I’m here for it, but I hope to see it applied equally not just against specific groups.
Artistic_Lawyer_6727 on
just a normal nite out in broad street int it jess x
VariousClassroom8056 on
I think it’s going to be really hard to successfully prosecute someone under this but I’m for having sex on the same level as race or sexuality when considering aggravating factors in harassment.
TurpentineEnjoyer on
A law that protects women from harassment is itself a good thing but let’s not forget that there are already laws that protect women from harassment that aren’t being enforced.
How are they possibly going to enforce this?
DeliriumOK on
I know, rather than actually deal with the problem with existing laws, let’s introduce yet more superfluous laws we’re not going to enforce. Expect nothing less from Jess Phillips.
roamingandy on
Would be solved within a few months if they changed the legal definition of entrapment to be ‘if the crime would have also taken place if it were a member of the public there instead of an undercover police operative’.
Then have plain clothes police to walk around hot spots for this type of thing, with a camera and a squad hidden away nearby to nick anyone caught doing it.
There should also be a reasonable defence to stop people shouting abuse anytime someone talks to them in public, as a loud minority of folk would do.
Something like ‘if someone tells you no, thank you to engage in conversation in public a third time then a law had been broken’. So you’re not outlawing public conversation, or someone misunderstanding/mishearing the first ‘no, thanks’. You’re outlawing pestering someone and thereby making them feel unsafe.
fordesc16883 on
I hope this would also apply to women harassing men too, not just one way around.
panguy87 on
So someone sat next to Jess Philips on a train and did nothing and she felt harassed by that?
No wonder no one meets someone else in a traditional sense anymore since now anyone who even looks at someone and smiles can be accused of ‘deliberate harassment’ amd jailed, wtf
lasttimer55 on
More immigration from the middle east should help this
HeyItsMasa on
Gee whizz. I wonder why they’ve had to introduce this law all of a sudden.
D0wnInAlbion on
2 minutes of video that doesn’t actually tell you what the legislation is.
jamesc1071 on
I wonder who will benefit from this apart from Jess Phillips.
Ok_Bat_686 on
Right, I haven’t read the law, but the example that the MP gave in the video was someone sitting next to her on an empty train. Maybe that’s harassment, but I’m wondering how this is going to be meaningfully dinstinct from just… sitting on a train.
I’m sure the law probably has some extra details to it, but the story she gave in this clip – a man sitting next to her on a train, not even following her speaking to her or anything – is not a scenario I’d like to see become illegal.
appletinicyclone on
Good. Now they can tackle domestic violence and misogyny/sexual harassment in the police and army
I had a friend who she left London over the Sarah everard stuff because of the experiences she had working in a hostel at night but also lack of trust with the police as well
One thing I’ve seen with these laws is that they’re very broad and it’s almost like specific situations of flagrant abuse are just not having much done about it.
If we want to move beyond performative towards helpful trust needs to be established in a competent non abusive police force and then the community outreach and other social contact contract type stuff can begin, along with counsellors mental health all the things to do the hard preventative work along with the punitive and rehabilitative work as well.
Logical_Hare on
I love how a lot of the people in here can’t decide if this is bad for supposedly ‘targeting’ men and boys, or if it’s good because they assume it will mostly affect Muslims.
AdHot6995 on
You could have just got up and moved Jess. I feel like she loves the sound of her own voice whilst pretend to champion women.
Consistent-Pirate-23 on
The sitting on a train example is a really weird take.
I travel a lot at peak times and get more filthy looks for sitting next to someone, not because there are loads of empty seats, but because the empty seat is next to them or heaven forbid they needed to move their bag.
My wife has even witnessed it and said to be when out of earshot “she gave you a filthy look for no reason”
Hoping any new law stops the need to view innocent people as someone to throw evils at
2_years_ago on
Jess Phillips? Oh ffs, it will just apply to people who don’t vote for her.
AcanthisittaThink813 on
We already have laws, they are not being enforced for whatever reasons
Charming_Parking_302 on
The problem is not the lack of laws. The problem is the lack of enforcement
aleopardstail on
why not just make harassing people in public illegal? you know, in general, regardless of who does it and who its aimed at?
mrbeermonkey on
Mad innit. Laws to make women feel safer but open doors to hundreds of thousands of undocumented men from backgrounds where women are treated as second class citizens. Make it make sense.
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I’m here for it, but I hope to see it applied equally not just against specific groups.
just a normal nite out in broad street int it jess x
I think it’s going to be really hard to successfully prosecute someone under this but I’m for having sex on the same level as race or sexuality when considering aggravating factors in harassment.
A law that protects women from harassment is itself a good thing but let’s not forget that there are already laws that protect women from harassment that aren’t being enforced.
How are they possibly going to enforce this?
I know, rather than actually deal with the problem with existing laws, let’s introduce yet more superfluous laws we’re not going to enforce. Expect nothing less from Jess Phillips.
Would be solved within a few months if they changed the legal definition of entrapment to be ‘if the crime would have also taken place if it were a member of the public there instead of an undercover police operative’.
Then have plain clothes police to walk around hot spots for this type of thing, with a camera and a squad hidden away nearby to nick anyone caught doing it.
There should also be a reasonable defence to stop people shouting abuse anytime someone talks to them in public, as a loud minority of folk would do.
Something like ‘if someone tells you no, thank you to engage in conversation in public a third time then a law had been broken’. So you’re not outlawing public conversation, or someone misunderstanding/mishearing the first ‘no, thanks’. You’re outlawing pestering someone and thereby making them feel unsafe.
I hope this would also apply to women harassing men too, not just one way around.
So someone sat next to Jess Philips on a train and did nothing and she felt harassed by that?
No wonder no one meets someone else in a traditional sense anymore since now anyone who even looks at someone and smiles can be accused of ‘deliberate harassment’ amd jailed, wtf
More immigration from the middle east should help this
Gee whizz. I wonder why they’ve had to introduce this law all of a sudden.
2 minutes of video that doesn’t actually tell you what the legislation is.
I wonder who will benefit from this apart from Jess Phillips.
Right, I haven’t read the law, but the example that the MP gave in the video was someone sitting next to her on an empty train. Maybe that’s harassment, but I’m wondering how this is going to be meaningfully dinstinct from just… sitting on a train.
I’m sure the law probably has some extra details to it, but the story she gave in this clip – a man sitting next to her on a train, not even following her speaking to her or anything – is not a scenario I’d like to see become illegal.
Good. Now they can tackle domestic violence and misogyny/sexual harassment in the police and army
I had a friend who she left London over the Sarah everard stuff because of the experiences she had working in a hostel at night but also lack of trust with the police as well
One thing I’ve seen with these laws is that they’re very broad and it’s almost like specific situations of flagrant abuse are just not having much done about it.
If we want to move beyond performative towards helpful trust needs to be established in a competent non abusive police force and then the community outreach and other social contact contract type stuff can begin, along with counsellors mental health all the things to do the hard preventative work along with the punitive and rehabilitative work as well.
I love how a lot of the people in here can’t decide if this is bad for supposedly ‘targeting’ men and boys, or if it’s good because they assume it will mostly affect Muslims.
You could have just got up and moved Jess. I feel like she loves the sound of her own voice whilst pretend to champion women.
The sitting on a train example is a really weird take.
I travel a lot at peak times and get more filthy looks for sitting next to someone, not because there are loads of empty seats, but because the empty seat is next to them or heaven forbid they needed to move their bag.
My wife has even witnessed it and said to be when out of earshot “she gave you a filthy look for no reason”
Hoping any new law stops the need to view innocent people as someone to throw evils at
Jess Phillips? Oh ffs, it will just apply to people who don’t vote for her.
We already have laws, they are not being enforced for whatever reasons
The problem is not the lack of laws. The problem is the lack of enforcement
why not just make harassing people in public illegal? you know, in general, regardless of who does it and who its aimed at?
Mad innit. Laws to make women feel safer but open doors to hundreds of thousands of undocumented men from backgrounds where women are treated as second class citizens. Make it make sense.