With the decline of the prices of batteries I can understnad why you won’t want to build an expensive plant.
ZwiebelLegende on
Because the Green and Socialist Party would block every attempt in the parliament.
casper_pwnz on
I wish Germany would stop shooting itself in the foot.
mrdarknezz1 on
Gas gas baby
Deepfire_DM on
Just imagining building a multi million Euro NPP controlled by the ministress of incompetence is a thing nightmares are made of.
ntropy83 on
Finally something our chancellor is good at, while the rest of Europe lost its economic and sustainable faculties
BillyWillyNillyTimmy on
Because it would be extremely expensive to get the power plants running again. Every pipe needs to be inspected and replaced, and there are tens of thousands of them. German inspections are no joke.
Also the greens would block it.
Winter-Movie4606 on
Guys, who’s gonna tell them?
Peetoar on
Doesn‘t make any sense as it takes 20 years anyway until a new one is built.
And you need a place for it and no one wants one around them.
Also there‘s no further incentive regarding nuclear (France, Britain have their military adventures with it), which Germany doesn‘t have. So both of them have other incentives to have the personell workforce for this.
Has it made sense to shut the others down? No. Do they have a limited lifetime anyway? Yes.
Does it make sense to build new ones? If you want one in 2045, sure.
rocketstopya on
Coal is much better.
Charming-Exercise496 on
So other countries subsidise it? Great
ghedeon on
No Russian gas, no nuclear, on what exactly Germany plans to run its economy? Vegan farts?
Jersey_2019 on
Remember this is not even about safety , France and other countries have reacters close to German borders(closest one being 15km if iirc , they purchase electricity from them , if a meltdown does happen then Germany also get’s effected but the fact they don’t even complain about that possibility means it was never about safety , I am not even from west but I can’t stand Merkel even for a second , I am so happy for Frenchies for being rationale and not falling for the mob anti-nuclear propaganda ❤️
Hushi88 on
So Swedish costumers get to pay more for their electricity because of Germanys needed import of Swedish nuclear power! FU
K3ndu on
Yeah, theyll return to russian gas when the oppurtunity comes around again
Slackeee_ on
Because it doesn’t make sense. Let’s look at the actual data:
– Olkiluoto 3 — Finland, planned build time and costs 5 years/3 billion Euro, actual build time and costs 17 years / 11 billion Euro
– Flamanville 3 — France, planned build time and costs 5 years, 3.3 billion Euro, actual build time 17 years / 23.7 billon Euro
– Hinkley Point C — UK, still in construction, was planned to be ready in 2025 for 18 billion Pound, now estimated to be ready in 2030 for 35 billion Pound
And this won’t be different in Germany. A return to nuclear power just isn’t a viable option for Germany.
Asckor_ on
It’s not so surprising; it was a mistake to abandon nuclear power.
But it would also be a mistake to go back to it.
What would be the point?
Renewable energy is working better and better, and the neighbor is filling the gap.
Jackman1337 on
Obviously, it’s an outdated extremely expensive energy source. (To build and ongoing) 0 reason to go for it now. Just look at the new UK plants.
sisali on
You’d think SMRs would be pretty perfect for Germany, could be prefabricated, and plopped down close to heavy industry to act as your baseload.
Solar and wind + batteries are simply not reliable enough yet to guarantee the kind of supply you need for everything, you need a solution to provide that baseload.
BugetarulMalefic on
Wir schafen das, nicht!
Niemand772 on
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Going back to nuclear means building new plants. Is always an option and if the pressure is high enough, this can be done faster than 20 years.
But it is an expensive technology, only suitable for baseline power, not flexible. And we have no idea what will happen in de coming 20 years. Maybe batteries based on other technologies are 10 times cheaper and we can story solar power for half a years cost efficiently.
Real experts will have to advise what the pro’s and cons are and then a good decision is needed what is most important and how much it may cost. Just yelling pro or anti will not help.
Lucky_Difference_140 on
In 10 years time, they’d say it was a mistake to stop Russian gas.
FableBlaze on
Guess we need to learn the limits of current energy storage the hard way…
DearBenito on
Gotta love how under any thread about energy the people from the country with the dirtiest and most expensive energy in western Europe want to school the people from the country with the cleanest and cheapest energy on how the energy transition should look like
Debating Germans on the topic of energy is like debating gun control with Americans: you have better chances teaching calculus to a donkey
Nuclear energy is the most reliable, clean, and efficient source of power. Until something better is found, why would you want to build thousands of wind turbines in Germany and ruin the landscape? You can achieve the same output with a single reactor and cheaper costs
Itakie on
Good. It makes no sense to go nuclear right now if batteries are getting cheaper and cheaper.
Even IF we could follow the Chinese and build a small one in 5 years (and good luck dealing with local protests because no one wants this in their own backyard), green energy would still be way cheaper and you don’t need the state to deal with the insurance problem. If private investors want to build a nuclear power station? Ok that’s cool. But good luck finding enough capital.
If we look at Belgium, Poland and the UK, the costs are just too high. The guaranteed purchase price by the state is completely bonkers compared to the falling cost of batteries and storage systems. A 20 year guarantee when storage costs are falling ~40% each year?
Amesbrutil on
I am no expert on this topic but considering that Germany has almost the highest energy costs in Europe, even before the Russia Ukraine war something isn’t work well. Like I don’t care if my energy is coming from nuclear plants, coal plants or some magic box, just provide cheap energy. You can literally see the effects of having high energy costs when you look at the german economy. It has been in recession for years now and lots of major german companies stopped investing in Germany years ago. They prefer building new factories in nations with cheaper cost, which surprisingly also use nuclear power. So yea
CertainMiddle2382 on
Those morons could even say « maybe » and then do nothing and it would give them back some medium term leverage towards Russia at no cost.
But no. Let’s kept being dumb.
squeezymarmite on
It’s ok, you can just buy electricity from France which is 70% nuclear generated.
Jacabusmagnus on
The world is going to end due to climate change according to many. But for ideological reasons and bureaucracy the same people wont restarts the single most stable and cleanest source of energy. Its almost as if they are lying or their claims are exaggerated.
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With the decline of the prices of batteries I can understnad why you won’t want to build an expensive plant.
Because the Green and Socialist Party would block every attempt in the parliament.
I wish Germany would stop shooting itself in the foot.
Gas gas baby
Just imagining building a multi million Euro NPP controlled by the ministress of incompetence is a thing nightmares are made of.
Finally something our chancellor is good at, while the rest of Europe lost its economic and sustainable faculties
Because it would be extremely expensive to get the power plants running again. Every pipe needs to be inspected and replaced, and there are tens of thousands of them. German inspections are no joke.
Also the greens would block it.
Guys, who’s gonna tell them?
Doesn‘t make any sense as it takes 20 years anyway until a new one is built.
And you need a place for it and no one wants one around them.
Also there‘s no further incentive regarding nuclear (France, Britain have their military adventures with it), which Germany doesn‘t have. So both of them have other incentives to have the personell workforce for this.
Has it made sense to shut the others down? No. Do they have a limited lifetime anyway? Yes.
Does it make sense to build new ones? If you want one in 2045, sure.
Coal is much better.
So other countries subsidise it? Great
No Russian gas, no nuclear, on what exactly Germany plans to run its economy? Vegan farts?
Remember this is not even about safety , France and other countries have reacters close to German borders(closest one being 15km if iirc , they purchase electricity from them , if a meltdown does happen then Germany also get’s effected but the fact they don’t even complain about that possibility means it was never about safety , I am not even from west but I can’t stand Merkel even for a second , I am so happy for Frenchies for being rationale and not falling for the mob anti-nuclear propaganda ❤️
So Swedish costumers get to pay more for their electricity because of Germanys needed import of Swedish nuclear power! FU
Yeah, theyll return to russian gas when the oppurtunity comes around again
Because it doesn’t make sense. Let’s look at the actual data:
– Olkiluoto 3 — Finland, planned build time and costs 5 years/3 billion Euro, actual build time and costs 17 years / 11 billion Euro
– Flamanville 3 — France, planned build time and costs 5 years, 3.3 billion Euro, actual build time 17 years / 23.7 billon Euro
– Hinkley Point C — UK, still in construction, was planned to be ready in 2025 for 18 billion Pound, now estimated to be ready in 2030 for 35 billion Pound
And this won’t be different in Germany. A return to nuclear power just isn’t a viable option for Germany.
It’s not so surprising; it was a mistake to abandon nuclear power.
But it would also be a mistake to go back to it.
What would be the point?
Renewable energy is working better and better, and the neighbor is filling the gap.
Obviously, it’s an outdated extremely expensive energy source. (To build and ongoing) 0 reason to go for it now. Just look at the new UK plants.
You’d think SMRs would be pretty perfect for Germany, could be prefabricated, and plopped down close to heavy industry to act as your baseload.
Solar and wind + batteries are simply not reliable enough yet to guarantee the kind of supply you need for everything, you need a solution to provide that baseload.
Wir schafen das, nicht!
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Going back to nuclear means building new plants. Is always an option and if the pressure is high enough, this can be done faster than 20 years.
But it is an expensive technology, only suitable for baseline power, not flexible. And we have no idea what will happen in de coming 20 years. Maybe batteries based on other technologies are 10 times cheaper and we can story solar power for half a years cost efficiently.
Real experts will have to advise what the pro’s and cons are and then a good decision is needed what is most important and how much it may cost. Just yelling pro or anti will not help.
In 10 years time, they’d say it was a mistake to stop Russian gas.
Guess we need to learn the limits of current energy storage the hard way…
Gotta love how under any thread about energy the people from the country with the dirtiest and most expensive energy in western Europe want to school the people from the country with the cleanest and cheapest energy on how the energy transition should look like
Debating Germans on the topic of energy is like debating gun control with Americans: you have better chances teaching calculus to a donkey
in other news: the sky is blue
Sucks because [SMR](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_modular_reactor) would do great to replace coal and gaz in a high-renewable mix. And Germany can’t miss fission, even if in 40 years.
Nuclear energy is the most reliable, clean, and efficient source of power. Until something better is found, why would you want to build thousands of wind turbines in Germany and ruin the landscape? You can achieve the same output with a single reactor and cheaper costs
Good. It makes no sense to go nuclear right now if batteries are getting cheaper and cheaper.
Even IF we could follow the Chinese and build a small one in 5 years (and good luck dealing with local protests because no one wants this in their own backyard), green energy would still be way cheaper and you don’t need the state to deal with the insurance problem. If private investors want to build a nuclear power station? Ok that’s cool. But good luck finding enough capital.
If we look at Belgium, Poland and the UK, the costs are just too high. The guaranteed purchase price by the state is completely bonkers compared to the falling cost of batteries and storage systems. A 20 year guarantee when storage costs are falling ~40% each year?
I am no expert on this topic but considering that Germany has almost the highest energy costs in Europe, even before the Russia Ukraine war something isn’t work well. Like I don’t care if my energy is coming from nuclear plants, coal plants or some magic box, just provide cheap energy. You can literally see the effects of having high energy costs when you look at the german economy. It has been in recession for years now and lots of major german companies stopped investing in Germany years ago. They prefer building new factories in nations with cheaper cost, which surprisingly also use nuclear power. So yea
Those morons could even say « maybe » and then do nothing and it would give them back some medium term leverage towards Russia at no cost.
But no. Let’s kept being dumb.
It’s ok, you can just buy electricity from France which is 70% nuclear generated.
The world is going to end due to climate change according to many. But for ideological reasons and bureaucracy the same people wont restarts the single most stable and cleanest source of energy. Its almost as if they are lying or their claims are exaggerated.