a weakened Ukraine) but the Americans, who have us by the balls and can hurt us in a way Russia couldn’t even dream
It’s time to wake up to this fact:
See what a French president said in the 1990s.
Mitterrand said: “France does not know it, but we are at war with America. Yes, a permanent war, a vital war, an economic war, a war without apparent death. Yes, the Americans are very tough, they are voracious, they want unchallenged power over the world. It is an unknown war, a permanent war, apparently without death, and yet a war to the death.” In the fukin 90′
Sky is blue
Europes dependence on the US is a weakness but
a) Europe is downplaying its strength. Europeans speak as if we are completely useless. We have to speak with more confidence. Even if its a bit of “fake it till you make it”.
b) The fatal flaw and most challenging problem is Europe being fragmented. We don’t trust each other and we don’t share the same threat assessment.
It’s way too easy for our enemies to drive a wedge between us. And if we’re unable to act as a cohesive force then we’re obviously much easier to handle.
Europe’s has many security problems.
1., it’s too morality based, and not strategically based. You close down your nuclear plants, shun fracking, and instead become dependent on cheap Russia energy. Strategically, this was a moronic policy.
2. , your populations have gotten used to very good social programs. If you want to build a real European army, you are going to have to continuously spend a shit ton of money for upkeeping equipment that will barely ever get used. With Europe’s population pyramid the way it is, eventually you’ll have to choose military or social program spending.
It wasn’t too many years ago that Europeans were making fun of Americans wasting money on military instead of economics.
3. Europe is a continent trying to larp as a country. There are too many differing opinions and interests and everyone gets a vote. Consensus building is extremely hard. When there is a real military crisis, Europe’s red tape and bureaucracy will prevent the continent from any real and timely response. Basically you’d lose the war before you even got started.
4. The continent is full of do gooders and finger wavers. It doesn’t matter how strong you build your military or how many nukes Europe has, NO ONE believes Europe would ever use it. The Irish would never agree on Europe nuking anyone. If no one fears you, no one respects you.
5. Young Europeans do not want to serve in the military. I was reading a poll from Germany a while ago that showed a large majority of young people would not fight to defend their country, even if it was invaded. They don’t want to serve in”die in some ditch”
The alliance with the US hid all of these problems. The US could be the one to get its hands dirty, and do the morally reprehensible things to keep the west on top. Without the US, Europe will be weaker and need to fight harder to stay relevant. That means funding and fighting proxy wars all over the globe. It means partnering with shady countries like Saudi Arabia. It means spying, cheating, stealing.I don’t think yall have the stomach for this shit.
Sorry but Europe will never again be a great power. Your centuries of domination are far past you.
Why do you guys always turn these stories into Fuck the US, instead of, ya maybe we made mistakes in the past but we should do better now. I understand trump has given solid reasons, but many comments make it seem like you blame the US for the past 90 years of your problems.
That dependence started the moment they all kept quiet about Nordstream and then subsequently shifted supply exclusively from the USA. That’s not going to change no matter what this MEP or anyone else says…
Even if Trump drops dead (likely) and is replaced by a less insane president, I hope we’ve learnt our lesson and don’t go running back to America and instead keep focusing on building up European arms industries and general European products/services.
We need to realise that only Europe can be relied on to protect Europe, and our dependency on America means they literally have us by the balls that they can twist anytime.
And US security problem is extensive dependence on our money.
Stop buying US debt. They will never be able or have intentions to repay anyway. Stop the American freeloading.
The problem is America lulled Europe into being a passive customer- and in the process America keeps all the profit, the tech, the infrastructure the hard power and the influence
All Europe was is a customer who has no control over what they purchase, 0 influence 0 power 0 research and tech and 0 profit
I have an optimistic (probably unjustified) view. This is like when you fight with a BF/GF and each party threatens to break up. You can break up. But another way is that both parties stop taking the other party for granted in the relationship and they gain a new perspective. What has this thing been on for like almost 100 years for post WWII relationship.
That’s a long time and both parties got too comfortable with each other and take the other side for granted. I personally feel that this aside, the relationship is valuable enough for both sides to come back together. Both parties get a lot out of it. Otherwise in a break up it’s really Russia and china that win. Can you imagine the celebration that Russia will have if tomorrow they saw NATO ended? That would make their invasion of Ukriane 1000000000% worth it. No doubt about it at all.
The other side of this is if there is a breakup I think both sides will be fine. It will go back to pre WWII with each party separate from each other and trying to influence in their own sphere and deal with problems in their own sphere.
Then fix that by unifying instead of bending the knee to the incredibly corrupt America?
Nothing will change unless Europe is willing to change, to come together and show that stronger together still applies, just without Diaper Don’s America.
Daddy actually cares about me when he’s not abusing me
In italian comic strip “Alan Ford” during the blizzard titular character ,Alan Ford, says to his buddy Bob Rock “Look its snowing” to which Bob replies “Great observation… you should have been named Alan Columbo”
The words of a Greenlander. “You can not trust that dog”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMPe_e-WRMk
Imagine pushing for half-a-decade of economic globalisation and then realising you have no control over your domestic and regional economies…..
Russia got one thing right, they armed to the teeth for years and the US is shit scared of them, what us westerners done was rely on an allie who has just spat in the face of every rule of the UN Charter, they have used their power to threaten the only countries in the world who have continually stood by them. It is in our hands to change this. Boycott America and all their products, boycott the world Cup, freeze Trumps assets and use the funds of these frozen assets to help Greenland and their people prepare for this piece of shit invading. Those of you in America who still support this raging lunatic should be utterly ashamed of yourselves. Your greed will be your demise.
Main problem is fragmentation of the EU.
Both of big three troublemakers are authoritarian or soon-to-be authoritarian regimes with strong “federal” government. They all speak the same language, they all have same media coverage, they are monolithic countries with single identity.
The EU is not even a loose federation, it’s just some overblown trade union. It has the numbers to compete, but it doesn’t have the unity required to play the geopolitical game.
Can it be changed? It can. But I really skeptical about any European country that will willingly accept to give more power to the EU. Everyone wants to be king in his own kingdom.
Develop a joint nuclear weapons program … some of the brightest minds are from Europe, develop a quality armed forces, and we’ll be fine.
water is wet
Europe needs to make more nuclear weapons than Russia.