Nothing, assimilation, most of south slavic countries (except Slovenia) are mixed with paleo-balkanic people. So we were multi-cultural and multiethnic society way before become a thing in USA or western Europe 😀
_StreetStyle_ on
It’s not like they vanished, they mixed with the Slavs for centuries, and what you see today are not purely Slavic Serbs. In many of them the indigenous genetic component is dominant.
Papa_smurf_7528 on
Serbs already lived there when their cousins migrated
Ok_Birthday_6931 on
Killed and/or integrated in Serbs.
Same as anyone before them.
Protobugarin on
Then first g*nocide against Albanians occurred.
One of 100+
InterestingTime8696 on
This feels more like a statement than a question. But anyway let me answer. This was basically all Albania, and about 2000 years ago many new nations started existing on this land like todays Croatia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Bosnia, Serbia, Greece etc. Albanians were very patient during the first 2000 years but now they think its enough and they want to reclaim their native land.
DryEggplant259 on
OP, in ancient and early medieval times there weren’t any literal nations migrating from one place to another. It was mostly members of a warrior elite plus a couple of their followers and they wouldn’t number more than a couple of hundreds, maybe thousands of people. When they came to the Balkans they started lording over the peasants who were already living there and were the overwhelming majority of the population
Loife1 on
Why do you think Serbs look nothing like Poles and Russians bro?
Different_Sea5642 on
There wer peoplez there whick wuz kangz, grate emapire wid pyramidz. dey all flee to Kosova. Serbz genosaide dem.
Edit: aded P to peoplez
zelenisok on
They got slavicized.
Zestyclose-Gift971 on
Big chunk of Balkans was already depopulated because of constant warfare (it has seen incredibly destructive invasions and civil strife for three century straight) + Justinian plague , after slav raids that lasted about century (that spread thru whole Greece and reached walls of Constantinople), tribes started settling down. Local romanised population that escaped into the hills and local strongholds eventually mixed. Dont hold me on this, but I think that some local limited gentetic studies showed were like 50-50, part slav, part population that was here before the settlement.
VteChateaubriand on
No, we killed them all. Strangled every single one of them. 100% Slavic DNA in us
Clear-Strike6640 on
O jebem ti ove glupe mape…
Zašto strelica ni jedna ne vodi ka korzici?
Actual-Ad220 on
Serbs were there long before the Serbs came to the Balkans
whitelinefever05 on
Zato što smo narod najprviji nanicu Vam katoličku
theDivic on
It’s pretty well covered by historians like [Vladimir Ćorović](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_%C4%86orovi%C4%87), but the answer is not simple and people seek simple answers for everything because they don’t want to exercise their brain even a little bit.
Serbs and other Slavs did not conquer Balkans, we survived Balkans.
By the time we arrived, Balkans was already a weak and chaotic border region of the Easter Roman Empire, constantly pillaged, attacked and devastated by many nations, including but not limited to: Avars, Huns, Bulgars (turkic not slavic), Gepids, Langobards, Goths, Alans.
It was a clusterfuck of different invaders, different cultures scattered around the countryside and a few “walled gardens” e.g. developed Roman cities like Sirmium (today Sremska Mitrovica) but even those big cities were often pillaged, and population replacement was constantly happening everywhere. There were also many different “local” populations scattered here and there, peoples like Thracians, Wlachs, and even ancestors of modern day Albanians (in coastal regions).
Slavs interacted with many of those other nations, some were allies, other enemies we waged war against and alliances changed from day to day. Often the Romans would bribe or pay off different nations to fight among each other or to protect them from a bigger enemy. Slavs were a tool in the hand of Constantinople or regional warlords (like the Avar Khan).
Some of those nomadic nations moved away to greener fields, some were completely destroyed and some assimilated into slavic and roman cultures. The roman natives faded away and moved somewhere safer as their cities slowly decayed. The local populations adopted other cultures or over time developed into other modern-day Balkan nationalities.
We survived and stayed here.
Falsh12 on
They mixed with us.
When Slavs reached this part of the Balkans, it was populated by a romanized mix of local peoples that likely lost their linguistic and ethnic identities by then. Descendants of Illyrians, Trachians, Celts, Romans (especially ex-legionaires since those provinces were popular for settling the retired legionaires for centuries).
Huge chunk of those peoples mixed with the Slavs within few centuries and adopted Slavic names and language. DNA research says that modern Serbs have around 45-50% of haplogroups that can be linked to Slavs, and around 50% that are thought to be from the pre-Slavic locals. Serbs partially inherited their phenotype from those peoples (so called ”Dinaric” type).
Remnants of pre-Slavic population kept their ”Roman” identity and still exist here and there in small numbers, as Aromanians (”Cincari”). Until the 19th century there were still remnants of Romance-speaking peoples in Croatian and Montenegrin coast, but they mostly lost their language and identity by the 1900’s.
Of course, Romania is a different story since there Slavs mostly assimilated into pre-Slavic population (Romanians have a solid chunk of Slavic DNA) instead of vice-versa.
SHESTOPERAC on
What do you mean “When the Serbs came to todays Serbia?”
We are indigenous people.
Appropriate-Tip4076 on
The ones who survived Justinian Plague mixed with Slavic Serbs and layed foundation for the modern distinctive Dinaric-Slavic Serb population.
AdEmbarrassed3803 on
Yes, they are called Bosniaks and Albanians now
Status_Appeal7384 on
When the Serbs came at the invitation of the Eastern Roman Empire to guard its westernmost border and possibly prevent the expansion of the Franks to the east, some groups of Romanized Balkans and Slavs were already mixing in that area. Some of them were in captivity of the Avars, in today’s Srem, where as slaves they had to guard the cattle of these nomads, so they managed to free themselves and flee to Thessaloniki when the Bulgarians revolted against the Avars. I did a DNA test on the Y chromosome, I have a Slavic phenotype, but I am a descendant of (some of those) Thracians, and actually those “Sermesians”, who later found themselves in the territories controlled by the Serbian tribal alliance. We can assume that some of these Paleobalkans had already become bilingual by then, and some of the Slavs had converted to Christianity, and that mixing had begun (on a smaller scale) before arrival of Slavic tribe of Serbs. After a couple of centuries, there was complete assimilation into the Serbs, both of the other Slavs (some of the proto-Poles also came to present-day Herzegovina), and of these “Vlachs” (Paleobalkans, Romans…).
And evidence can be found in the fact that even the Celtic names of some rivers have been preserved, as well as some ancient names of cities (Niš, Srebrenica…). Someone must have communicated these names to the Slavs. On the other hand, wherever they found ruins and no one near them, the Slavs called these ruins just: “gradina” (like: the remains of cities).
smallstepforman on
You need to revisit history after genetic mapping established that the serbs are primarily I2a (dinaric) genes which proves that Serbians/Croats were part of this region for several thousand years, you could say with Vinca culture over 4000 years ago.
The migration nonsense was pushed by Austria/German politicians which for expanpionistic motives prefered the story that Serb migrated into the area (therefore empires are morally justifiable to push them back).
Same with the theory of adoption of Slavic languages. Do you honestly believe that in the 6th century without radio, television, published books and schools, that it took only 200 years for Slavic language to displace the “native” Illyrian and Thracic languages of the region. Nonsense.
Specialist_Elk140 on
I could be wrong, but last time I looked into the history, those who remained after many died from diseases mixed with the Early Slavs that the Romans brought in to replace the desceased population.
r0073rr0r on
There is no evidence that Serbs ever came to Helm. So I don’t see point of asking that question. Better read something. I recommend to read Marvo Orbini and Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja. Only movement of Slav are described in ‘Poviest vremeskih let’ after flood. Instead asking questions on Reddit, ask what books you can read and educate your self. Also if you have access to Byzantine library, you can visit row 17th and find many proofs of what I said here. Don’t believe me, read, explore real books, not Wikipedia, and you will know.
Some tribes came to the Balkans. The Serbs as a separate entity started to define after the 12th century in territories of today’s Sandžak, Montenegro and Eastern Bosnia.
BGD_TDOT on
Very amateur take from me, but when Serbs arrived to modern day territory of Serbia it was very diverse (Celts, Greeks, Illyrians, Dacians, various Romanized populations) and no one held absolute power. As a result Serbs were able to conqueror and assimilate these populations over time. Good relations with between early Serbs & Byzantine empire also played a major role. I think genetic studies show that Serbs have roughly 40% Slavic and 60% proto-Balkan DNA. If anyone wants to correct me on the number please do, its been a while since I went down that rabbit hole.
knightofren_ on
Nebeski narod, stigao sa nebesa
Ok_Recording_8059 on
isnt this the askserbia material? along with the “i have the beginners license, can i drive bmw 325?” and “my wife is having an affair with my dead’s second cousin, what do i do?”?
aliergol on
Their descendant lineage survived, yes. Modern Serbs are them, partially. There is no ”slavic” gene. People’s genes aren’t tied to their culture and language. Being Slavic is a primarily linguistic and cultural classification. Serbs have much in common, genetically, with their non-slavic neighbours like the Greeks or the Albanians or the Hungarians, and a lot of genetically different to other Slavs, such as the Russians or the Czechs. Europe has been a big genetic melting pot for centuries and millennia despite the sanitized narratives that various nationalists like to create, frequently to create division.
You can see the (simplified, because it’s only a part of the genome) genetic overlaps between the various peoples of Europe here:
Just as much people migrated historically, sometimes it’s just the cultures that migrated without the people. Look at how the (Turkic) Kazakhs look Asiatic and the (also Turkic) Turks look Mediterranean. And sometimes it’s a mix of both, like in the case of the Serbs.
deimosf123 on
Some mixed with Slavs while others remained as today Vlachs, Romanians and Albanians.
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Most likey mixed with Serbs
Nothing, assimilation, most of south slavic countries (except Slovenia) are mixed with paleo-balkanic people. So we were multi-cultural and multiethnic society way before become a thing in USA or western Europe 😀
It’s not like they vanished, they mixed with the Slavs for centuries, and what you see today are not purely Slavic Serbs. In many of them the indigenous genetic component is dominant.
Serbs already lived there when their cousins migrated
Killed and/or integrated in Serbs.
Same as anyone before them.
Then first g*nocide against Albanians occurred.
One of 100+
This feels more like a statement than a question. But anyway let me answer. This was basically all Albania, and about 2000 years ago many new nations started existing on this land like todays Croatia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Bosnia, Serbia, Greece etc. Albanians were very patient during the first 2000 years but now they think its enough and they want to reclaim their native land.
OP, in ancient and early medieval times there weren’t any literal nations migrating from one place to another. It was mostly members of a warrior elite plus a couple of their followers and they wouldn’t number more than a couple of hundreds, maybe thousands of people. When they came to the Balkans they started lording over the peasants who were already living there and were the overwhelming majority of the population
Why do you think Serbs look nothing like Poles and Russians bro?
There wer peoplez there whick wuz kangz, grate emapire wid pyramidz. dey all flee to Kosova. Serbz genosaide dem.
Edit: aded P to peoplez
They got slavicized.
Big chunk of Balkans was already depopulated because of constant warfare (it has seen incredibly destructive invasions and civil strife for three century straight) + Justinian plague , after slav raids that lasted about century (that spread thru whole Greece and reached walls of Constantinople), tribes started settling down. Local romanised population that escaped into the hills and local strongholds eventually mixed. Dont hold me on this, but I think that some local limited gentetic studies showed were like 50-50, part slav, part population that was here before the settlement.
No, we killed them all. Strangled every single one of them. 100% Slavic DNA in us
O jebem ti ove glupe mape…
Zašto strelica ni jedna ne vodi ka korzici?
Serbs were there long before the Serbs came to the Balkans
Zato što smo narod najprviji nanicu Vam katoličku
It’s pretty well covered by historians like [Vladimir Ćorović](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_%C4%86orovi%C4%87), but the answer is not simple and people seek simple answers for everything because they don’t want to exercise their brain even a little bit.
Serbs and other Slavs did not conquer Balkans, we survived Balkans.
By the time we arrived, Balkans was already a weak and chaotic border region of the Easter Roman Empire, constantly pillaged, attacked and devastated by many nations, including but not limited to: Avars, Huns, Bulgars (turkic not slavic), Gepids, Langobards, Goths, Alans.
It was a clusterfuck of different invaders, different cultures scattered around the countryside and a few “walled gardens” e.g. developed Roman cities like Sirmium (today Sremska Mitrovica) but even those big cities were often pillaged, and population replacement was constantly happening everywhere. There were also many different “local” populations scattered here and there, peoples like Thracians, Wlachs, and even ancestors of modern day Albanians (in coastal regions).
Slavs interacted with many of those other nations, some were allies, other enemies we waged war against and alliances changed from day to day. Often the Romans would bribe or pay off different nations to fight among each other or to protect them from a bigger enemy. Slavs were a tool in the hand of Constantinople or regional warlords (like the Avar Khan).
Some of those nomadic nations moved away to greener fields, some were completely destroyed and some assimilated into slavic and roman cultures. The roman natives faded away and moved somewhere safer as their cities slowly decayed. The local populations adopted other cultures or over time developed into other modern-day Balkan nationalities.
We survived and stayed here.
They mixed with us.
When Slavs reached this part of the Balkans, it was populated by a romanized mix of local peoples that likely lost their linguistic and ethnic identities by then. Descendants of Illyrians, Trachians, Celts, Romans (especially ex-legionaires since those provinces were popular for settling the retired legionaires for centuries).
Huge chunk of those peoples mixed with the Slavs within few centuries and adopted Slavic names and language. DNA research says that modern Serbs have around 45-50% of haplogroups that can be linked to Slavs, and around 50% that are thought to be from the pre-Slavic locals. Serbs partially inherited their phenotype from those peoples (so called ”Dinaric” type).
Remnants of pre-Slavic population kept their ”Roman” identity and still exist here and there in small numbers, as Aromanians (”Cincari”). Until the 19th century there were still remnants of Romance-speaking peoples in Croatian and Montenegrin coast, but they mostly lost their language and identity by the 1900’s.
Of course, Romania is a different story since there Slavs mostly assimilated into pre-Slavic population (Romanians have a solid chunk of Slavic DNA) instead of vice-versa.
What do you mean “When the Serbs came to todays Serbia?”
We are indigenous people.
The ones who survived Justinian Plague mixed with Slavic Serbs and layed foundation for the modern distinctive Dinaric-Slavic Serb population.
Yes, they are called Bosniaks and Albanians now
When the Serbs came at the invitation of the Eastern Roman Empire to guard its westernmost border and possibly prevent the expansion of the Franks to the east, some groups of Romanized Balkans and Slavs were already mixing in that area. Some of them were in captivity of the Avars, in today’s Srem, where as slaves they had to guard the cattle of these nomads, so they managed to free themselves and flee to Thessaloniki when the Bulgarians revolted against the Avars. I did a DNA test on the Y chromosome, I have a Slavic phenotype, but I am a descendant of (some of those) Thracians, and actually those “Sermesians”, who later found themselves in the territories controlled by the Serbian tribal alliance. We can assume that some of these Paleobalkans had already become bilingual by then, and some of the Slavs had converted to Christianity, and that mixing had begun (on a smaller scale) before arrival of Slavic tribe of Serbs. After a couple of centuries, there was complete assimilation into the Serbs, both of the other Slavs (some of the proto-Poles also came to present-day Herzegovina), and of these “Vlachs” (Paleobalkans, Romans…).
And evidence can be found in the fact that even the Celtic names of some rivers have been preserved, as well as some ancient names of cities (Niš, Srebrenica…). Someone must have communicated these names to the Slavs. On the other hand, wherever they found ruins and no one near them, the Slavs called these ruins just: “gradina” (like: the remains of cities).
You need to revisit history after genetic mapping established that the serbs are primarily I2a (dinaric) genes which proves that Serbians/Croats were part of this region for several thousand years, you could say with Vinca culture over 4000 years ago.
The migration nonsense was pushed by Austria/German politicians which for expanpionistic motives prefered the story that Serb migrated into the area (therefore empires are morally justifiable to push them back).
Same with the theory of adoption of Slavic languages. Do you honestly believe that in the 6th century without radio, television, published books and schools, that it took only 200 years for Slavic language to displace the “native” Illyrian and Thracic languages of the region. Nonsense.
I could be wrong, but last time I looked into the history, those who remained after many died from diseases mixed with the Early Slavs that the Romans brought in to replace the desceased population.
There is no evidence that Serbs ever came to Helm. So I don’t see point of asking that question. Better read something. I recommend to read Marvo Orbini and Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja. Only movement of Slav are described in ‘Poviest vremeskih let’ after flood. Instead asking questions on Reddit, ask what books you can read and educate your self. Also if you have access to Byzantine library, you can visit row 17th and find many proofs of what I said here. Don’t believe me, read, explore real books, not Wikipedia, and you will know.
https://preview.redd.it/g23o24hv6kfg1.jpeg?width=797&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=688fe5e9f93ea284139dfb486cf46b09dd89eafc
We are still here
They moved to Ireland
Some tribes came to the Balkans. The Serbs as a separate entity started to define after the 12th century in territories of today’s Sandžak, Montenegro and Eastern Bosnia.
Very amateur take from me, but when Serbs arrived to modern day territory of Serbia it was very diverse (Celts, Greeks, Illyrians, Dacians, various Romanized populations) and no one held absolute power. As a result Serbs were able to conqueror and assimilate these populations over time. Good relations with between early Serbs & Byzantine empire also played a major role. I think genetic studies show that Serbs have roughly 40% Slavic and 60% proto-Balkan DNA. If anyone wants to correct me on the number please do, its been a while since I went down that rabbit hole.
Nebeski narod, stigao sa nebesa
isnt this the askserbia material? along with the “i have the beginners license, can i drive bmw 325?” and “my wife is having an affair with my dead’s second cousin, what do i do?”?
Their descendant lineage survived, yes. Modern Serbs are them, partially. There is no ”slavic” gene. People’s genes aren’t tied to their culture and language. Being Slavic is a primarily linguistic and cultural classification. Serbs have much in common, genetically, with their non-slavic neighbours like the Greeks or the Albanians or the Hungarians, and a lot of genetically different to other Slavs, such as the Russians or the Czechs. Europe has been a big genetic melting pot for centuries and millennia despite the sanitized narratives that various nationalists like to create, frequently to create division.
You can see the (simplified, because it’s only a part of the genome) genetic overlaps between the various peoples of Europe here:
https://reddit.com/comments/1b1swpy
Just as much people migrated historically, sometimes it’s just the cultures that migrated without the people. Look at how the (Turkic) Kazakhs look Asiatic and the (also Turkic) Turks look Mediterranean. And sometimes it’s a mix of both, like in the case of the Serbs.
Some mixed with Slavs while others remained as today Vlachs, Romanians and Albanians.
Nothing happened but they deserved it