La Francia si ribella al capo della NATO Rutte nella faida sulla forza di difesa dell’Europa. Il segretario generale della NATO ha dichiarato al Parlamento europeo che il continente non potrebbe difendersi senza gli Stati Uniti
https://www.politico.eu/article/france-snaps-back-nato-mark-rutte-european-defense/
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Don’t underestimate the French, they have ignored the US defence industry for a long time.
What a ridiculous thing to say. Ukraine has basically held its own against a Russian/North Korean onslaught. Rutte should be sacked
Is Rutte a Chamberlain or a Quisling? With the toddler-in-chief creating countless of job opportunities for child psychologists all around the world embassies, it’s hard to distinguish coping from collaborating.
Honestly, defend itself from what?
**Russia?** I think Europe can defend itself very well. Especially considering how badly Russia is performing in Ukraine.
**USA?** I think there’s no chance the USA could invade Europe successfully. Logistics would be a nightmare. How many soldiers can the USA deploy to Europe? 100,000? How would they keep supplying them? Yeah, and there’s also a million strong army defending Europe.
**Russia+USA?** It’ll be hard, but again, I don’t think they would stand a chance either. Logistics would be simpler for the USA since they have a vast territory to deploy ammunition and personnel. Europe, though, has satellites, long range weapons and if Russia bombs civilians we’d level Moscow.
I honestly don’t understand what Rutte means?
Sounds like goading Putin would do
Rutte just does job security
I am sure Rutte is well compensated for his transparent propaganda.
Given the current volatile situation, a remark like this from Rutte makes me start to question his motive and loyalty. Is it purely to save his job or is there some kind of sinister deal going on with Trump his “daddy”.
Danish soldiers were given orders to shoot American military in case of an invasion. Trump has been speaking out against NATO since the 1980s. This comment from Rutte and his talk with Trump in Davos (which neither Greenland or Denmark was involved in) isnt appeasment of Trump anymore, its starting to look like something else. And if isnt, he needs to learn to comunicate better in order to not look like someone on their way into bed with daddy and Putin.
We really need for our safety to decouple from the US. Right now, US is not an ally or even neutral country, but threat and enemy. Like, they just threatened to invade Greenland and previously Canada, they are sabotaging and undermining war efforts in Ukraine, they keep threatening Europe with tariffs and otherwise. Like this is far worse than what we expect from even neutral countries, and we’re supposed to think they will protect us? Good one…
If Rutte is not sec-gen of NATO, Europe should fire him.
Not only it is incorrect, but strategically incredibly stupid. Russia was able to succesfully convince whole world that they are dominant military force and whole world ate it for decades. It was mostly just speech.
Now we are trying to convince whole world that we are piece of cake? Like is there a reason for both Putin AND Trump not to believe it?
That guy just hurts.
Rutte is an american bootlicker.
Rutte must be really stupid if he actually believes that.
Cause every defense analyst ive seen talk about the subject, and run the numbers. Say that Europe is more than fine alone. Albeit a bit lacking in the intelligence department without US. Which is their biggest contribution.
Europe has more than twice the soldiers Russia has atm. And Russia is at war…
If Europe goes to war… That soldier number will look more like 5:1 after 6months-1 year.
Look at the numbers. The numbers say Europe is pretty safe. Alltho a war with Russia would not be as one sided as we would like due to our low stocks of ammo.
Low amount of ammo production is Europes biggest weakness atm. And lack of AWACS and other survailance craft. As well as satelites.
But none of these make you “lose a war” Rutte is just silly. Never liked the guy.
Rutte is just trumps dog, another weak politician
This guy Rutte needs to be removed …I do wonder of his loyalty to EU
Come on, you think he is to vote against his own job? Its a ” we from wc-eend advice wc- eend” play. When Amerika is out, nato is gone. And his job is gone.
Good. Prove Rutte wrong. Btw, Politico is a US news outlet…
What you have to bear in mind about Rutte, is that he has always been more of a transatlanticist than a Pan-European. In the Eurocrises in the 2010s he could be a staunch advisary of any European support from Northern European countries to the then suffering Southern European countries. In 2020, when the Covid pandemic hit a country like Italy hardest in the early days, he was adamantly against a pan-European support fund. Meanwhile, his foreign policy has always been one of the most pro-US of all European countries.
As a Dutchman, I have to admit that Rutte has his qualities. His slimy, diplomatic posture full of praising the other party does get things done. I also believe that his stance of keeping Trump and US militarily on our side for at least another year could be beneficial for Europe to ramp up production massively. But don’t keep your hopes up, he can be terribly naive as well with regards to how far the US have slid into an authoritarian regime.
Downvote for Politico. Again.
Go France. Save us from ourselves (again)
To be fair, France isn’t helping the EU defence either by wanting to ONLY buy French shit. So Macron YES he is right, France is the prime instigator of European defence infighting.
I feel more and more vindicated for always having despised Rutte 🤮
Rutte ordered f35
Then oddly got a job at nato (like all previous nato chief btw)
He is a traitor sold to the US
Rutte is trying to make all you stupid fucks take your own defense more seriously and y’all act as if that’s a bad thing?! stfu
Yeah I mean…it can, and obviously so. Equally obviously that defence would be significantly more costly in lives and damage to our nations in the event of a war in which the US didn’t have our backs so Rutte isn’t entirely talking shit, but he could have been much clearer.
He needs to give up trying to suck up to trump. Calling him daddy didn’t work like he hoped
Rutte was a clear Trump tool from the beginning. He needs to be replaced asap!
He’s also clearly wrong. Poland alone could swath the Russian army in it’s currently sad state like a fly. They have the tanks and manpower.
Rutte is trying to keep the world order in tact. It looks nauseating I know but trying to keep US and NATO is his primary purpose.
I think Rutte is exactly provoking the reaction he wants to.
Remember, he said that we should prepare for a war our grandparents have seen. And what did we do? Make pinky promises that we will increase our military budget.
Now we are at odds with America, so why not use that to drive his previous message home. Nobody in Europe wants to be dependent on America anymore, but what he says holds weight. Though if we want to we could. But we don’t really want to.
We could be spending like Poland, but we are not. We are too comfortable. Our mindsets need to be changed, and I think this is an attempt at actually doing that
That Strong Euro, US-Ass-Kissing Euro routine.
Didn’t Ukraine prove that europe could not defend itself? If America had not supported Ukraine with intelligence and tons of warmachines and weapons, it would have fallen to Russia because Europe was so fucking slow to act
Lets say for argument sake that Rutte is right, that just means we have to stop relying on USA even more, and that we should focus more on our own defense.
so he says that eu cant defend itself without eu as a counterargument for increasing eu military might? lol