Beh, non ne usciamo molto bene da qui, ragazzi.
Penso che alcuni dei commenti più importanti in questo thread siano molto appropriati qui – vale a dire i milionari immobiliari che continuano a prendere dallo stato, riducendo la sua capacità di sostenere coloro che ne hanno bisogno.
Tuttavia, con il welfare così basso e la difesa così bassa, e i trasporti che non sono esattamente ricchi di contanti, viene da chiedersi dove vengano spesi i soldi.
Il che mi porta a https://www.whereyourmoneygoes.gov.ie/en/ . E questo mi porta ancora una volta a credere che non stiamo usando i nostri soldi in modo efficace. Siamo concentrati su una distribuzione egualitaria, che non è necessaria quando si ha la distribuzione della ricchezza che vediamo. Il modo in cui sono stati distribuiti gli sgravi sulla bolletta energetica ne è solo un esempio.
Comunque, sono curioso di sentire il tuo pensiero.
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I mean this has been the case for a long, long time. Lack of viable alternatives to vote for + radicalised gobshites spreading and believing lies about “us” spending money on immigrants/trans people + no real history of a strong welfare state to speak of = this.
If we had a health service like France’s or social programs like the Nordic states I think people would complain a lot less about their taxes.
Any statistic involving GDP in Ireland should be instantly written off as useless
Most of those countries up the top end are having serious problems with government expenditure being higher than the country can bear. I’m not sure it’s necessarily something we want to emulate.
Also, afaik Ireland has a relatively strong redistributive tax + welfare system, so this chart is kind of surprising.
Exactly. We keep hearing about a “cost of living” crisis. No its a “wealth distribution” crisis. These fuckers control so much wealth that its not fairly distributed throughout society.
Everyone knows Ireland’s GDP is massively inflated until it’s convenient. A more accurate figure for Ireland would be the 22% of GNI*, on par with high spending EU peers.
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-spei/socialprotectionexpenditureinireland2024/keyfindings/
Use gnp or something and come back to us
Did someone mention GDP?
As a middle income earner nothing boils my blood quite like the idea of my betters paying tax
GDP is a completely useless figure for Ireland and only gets more useless every minute that passes.
Anything expressed as a % of GDP in Ireland is a joke. Our GDP is massively distorted by multinationals HQs
20% of our paper GDP is about €85bn which is about €16,500 per capita if we were to spend that on welfare and social protection.
We actually spend about €63.5 billion on welfare and social protection.
It sits very much at mid ranking EU members in reality. It’s just our GDP figures are a total distortion.
I mean if Ireland were in NATO and had to spend 5% of GDP we’d need launch a space programme just to use it up!
The majority of “welfare” spending in all European countries – UK and Ireland included – is pensions.
Spending more on pensions does not equal more taxation of billionaires. In fact, the UK has substantially raised its taxation of billionaires in recent years. What was the result? They stopped being UK tax resident, and total UK government tax receipts shrank. Meanwhile, to take France as an example, their current government _removed_ the annual wealth tax when they got into power, and the wealth tax before that had carveouts any billionaire had no trouble exercising.
If you look into reality, more welfare spending is in fact funded by more taxation on ordinary workers, not billionaires. European governments take lots in taxes, but also return lots to usually the same workers in welfare. The UK and Ireland prefer tax rebates to welfare, so that’s why this graph looks as it does – it’s pure artefact and little to do with how much redistribution is done (of which Ireland is a world leader, we redistribute from rich to poor far more than our European cousins, we just use the tax system not the welfare system is all).
Make the link. Where is welfare spend highest and why so?
GDP. Sigh. Our debt to GDP ratio isn’t as impressive as it looks either….
Isn’t it interesting how the very people banging the drums about how GDP should not be used in Irelands case quickly forget about GNI* when they want to make some asinine point. Ireland doesn’t have a “billionaire problem” but we do have a problem with the one of the largest number of economically inactive households in Europe.
If we could all just drop the whole ‘billionaires create jobs/wealth’ thing we might begin to get somewhere. A healthy, productive, private property based, socioeconomic system creates billionaires not the reverse.
Can’t believe there are still people out there who think we can be compared to others using GDP based metrics
[Ireland has a bigger welfare state than anywhere else in the world](https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/s/ztlBybfZZ2)
Imagine thinking that a system where the harder you work, the more punitive your taxation is, would lead to a good outcome.