Those billionaires need more money, rather they have it then give it to wasters like teachers, nurses, guards, and other drains on society.
stunts002 on
Good friend of mine is a teacher and I honestly have no idea what future she’s supposed to have. She’s mid 30s and house shares with 3 other teachers who all work at the same school.
Its supposed to be one of those core jobs but they’re completely screwed
Breifne21 on
By 2050, if current migration trends remain the same*, the number of children in Irish schools will fall by 22-27% (roughly -250,000).
We could use this as an opportunity to improve schools by smaller class sizes and schools with better resources through consolidated schools.
Will we do that? Not a chance. And what’s more, the ability of teachers to bargain with the state will reduce as the number of pupils falls. We need teachers, but I think it will become an increasingly unattractive career in coming years.
*If migration rates declined, the fall would be far sharper and pronounced.
thecrouch on
Here’s the bit the teachers unions won’t say out loud: if we want to truly fix teacher contacts, and fix the fact that teachers struggle to get full time gigs, we have to stop the teacher career breaks. Teachers who want to go abroad or take up another job for a while should have to give up their teaching position to do so.
No other profession can take a career break where you are allowed to go off and work somewhere else while on your career break.
Smart_Highway_7011 on
Depends on the contract tbh. I worked with teachers and their finances previously and it does depend on whether you get the full time contract but if you do you can be about 23/24 starting on 42k a year for 9 months of work a year(before anyone starts crying about grading exams I knew many teachers who either left for the 3 months or took up a second jobs over the summer which isnt something you can do in other industries)
They also get a guaranteed pay rise every year upto around 80k a year which is top of salary scale.
There is definitely nuance in regards the availability of contracts but teachers are far far far from the worst off public servants.
Whats worse is the SNAs and secretaries get absolutely reamed by the govt because they dont have a good union like the teachers and the teachers couldnt give a hoot.
LeonBackward on
Heard 2 teachers talking in the sauna last night. Both were saying how under resourced schools are and how overworked they are. Both not looking forward to heading back in this morning and talking about upcoming industrial action.
Subterraniate2 on
Christ, who selected that carpet and those curtains?
Bill_Badbody on
Strange for a travel agency to make such a statement……..
thats_pure_cat_hai on
Something is seriously wrong with a society that such important jobs to the whole community like teachers, nurses, police etc cannot afford to live, but toiling away to make money for American billionaires in unimportant roles does enable one to live relatively well off.
yankdevil on
Back in 2006 I looked into leaving tech for teaching. I was looking at teaching secondary school. First, I’m an atheist so that excluded loads of schools. Second, I’d have had to work for 20 years to get the salary I was earning then (with 13 years of experience). I stayed in tech and now make 3 times that.
Didn’t seem all that viable a career back then if I’m honest.
It’s nuts that folks don’t want to pay teachers. I don’t even have kids and I want teachers paid more. We all benefit from an educated sociey.
Front-Log3257 on
There should be shorter probation times and offer teachers permanent contracts after completion of probation. However, similar to the private sector, there should be annual reviews and any teacher not meeting performance metrics can be let go accordingly once a fair process has been completed.
The reason they cant hand out permanent contracts at the moment is, that once they are made permanent they are impossible to get rid of. Also, everyone should be allowed one 2 year career break. After that the job is put back on the market.
Ill_Celebration_4215 on
It would make the story more believable ‘that teaching is no long viable’ if there was a falling number of teachers – rather than the rising number of teachers that is the current reality.
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Thanks FFG!
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Those billionaires need more money, rather they have it then give it to wasters like teachers, nurses, guards, and other drains on society.
Good friend of mine is a teacher and I honestly have no idea what future she’s supposed to have. She’s mid 30s and house shares with 3 other teachers who all work at the same school.
Its supposed to be one of those core jobs but they’re completely screwed
By 2050, if current migration trends remain the same*, the number of children in Irish schools will fall by 22-27% (roughly -250,000).
We could use this as an opportunity to improve schools by smaller class sizes and schools with better resources through consolidated schools.
Will we do that? Not a chance. And what’s more, the ability of teachers to bargain with the state will reduce as the number of pupils falls. We need teachers, but I think it will become an increasingly unattractive career in coming years.
*If migration rates declined, the fall would be far sharper and pronounced.
Here’s the bit the teachers unions won’t say out loud: if we want to truly fix teacher contacts, and fix the fact that teachers struggle to get full time gigs, we have to stop the teacher career breaks. Teachers who want to go abroad or take up another job for a while should have to give up their teaching position to do so.
No other profession can take a career break where you are allowed to go off and work somewhere else while on your career break.
Depends on the contract tbh. I worked with teachers and their finances previously and it does depend on whether you get the full time contract but if you do you can be about 23/24 starting on 42k a year for 9 months of work a year(before anyone starts crying about grading exams I knew many teachers who either left for the 3 months or took up a second jobs over the summer which isnt something you can do in other industries)
They also get a guaranteed pay rise every year upto around 80k a year which is top of salary scale.
There is definitely nuance in regards the availability of contracts but teachers are far far far from the worst off public servants.
Whats worse is the SNAs and secretaries get absolutely reamed by the govt because they dont have a good union like the teachers and the teachers couldnt give a hoot.
Heard 2 teachers talking in the sauna last night. Both were saying how under resourced schools are and how overworked they are. Both not looking forward to heading back in this morning and talking about upcoming industrial action.
Christ, who selected that carpet and those curtains?
Strange for a travel agency to make such a statement……..
Something is seriously wrong with a society that such important jobs to the whole community like teachers, nurses, police etc cannot afford to live, but toiling away to make money for American billionaires in unimportant roles does enable one to live relatively well off.
Back in 2006 I looked into leaving tech for teaching. I was looking at teaching secondary school. First, I’m an atheist so that excluded loads of schools. Second, I’d have had to work for 20 years to get the salary I was earning then (with 13 years of experience). I stayed in tech and now make 3 times that.
Didn’t seem all that viable a career back then if I’m honest.
It’s nuts that folks don’t want to pay teachers. I don’t even have kids and I want teachers paid more. We all benefit from an educated sociey.
There should be shorter probation times and offer teachers permanent contracts after completion of probation. However, similar to the private sector, there should be annual reviews and any teacher not meeting performance metrics can be let go accordingly once a fair process has been completed.
The reason they cant hand out permanent contracts at the moment is, that once they are made permanent they are impossible to get rid of. Also, everyone should be allowed one 2 year career break. After that the job is put back on the market.
It would make the story more believable ‘that teaching is no long viable’ if there was a falling number of teachers – rather than the rising number of teachers that is the current reality.