Only 4m? From where I sit it looks like working or not working, unless really in the upper echelons of income, provides a very similar standard of living.
AverageOldGuy on
And it’ll get worse.
It’s often said that the problem with socialism is that you run out of other people’s money but the real problem is with state capitalism, where you run out of public assets to sell.
twonaq on
Hardly earning enough for a life let alone a decent life
willNffcUk on
Wages are shit in this country and everything is through the roof
moritashun on
No Shit with new taxes and increase of existing taxes. While the tax allowance stays the same for the past god knows how many year, they have the audacity to keep increasing and raising new ones
socialistpancake on
£70,500 as the minimum standard for a household with 2 children is interesting, I assume that’s salary pre-tax? Article doesn’t say
South_Buy_3175 on
Don’t worry, I’m sure increasing the minimum wage once again will fix all this!
*Everything else goes up in price so you’re no better off*
Oh, well at least people who are above minimum wage get a little bump!
*They don’t, wages get compressed even more*
Ah…
Andries89 on
I don’t think the wages are shit per se but more that everything is overpriced. The UK economy is a classic Anglo economy setup around rentierism i.e. extracting money from working people and small businesses, it’s why everything is seemingly collapsing together as it’s linked –> People in Anglo societies don’t have a lot of expendable income left after rent/mortgage so they have to pinch. Small businesses are reliant on footfall traffic and spurious consumption, as people can’t spend they have to raise prices to pay exuberant business rates and rent… so what happens when everything collapses, private equity swoops in and buys things up on the cheap and then it becomes soulless and pointless after that. Town centres collapse, communities collapse, third spaces collapse,etc… It’s a vicious cycle and as long as we don’t get some serious redistributive policies implemented, it will get worse
Impressive-Bird-6085 on
This comes as no surprise to me at all.
We’ve had decades of the mass sale of state owned assets, an economy created to enrich the already richest 1%…. All the while scapegoating minorities – especially – those struggling with disabilities and being on benefits…. to create distraction from the fire sale of state assets and an economy designed for the richest.
What this article reports is the result. Without fundamental reforms to level the economic and societal ‘playing field’, and with the rise of AI and tech feudalism, I’m very concerned it could get worse.
Electricbell20 on
>The CRSP research, funded by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation (JRF), suggested there were 4.2 million working households living below the minimum income standard (MIS) in 2023/24.
>This is more than two-thirds (68.5%) of all households living below the standard, and has risen from just over half of households in that situation in 2008/09
Tory legacy just keeps on delivering.
Nielips on
Look at the correlation between this and the multiplier of the c-suite wages versus the average worker. We don’t need to tax the top 1% more. We need the top 1% to actually pay everyone else more for their labour, the top 1% are taking too much out of the system for their productivity they offer, whereas everyone else is getting underpaid for their labour.
Affectionate_Job8415 on
And the rest! Neoliberalism and inequality isn’t the poor souls arriving on boats, it’s the ones with massive yachts.
Primary_Tune_9586 on
Supposedly all due to the war in Ukraine and Covid if you ask the government
Prajnamarga on
This is normal for capitalism…
>”The original mercantilists were advocates of the “utility of poverty” thesis. They believed that there was a positive side to poverty and that the State should create and maintain poverty as a way to increase the volume of exportable output. Workers were to accept enforced poverty as a necessary foundation for national prosperity. The nation needed a diligent and hard-working workforce but the nation had no duty to pay workers well – on the contrary it was the duty of workers to accept subsistence wages for the sake of the nation.”–[Six Centuries of Vilifying the Poor](https://web.archive.org/web/20161116042145/http://www.pieria.co.uk/articles/mercantilism_six_centuries_of_vilifying_the_poor/). David Spencer.
WinHour4300 on
The real issue isn’t that wages are too low — it’s a housing shortage. Even if wages went up, rents would rise too, because there are still too many people chasing too few properties and people would still be struggling.
TheChaoticCrusader on
No surprise when
Council tax goes up 5% a year
Electric goes up every year
Water rates have skyrocketed
BBC con licence fee has risen
House prices keep going up
Tax income amount has not risen for so long that even part timers ard on tax
Inflation keeps putting items up
And many more
Compare that to the few pence some people get extra a hour every year (if they are lucky)
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Only 4m? From where I sit it looks like working or not working, unless really in the upper echelons of income, provides a very similar standard of living.
And it’ll get worse.
It’s often said that the problem with socialism is that you run out of other people’s money but the real problem is with state capitalism, where you run out of public assets to sell.
Hardly earning enough for a life let alone a decent life
Wages are shit in this country and everything is through the roof
No Shit with new taxes and increase of existing taxes. While the tax allowance stays the same for the past god knows how many year, they have the audacity to keep increasing and raising new ones
£70,500 as the minimum standard for a household with 2 children is interesting, I assume that’s salary pre-tax? Article doesn’t say
Don’t worry, I’m sure increasing the minimum wage once again will fix all this!
*Everything else goes up in price so you’re no better off*
Oh, well at least people who are above minimum wage get a little bump!
*They don’t, wages get compressed even more*
Ah…
I don’t think the wages are shit per se but more that everything is overpriced. The UK economy is a classic Anglo economy setup around rentierism i.e. extracting money from working people and small businesses, it’s why everything is seemingly collapsing together as it’s linked –> People in Anglo societies don’t have a lot of expendable income left after rent/mortgage so they have to pinch. Small businesses are reliant on footfall traffic and spurious consumption, as people can’t spend they have to raise prices to pay exuberant business rates and rent… so what happens when everything collapses, private equity swoops in and buys things up on the cheap and then it becomes soulless and pointless after that. Town centres collapse, communities collapse, third spaces collapse,etc… It’s a vicious cycle and as long as we don’t get some serious redistributive policies implemented, it will get worse
This comes as no surprise to me at all.
We’ve had decades of the mass sale of state owned assets, an economy created to enrich the already richest 1%…. All the while scapegoating minorities – especially – those struggling with disabilities and being on benefits…. to create distraction from the fire sale of state assets and an economy designed for the richest.
What this article reports is the result. Without fundamental reforms to level the economic and societal ‘playing field’, and with the rise of AI and tech feudalism, I’m very concerned it could get worse.
>The CRSP research, funded by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation (JRF), suggested there were 4.2 million working households living below the minimum income standard (MIS) in 2023/24.
>This is more than two-thirds (68.5%) of all households living below the standard, and has risen from just over half of households in that situation in 2008/09
Tory legacy just keeps on delivering.
Look at the correlation between this and the multiplier of the c-suite wages versus the average worker. We don’t need to tax the top 1% more. We need the top 1% to actually pay everyone else more for their labour, the top 1% are taking too much out of the system for their productivity they offer, whereas everyone else is getting underpaid for their labour.
And the rest! Neoliberalism and inequality isn’t the poor souls arriving on boats, it’s the ones with massive yachts.
Supposedly all due to the war in Ukraine and Covid if you ask the government
This is normal for capitalism…
>”The original mercantilists were advocates of the “utility of poverty” thesis. They believed that there was a positive side to poverty and that the State should create and maintain poverty as a way to increase the volume of exportable output. Workers were to accept enforced poverty as a necessary foundation for national prosperity. The nation needed a diligent and hard-working workforce but the nation had no duty to pay workers well – on the contrary it was the duty of workers to accept subsistence wages for the sake of the nation.”–[Six Centuries of Vilifying the Poor](https://web.archive.org/web/20161116042145/http://www.pieria.co.uk/articles/mercantilism_six_centuries_of_vilifying_the_poor/). David Spencer.
The real issue isn’t that wages are too low — it’s a housing shortage. Even if wages went up, rents would rise too, because there are still too many people chasing too few properties and people would still be struggling.
No surprise when
Council tax goes up 5% a year
Electric goes up every year
Water rates have skyrocketed
BBC con licence fee has risen
House prices keep going up
Tax income amount has not risen for so long that even part timers ard on tax
Inflation keeps putting items up
And many more
Compare that to the few pence some people get extra a hour every year (if they are lucky)