Even Estonians now pushing for a Federal Europe 🇪🇺
HexisLeVrai on
Absolute nothing burger.
Exciting-Record8101 on
Wait until the Italians and French find out what that means for their spending habits.
The current situation in the world provides an opportunity to accomplish many good things; both between EU members and within the EU framework. But EU federalists are overplaying their hand if they think this means their pet project has any more chance of happening than it did 15 years ago.
CheetaLover on
Would there be a historical event that reflects a similar voluntary hand over of national sovereignty? Can it be compared to when Germany united in the 1800’s? I see no prejudice in history so have hard time assessing how it would work.
Any-Original-6113 on
A lot of the ideas are quite reasonable.
But let’s not kid ourselves: countries with small populations will simply dissolve into a unified Europe, with their regional languages and cultures disappearing over a few generations.
The proposed senator system isn’t perfect either- it would still allow vetoes to be overridden (say, by a two- thirds majority).
And by the way, in such a unified Europe, questions would inevitably arise: why should Estonia get some form of autonomy and its own senator, but not, say, Catalonia or Bavaria?
Many issues could be resolved without resorting to the kind of deep federalization described in the article.
For example, a lot has been written about a unified European army- supposedly impossible to create.
But just in the last three months, I’ve come across several articles proposing a sensible workaround: keep national armies for EU members (even if some of them are barely larger than a military band plus a honor guard company), and create a European Legion -essentially a PMC under the European Security Council, with around 100,000 trained troops.
That would be enough to hold off a ground invasion by, say, Russia, until national armies are fully mobilized, and even somewhat excessive for supporting EU interests abroad.
The article reads like a candy in a shiny wrapper from a commercial aid: the wrapper looks great, but whether the candy itself is any good- who knows.
Vevangui on
Yeah, no. I don’t know what it is with Redditors and the craze for unionism.
Redeemed01 on
No, thank you. I value my culture.
BaziJoeWHL on
Who wants to federalise: o/ o/ o/ o/
Who wants the downside of federalising: o o o o
SeriesDowntown5947 on
If the uk and ireland joined a federal euope. It would either be a British Isles voice or an English voice as thr small nations are provinces like braveria or yorkshire. An interesting idea. But like in america there’s series of issues of course. London would be a bigger voice than many nations in europe. Maybe thats ok from a democratic point of view
Temporary_Sell3384 on
Small countries won’t have it and it would ensure that the EU will never expand again, only shrink. Why the obsession over a federal system and no attention on the Balkans?
Elvendorn on
I know it is a chicken and egg story, but I don’t see us having a real federal union if we do not first align on foreign policy, esp. vs the US.
Right now, we see a lot of “France was right all along”, but when a non isolationist politician is elected again as POTUS, I strongly believe many US-dependent countries will be willing to to reset the relationship with the US.
In the same vein, I believe that countries like France,, Spain or Italy (and maybe Germany) will eventually be ready to create a continental security system, that includes Russia. Not sure there is a strong pan-European willingness to use strong deterrence as the only way to guaranty security. Especially since arming Europe will come at a detriment to social spendings.
I understand that eastern EU has a different understanding but it might not be in the interest of southern EU countries to fight their war.
ahnotme on
Switzerland has done very well as a confederacy, so why not give that a try.
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Strength comes with unity.
No one or thing is stronger alone….
Even Estonians now pushing for a Federal Europe 🇪🇺
Absolute nothing burger.
Wait until the Italians and French find out what that means for their spending habits.
The current situation in the world provides an opportunity to accomplish many good things; both between EU members and within the EU framework. But EU federalists are overplaying their hand if they think this means their pet project has any more chance of happening than it did 15 years ago.
Would there be a historical event that reflects a similar voluntary hand over of national sovereignty? Can it be compared to when Germany united in the 1800’s? I see no prejudice in history so have hard time assessing how it would work.
A lot of the ideas are quite reasonable.
But let’s not kid ourselves: countries with small populations will simply dissolve into a unified Europe, with their regional languages and cultures disappearing over a few generations.
The proposed senator system isn’t perfect either- it would still allow vetoes to be overridden (say, by a two- thirds majority).
And by the way, in such a unified Europe, questions would inevitably arise: why should Estonia get some form of autonomy and its own senator, but not, say, Catalonia or Bavaria?
Many issues could be resolved without resorting to the kind of deep federalization described in the article.
For example, a lot has been written about a unified European army- supposedly impossible to create.
But just in the last three months, I’ve come across several articles proposing a sensible workaround: keep national armies for EU members (even if some of them are barely larger than a military band plus a honor guard company), and create a European Legion -essentially a PMC under the European Security Council, with around 100,000 trained troops.
That would be enough to hold off a ground invasion by, say, Russia, until national armies are fully mobilized, and even somewhat excessive for supporting EU interests abroad.
The article reads like a candy in a shiny wrapper from a commercial aid: the wrapper looks great, but whether the candy itself is any good- who knows.
Yeah, no. I don’t know what it is with Redditors and the craze for unionism.
No, thank you. I value my culture.
Who wants to federalise: o/ o/ o/ o/
Who wants the downside of federalising: o o o o
If the uk and ireland joined a federal euope. It would either be a British Isles voice or an English voice as thr small nations are provinces like braveria or yorkshire. An interesting idea. But like in america there’s series of issues of course. London would be a bigger voice than many nations in europe. Maybe thats ok from a democratic point of view
Small countries won’t have it and it would ensure that the EU will never expand again, only shrink. Why the obsession over a federal system and no attention on the Balkans?
I know it is a chicken and egg story, but I don’t see us having a real federal union if we do not first align on foreign policy, esp. vs the US.
Right now, we see a lot of “France was right all along”, but when a non isolationist politician is elected again as POTUS, I strongly believe many US-dependent countries will be willing to to reset the relationship with the US.
In the same vein, I believe that countries like France,, Spain or Italy (and maybe Germany) will eventually be ready to create a continental security system, that includes Russia. Not sure there is a strong pan-European willingness to use strong deterrence as the only way to guaranty security. Especially since arming Europe will come at a detriment to social spendings.
I understand that eastern EU has a different understanding but it might not be in the interest of southern EU countries to fight their war.
Switzerland has done very well as a confederacy, so why not give that a try.