There were no Thracians anymore, there were only Roman citizens. But many had died in plagues and invasions which allowed the Slavs to migrate into the Balkans. Large swathes of land were probably desolate.
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By the time Bulgarians got to thrace the thratian race had almost gone extinct. The region was primarily inhabited by slavs and byzantines by the time Asparuh came.
monkeysnipe on
The Thracians were assimilated by the Romans first, whatever was left of them, was gradually absorbed by the Bulgar and Slavic tribes after the Bulgarian country was formed. There was no Thracian extermination.
peggingsloth on
When the Bulgars arrived south of the Danube, there was a population of Slavic tribes. It is considered that what was left of the Thracians was dissolved into the Slavic tribes, along with some Greek blood.
Don’t listen to idiots who claim that the Bulgars were Thracians. Contemporary sources clearly describe Bulgars and we have clear depictions of Thracians and they are nothing alike.
peev22 on
Did the Neanderthals all die, or we fucked and now they are part of us?
PlamenIB on
We give them Bulgarian passports
4efo_doggie on
When the Roman Empire Conquered The balkans, most of the balkans were Helenized, so the thracians started speaking Greek (and Latin)
after the fall of the Roman Empire, Thrace was In the hands of Byzantine, speaking greek
after that the Slavs came and many of them begin living in the Thracian lands
after that the Bulgars came and took control over lands full with Slavs and Helenized thracians
During the first Bulgarian kingdom all Slavs, Thracians and the Bulgars mixed, and created the Bulgarian ethnicity, they were all asimilated under the Slavic language of the Slavs in the Kingdom
Rock_Zeppelin on
Thracians had already been largely romanized by the time the Slavic tribes settled the Balkans. I’m sure aspects of their culture survived as the Roman empire was multicultural to some degree and then over time the remnants of that culture melded with Slavic and Greco-Byzantine culture and so on and so on.
upsidedown_llama on
In Thrace, they still identify as Thracian today
LibertyChecked28 on
They took off with the Goturk Space ships, because clearly a multi-ethnic kingdom established on mutual cooperation with the locals doesn’t sit right with the Middle Eastern customs that refuse to accept any reality outside of “sacred” ehtnic-driven slavery, and full scale ethnic purges.
nidorancxo on
I actually recently read quite an in-depth book on the first Bulgarian tsardom from its very foundation. The thracians had long been assimilated into the Roman Empire, becoming what would be called either just Greek (Greek speaking) or vlach (Latin speaking to the north of the Balkan mountains). At the time the Slavs came to the Balkans, they did not replace the original Roman citizens and we actually don’t have so much shared DNA with the Slavic countries to the north. They assimilated the former Roman citizens in the Balkans in the regions where Roman rule had already been basically non-existent, because their more „primitive“ way of life was more suited for survival in this environment. The Bulgars, coming from Asia, have almost negligible contributions to the Genetic pool, but with their arrival they became the ruling minority and united the region in the country we know as Bulgaria. When Slavic was chosen to be the official language of the country at the time of its Christianisation, this further promoted the assimilation of the different peoples into what we nowadays call Bulgarian, just like the Roman Empire had once turned them into Latin or Greek speaking Romans. So, basically, we are the Thracians.
Elbowed_In_The_Face on
If you’re talking about when Bulgaria was first founded (on the Balkans, at least), then the Thracians were long gone as a culture by that point. So no, I’m pretty sure we didn’t “kill them”. They and the Ancient Greeks were conquered by the Roman empire for centuries, then it split and here it became the Byzantine Empire, which was Orthodox Christian, so whatever was left of any pagan Thracian or Greek cultures was gone for good by the time Slavs and Bulgars arrived.
It’s… complicated, but generally, by then “Thracia” was little more than a name of a place.
The Romans killed a lot of the Thracians to “pacify” the region, but over the next several hundred years most Thracians became romanized to some degree. Then came the 5-6th century, and things were decidedly shitty for a good while.
The Goths migrated in the 4th century, and while sometimes it was peaceful, often enough it wasn’t for anyone living around.
Then, in the fifth century, it was the Huns. They were not peaceful, the Eastern Roman Empire eventually iirc paid them a lot of money to go somewhere else, a lot of people in their way were killed, enslaved, pushed out, and so on. You know how Sofia was called Serdica for a while? Well, Serdica was a pretty well-off and important city until the 5th century, then the Huns happened and then Serdica wasn’t a city.
Then the Goths returned for a while.
Then you have a massive plague. It is debatable just how many millions of people were killed in the Justinianic plague, but we are talking about millions – and the economic impact alone is believed to have been a big part of why the conquests in Italy and Africa were halted.
Then you have a long cold period which messed up a lot of harvests, causing famine and depopulating some regions. As a secondary effect, it meant a lot people in northern areas – like the Slavs – had to move south or starve.
Then you have the Slavs coming over and staking claims, occasionally coming in conflict with anyone left around, but it was only occasionally because in a lot of places people had just up and left. But they would also attack plenty of places, too. You know how after the Huns, Serdica (Sofia) was rebuilt and renamed Triaditsa? Well, the slavs might have sacked it once or twice.
Meanwhile, the emperors in Constantinople were often busy with Persia, because, well, Persia is a massive power, the Slavs are some dumb hicks settling in places that the Empire only loosely controlled.
That was all before Asparukh decided that yeah, Moesia looks like free real estate. By then, there had not been a Thracian state, even as a Roman vassal, for some 700 years and the influx of a dozen other ethnicities and cultures and a sweeping Christianization had left little “Thracian” except the name of the place.
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The notion that Bulgars were some kind of genocidal maniacs is bizarre
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Bulgarians are Thracian.Â
There were no Thracians anymore, there were only Roman citizens. But many had died in plagues and invasions which allowed the Slavs to migrate into the Balkans. Large swathes of land were probably desolate.
By the time Bulgarians got to thrace the thratian race had almost gone extinct. The region was primarily inhabited by slavs and byzantines by the time Asparuh came.
The Thracians were assimilated by the Romans first, whatever was left of them, was gradually absorbed by the Bulgar and Slavic tribes after the Bulgarian country was formed. There was no Thracian extermination.
When the Bulgars arrived south of the Danube, there was a population of Slavic tribes. It is considered that what was left of the Thracians was dissolved into the Slavic tribes, along with some Greek blood.
Don’t listen to idiots who claim that the Bulgars were Thracians. Contemporary sources clearly describe Bulgars and we have clear depictions of Thracians and they are nothing alike.
Did the Neanderthals all die, or we fucked and now they are part of us?
We give them Bulgarian passports
When the Roman Empire Conquered The balkans, most of the balkans were Helenized, so the thracians started speaking Greek (and Latin)
after the fall of the Roman Empire, Thrace was In the hands of Byzantine, speaking greek
after that the Slavs came and many of them begin living in the Thracian lands
after that the Bulgars came and took control over lands full with Slavs and Helenized thracians
During the first Bulgarian kingdom all Slavs, Thracians and the Bulgars mixed, and created the Bulgarian ethnicity, they were all asimilated under the Slavic language of the Slavs in the Kingdom
Thracians had already been largely romanized by the time the Slavic tribes settled the Balkans. I’m sure aspects of their culture survived as the Roman empire was multicultural to some degree and then over time the remnants of that culture melded with Slavic and Greco-Byzantine culture and so on and so on.
In Thrace, they still identify as Thracian today
They took off with the Goturk Space ships, because clearly a multi-ethnic kingdom established on mutual cooperation with the locals doesn’t sit right with the Middle Eastern customs that refuse to accept any reality outside of “sacred” ehtnic-driven slavery, and full scale ethnic purges.
I actually recently read quite an in-depth book on the first Bulgarian tsardom from its very foundation. The thracians had long been assimilated into the Roman Empire, becoming what would be called either just Greek (Greek speaking) or vlach (Latin speaking to the north of the Balkan mountains). At the time the Slavs came to the Balkans, they did not replace the original Roman citizens and we actually don’t have so much shared DNA with the Slavic countries to the north. They assimilated the former Roman citizens in the Balkans in the regions where Roman rule had already been basically non-existent, because their more „primitive“ way of life was more suited for survival in this environment. The Bulgars, coming from Asia, have almost negligible contributions to the Genetic pool, but with their arrival they became the ruling minority and united the region in the country we know as Bulgaria. When Slavic was chosen to be the official language of the country at the time of its Christianisation, this further promoted the assimilation of the different peoples into what we nowadays call Bulgarian, just like the Roman Empire had once turned them into Latin or Greek speaking Romans. So, basically, we are the Thracians.
If you’re talking about when Bulgaria was first founded (on the Balkans, at least), then the Thracians were long gone as a culture by that point. So no, I’m pretty sure we didn’t “kill them”. They and the Ancient Greeks were conquered by the Roman empire for centuries, then it split and here it became the Byzantine Empire, which was Orthodox Christian, so whatever was left of any pagan Thracian or Greek cultures was gone for good by the time Slavs and Bulgars arrived.
That’s really funny because I recently read this: [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323839943_A_genetic_analysis_of_the_people_currently_inhabiting_the_country_of_Bulgaria](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323839943_A_genetic_analysis_of_the_people_currently_inhabiting_the_country_of_Bulgaria)
It’s… complicated, but generally, by then “Thracia” was little more than a name of a place.
The Romans killed a lot of the Thracians to “pacify” the region, but over the next several hundred years most Thracians became romanized to some degree. Then came the 5-6th century, and things were decidedly shitty for a good while.
The Goths migrated in the 4th century, and while sometimes it was peaceful, often enough it wasn’t for anyone living around.
Then, in the fifth century, it was the Huns. They were not peaceful, the Eastern Roman Empire eventually iirc paid them a lot of money to go somewhere else, a lot of people in their way were killed, enslaved, pushed out, and so on. You know how Sofia was called Serdica for a while? Well, Serdica was a pretty well-off and important city until the 5th century, then the Huns happened and then Serdica wasn’t a city.
Then the Goths returned for a while.
Then you have a massive plague. It is debatable just how many millions of people were killed in the Justinianic plague, but we are talking about millions – and the economic impact alone is believed to have been a big part of why the conquests in Italy and Africa were halted.
Then you have a long cold period which messed up a lot of harvests, causing famine and depopulating some regions. As a secondary effect, it meant a lot people in northern areas – like the Slavs – had to move south or starve.
Then you have the Slavs coming over and staking claims, occasionally coming in conflict with anyone left around, but it was only occasionally because in a lot of places people had just up and left. But they would also attack plenty of places, too. You know how after the Huns, Serdica (Sofia) was rebuilt and renamed Triaditsa? Well, the slavs might have sacked it once or twice.
Meanwhile, the emperors in Constantinople were often busy with Persia, because, well, Persia is a massive power, the Slavs are some dumb hicks settling in places that the Empire only loosely controlled.
That was all before Asparukh decided that yeah, Moesia looks like free real estate. By then, there had not been a Thracian state, even as a Roman vassal, for some 700 years and the influx of a dozen other ethnicities and cultures and a sweeping Christianization had left little “Thracian” except the name of the place.
The notion that Bulgars were some kind of genocidal maniacs is bizarre