Europe has more soldiers than the US. What is needed is integration. The European Army proposed by Kubilius is really inevitable. Stronger and cheaper. It’s a no-brainer.
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CharmingCrust on
Under the assumption that Europe will always maintain a defensive role:
The soldiers from Ukraine and around Europe who have been deployed are so battle hardened and experienced that their soldiers would create synergy, greater than the sum of its part. If used correctly with other European units, the multiplier of Europe’s number of soldiers would be x1.7
Conversely, the Russian soldiers would have no idea what the ideology is, because there usually is none aside from “something something they baddies. Russia mother want to kill”, and the fatigue of the current senseless war, would create a multiplier through antagonism of x0.6.
Europe soldier efficiency: 4.42 million.
Russia soldier efficiency: 0.66 million.
boolee2112 on
Lux could see off all those Russians.
ForTheGloryOfAmn on
To truly deter Russia, we need militaries that are well trained, equipped and able to operate together.
Russia’s weaknesses in logistics and coordination give us a clear advantage but only if we work smarter.
vvblz on
Can you link a source?
Stock-Variation-2237 on
in European *NATO* countries
no_va_det_mye on
Armies are for invaders. What we need are missiles, AA and drones.
uxgpf on
Show active + reserve.
This says nothing about the trained personnel. Your graph shows only those who are currently employed by the military.
Finland alone has 900.000+ trained reservists. They are just living their civilian life and doing their civilian jobs right now.
Might be doctors, engineers or whatever. Not like the US professional soldiers who are mostly recruited from the lower socioeconomic class, which has no better options in life. That’s also why the US casualty tolerance is so low.
Plus every single one of the Finnish reservists is better trained to the arctic warfare than 99% of the US active personnel.
lavastorm on
in any other statisitc turkey isnt included in europe but for this one they are for some reason…. wonder why!
Heavy-Emergency1577 on
Perhaps it’s time to issue an ultimatum to Russia. They have a month to withdraw their troops from Ukrainian territory, otherwise European NATO countries will launch air strikes against all Russian military targets in Ukraine. Europe already has enough ammunition stockpiles to sustain two weeks of air strikes, while maintaining defensive positions on the ground. How long is this war supposed to last?
jhwheuer on
Russia delenda est
Next-Cloud3521 on
So, what’s the point, war?
Beat_Saber_Music on
Finland’s more real army size is over 250k men, it’s just that a vast majority of them are reservists going about their normal lives until called up to serve.
MitVitQue on
I wonder what it would look like if all relevant reserve soldiers were added. We do have a lot them, well, us, in Finland
Lamuks on
This only shows active professional army and not reservists and National Guard.(Baltics would be 2-3x then or more)
1badd on
EU is cooked without Ukraine.
Russia historically put the population of acquired territory directly into military (e.g. Donbas).
Whoever is not killed or jailed.
djazzie on
And with better equipment, too.
Danny_Moran on
Where’s Ireland?
iliciman on
Cool, i wonder how many would actually be available in case of an attack
According-Energy-573 on
How many drones have European armies? How many trained troops who are ready to fight with and against drones?
These numbers have zero sense
vlatkovr on
I don’t get this whole fear from Russia. Russia only wanted to control what they consider their sphere of influence, ex Soviet Republics.
They never seriously intended to militrarily go against Europe. Not because they are nice, but because they are incomparbly weaker and incompetent.
Nontheless Europe should invest masively in its militaries as to not be dependent on the orange taco
Block-Rockig-Beats on
Yeah, but Russians are ready to sacrifice half a million Russians to make Europeans miss one Summer vacation abroad.
(I mean that’s what they are doing right now, and they almost made it)
yleennoc on
That list is missing a few countries too.
romanohere on
We need Ukraine in Europe, will get 800.000 trained military in addition, immediately
Flipadelphia26 on
Not all armed forces are equal. Also, as with China, not all armed forces are battle tested and battle ready.
Charts dont mean a whole lot unfortunately. For instance and I don’t mean any offense to these countries – Italy and Spain have a big chunk of that…. They’re always the first to resist France and Germany led spending initiatives. Also, how good are their armed forces really?
JiminyHF on
Turkey is not Europe.
Pebble-Sorter-8128 on
1,1 M active russian personnel, meanwhile they lost about 1M+ people in the war. Something is not adding up.
MisterXerath on
soldiers don’t win wars technology does
KP6fanclub on
Welcome Ukraine to European Union
Turbulent_Pin7635 on
Oh! I thought USA was the one menacing Denmark, not the Russians.
Dzgn06 on
Haha bro Türkiye is not part of EU or future army. Sorry we don’t have a visa.
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[Source](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-01-28/eu-s-top-diplomat-says-bloc-s-defense-must-be-adapted-to-survive)
Should’ve excluded Turkey.
Europe has more soldiers than the US. What is needed is integration. The European Army proposed by Kubilius is really inevitable. Stronger and cheaper. It’s a no-brainer.
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Under the assumption that Europe will always maintain a defensive role:
The soldiers from Ukraine and around Europe who have been deployed are so battle hardened and experienced that their soldiers would create synergy, greater than the sum of its part. If used correctly with other European units, the multiplier of Europe’s number of soldiers would be x1.7
Conversely, the Russian soldiers would have no idea what the ideology is, because there usually is none aside from “something something they baddies. Russia mother want to kill”, and the fatigue of the current senseless war, would create a multiplier through antagonism of x0.6.
Europe soldier efficiency: 4.42 million.
Russia soldier efficiency: 0.66 million.
Lux could see off all those Russians.
To truly deter Russia, we need militaries that are well trained, equipped and able to operate together.
Russia’s weaknesses in logistics and coordination give us a clear advantage but only if we work smarter.
Can you link a source?
in European *NATO* countries
Armies are for invaders. What we need are missiles, AA and drones.
Show active + reserve.
This says nothing about the trained personnel. Your graph shows only those who are currently employed by the military.
Finland alone has 900.000+ trained reservists. They are just living their civilian life and doing their civilian jobs right now.
Might be doctors, engineers or whatever. Not like the US professional soldiers who are mostly recruited from the lower socioeconomic class, which has no better options in life. That’s also why the US casualty tolerance is so low.
Plus every single one of the Finnish reservists is better trained to the arctic warfare than 99% of the US active personnel.
in any other statisitc turkey isnt included in europe but for this one they are for some reason…. wonder why!
Perhaps it’s time to issue an ultimatum to Russia. They have a month to withdraw their troops from Ukrainian territory, otherwise European NATO countries will launch air strikes against all Russian military targets in Ukraine. Europe already has enough ammunition stockpiles to sustain two weeks of air strikes, while maintaining defensive positions on the ground. How long is this war supposed to last?
Russia delenda est
So, what’s the point, war?
Finland’s more real army size is over 250k men, it’s just that a vast majority of them are reservists going about their normal lives until called up to serve.
I wonder what it would look like if all relevant reserve soldiers were added. We do have a lot them, well, us, in Finland
This only shows active professional army and not reservists and National Guard.(Baltics would be 2-3x then or more)
EU is cooked without Ukraine.
Russia historically put the population of acquired territory directly into military (e.g. Donbas).
Whoever is not killed or jailed.
And with better equipment, too.
Where’s Ireland?
Cool, i wonder how many would actually be available in case of an attack
How many drones have European armies? How many trained troops who are ready to fight with and against drones?
These numbers have zero sense
I don’t get this whole fear from Russia. Russia only wanted to control what they consider their sphere of influence, ex Soviet Republics.
They never seriously intended to militrarily go against Europe. Not because they are nice, but because they are incomparbly weaker and incompetent.
Nontheless Europe should invest masively in its militaries as to not be dependent on the orange taco
Yeah, but Russians are ready to sacrifice half a million Russians to make Europeans miss one Summer vacation abroad.
(I mean that’s what they are doing right now, and they almost made it)
That list is missing a few countries too.
We need Ukraine in Europe, will get 800.000 trained military in addition, immediately
Not all armed forces are equal. Also, as with China, not all armed forces are battle tested and battle ready.
Charts dont mean a whole lot unfortunately. For instance and I don’t mean any offense to these countries – Italy and Spain have a big chunk of that…. They’re always the first to resist France and Germany led spending initiatives. Also, how good are their armed forces really?
Turkey is not Europe.
1,1 M active russian personnel, meanwhile they lost about 1M+ people in the war. Something is not adding up.
soldiers don’t win wars technology does
Welcome Ukraine to European Union
Oh! I thought USA was the one menacing Denmark, not the Russians.
Haha bro Türkiye is not part of EU or future army. Sorry we don’t have a visa.