>“They’re saying that [fuel] is double the price and they can’t sustain it,” Reddington said, adding that he has been told by a lot of those protesting today that they are locked into contracts and are losing money at the moment.
I wonder why you would sign such a contract when the risk of fuel increasing in price is so obvious?
Of course if fuel decreases in price then maybe you’re on to a winner. You’re kind of a fuel speculator at that stage though, and the government shouldn’t be interested in bailing that out.
If the problem is long term contracts that don’t price in risk then the solution can’t just be a bailout. Those who failed to price in risk are doing so on the assumption that they are systematically important enough or politically powerful enough to impose the cost, if the risk crystallises, on to the taxpayer.
The only way we should be offering relief is if it comes with a mandate to include fuel surcharges in a way that prevents this kind of behaviour by hauliers. That would also prevent them from profiting on the upside of course, which they won’t want.
Unhappy-Avocado1531 on
”The cost of fuel is making normal everyday people struggle getting to and from work, so we are making it even more difficult to get to and from work, while also wasting the fuel they have left in traffic”
wunderbar77 on
I’m normally in favour of a well meaning protest but these guys are going to regret spending all of that relatively cheap fuel on a long distance journey when fuel pumps run dry
TraditionalAppeal23 on
The simple solution here is to cut the fuel taxes and scrap all the CAP and farm subsidies to pay for it. Farmers love to complain about all the tax they pay but say nothing about the subsidies they get.
SevenIsMy on
The gas price reflects what people are willing to pay, reducing the tax -> someone else will pocket the difference, try to tax extra profits and the company will pay licence fees and make 0 profits in ireland.
The government can just put electric billboard near every gas station, it shows the lowest price and wait time for the cheapest gas station in a specific radius, if a gas station hast >15 min wait time, show the next cheapest. Its not against the law to require a little bit trasparancy.
GupnZup on
The comments in here are why nothing will change. The amount of people giving out about people protesting. And then in other threads about rent or whatever people are crying ‘why aren’t people out on the streets’
There is zero solidarity in this country any more (if there ever was).
You might not agree with their approach but at the end of the day they are doing more than people on the internet complaining and not actually doing anything tangible.
Efficient_Log_2007 on
Blocking main roads is never on in my opinion.
We will have people who might be waiting 12 months for an appointment in Beaumont or rushing to spend the last few minutes with a dying relative. People saving up all year for a holiday might miss a flight.
Super_Sonic_Eire on
Hard to see them getting much public support. We are all annoyed by fuel prices but using more fuel to protest and then cause the general public to use more fuel by being stuck behind them doesn’t seem like a great idea.
DistributionQueasy75 on
Hopefully the government will get the finger out now and repoen the straight and rebuild the refineries that have been bombed to fuck. Oh wait, ffs. They’ll be protesting over the weather next. Same fools out protesting against solar and wind. It’s a global shortage and it’s gonna be rough as fuck by the looks of things, unfortunately lowering a tax or capping the price isn’t gonna help in fact it would make things worse if it was capped because we’d probably run into supply shortages quicker.
No-Author5530 on
Protests are supposed to be disruptive 🤦♀️ whenever there’s a protest here that actually causes a disruption the top comment is always why couldn’t they do it at a more convenient time. You guys would freak out at the inconvenience caused by protests in France. It’s probably why their protests usually work 🤯
Digger2228 on
It was a miserable attempt by our government to reduce vat on petroleum products wake up Irish government and look after the people who look after you enough is enough
d12morpheous on
I cannot affoard to fill my tank with fuel so I will fill it up, drive a go slow across the mtorwsys of Ireland, block cities then psrk in the middke of a motirwsy stop people going to or from work, going to hospital appointmebts, collecting kids etc, forcing them to burn more fuel.
AND
At the same time I will draw more in subsidies from the state than they raise in taxes and exise on Fuel. Then I will demand even more subsides / support if its too sunny… or too wet.. or I over supply the market.. and of course I have the support of the public, thst I couldn’t give a fiddlers about, so what if I inconvience them or they missed their chemo appointment. Look the value of my land keeps climbing even as I claim to be making no money.
But I will protest every windfarm, every solar farm, every energy infrastructure project any attempt at electrification, mock EV’s and heat pumps and ignore the fact that its quite possible, even probable that fuel supply issues will get worse that rationing is a real risk while I burn fuel disrupting people trying to get to work, hospital, school, on with their lives forcing them to burn even more fuel..
Absolute gobshites..
Mindless-Ad-8623 on
Maybe they can drive across the golf course in Doonbeg. That should get the instgator’s attention.
The consequences probably wouldn’t be good for us, though.
Key_Perception4436 on
Seems very logical to reduce fuel tax until the war is over and then raise it back up.
mcolive on
As a farmers daughter, how do farmers have time for this protest? It’s lambing season and if you don’t have lambs you should be turning the ground for planting. The farm never stops.
I would generally agree with the protest if the aim was to reduce use of fuel by increasing work from home and reducing the speed limits but we all know throwing money at subsidies or cutting tax doesn’t reduce prices.
AggressivePie8111 on
I am a little bit stunned by some of the comments. The conversation is nuanced. Of course we can’t do anything about Hormuz, I know that and the hauliers know that.
Government can use policies to help alleviate some of the cost, use our tax money. They can do that.
Would you all accept if the government did absolutely nothing? Gave no supports whatsoever?
Mysterious_Gear_268 on
I don’t mind the inconvenience of a protest and I haven’t been inconvenienced by this one but it all just seems fairly misdirected. Inconveniencing the wrong people and with the wrong method in the context of the crisis.
As soon as these lads get their pound of flesh would they maintain solidarity with any similar protest by the average joe? I wouldn’t hold my breath.
Also a practical observation, I know I would fail my test if I didn’t maintain progress on a road. If I were going that slow on a main road, I’d almost certainly be pulled over. Why not these guys?
HUNKYDORYS on
All the luvvie duvvies on here are against working people protesting. Seems about right.
cuttlefische on
Hands down the most moronic protest to perform during an oil crisis caused entirely by external actors.
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>“They’re saying that [fuel] is double the price and they can’t sustain it,” Reddington said, adding that he has been told by a lot of those protesting today that they are locked into contracts and are losing money at the moment.
I wonder why you would sign such a contract when the risk of fuel increasing in price is so obvious?
Of course if fuel decreases in price then maybe you’re on to a winner. You’re kind of a fuel speculator at that stage though, and the government shouldn’t be interested in bailing that out.
If the problem is long term contracts that don’t price in risk then the solution can’t just be a bailout. Those who failed to price in risk are doing so on the assumption that they are systematically important enough or politically powerful enough to impose the cost, if the risk crystallises, on to the taxpayer.
The only way we should be offering relief is if it comes with a mandate to include fuel surcharges in a way that prevents this kind of behaviour by hauliers. That would also prevent them from profiting on the upside of course, which they won’t want.
”The cost of fuel is making normal everyday people struggle getting to and from work, so we are making it even more difficult to get to and from work, while also wasting the fuel they have left in traffic”
I’m normally in favour of a well meaning protest but these guys are going to regret spending all of that relatively cheap fuel on a long distance journey when fuel pumps run dry
The simple solution here is to cut the fuel taxes and scrap all the CAP and farm subsidies to pay for it. Farmers love to complain about all the tax they pay but say nothing about the subsidies they get.
The gas price reflects what people are willing to pay, reducing the tax -> someone else will pocket the difference, try to tax extra profits and the company will pay licence fees and make 0 profits in ireland.
The government can just put electric billboard near every gas station, it shows the lowest price and wait time for the cheapest gas station in a specific radius, if a gas station hast >15 min wait time, show the next cheapest. Its not against the law to require a little bit trasparancy.
The comments in here are why nothing will change. The amount of people giving out about people protesting. And then in other threads about rent or whatever people are crying ‘why aren’t people out on the streets’
There is zero solidarity in this country any more (if there ever was).
You might not agree with their approach but at the end of the day they are doing more than people on the internet complaining and not actually doing anything tangible.
Blocking main roads is never on in my opinion.
We will have people who might be waiting 12 months for an appointment in Beaumont or rushing to spend the last few minutes with a dying relative. People saving up all year for a holiday might miss a flight.
Hard to see them getting much public support. We are all annoyed by fuel prices but using more fuel to protest and then cause the general public to use more fuel by being stuck behind them doesn’t seem like a great idea.
Hopefully the government will get the finger out now and repoen the straight and rebuild the refineries that have been bombed to fuck. Oh wait, ffs. They’ll be protesting over the weather next. Same fools out protesting against solar and wind. It’s a global shortage and it’s gonna be rough as fuck by the looks of things, unfortunately lowering a tax or capping the price isn’t gonna help in fact it would make things worse if it was capped because we’d probably run into supply shortages quicker.
Protests are supposed to be disruptive 🤦♀️ whenever there’s a protest here that actually causes a disruption the top comment is always why couldn’t they do it at a more convenient time. You guys would freak out at the inconvenience caused by protests in France. It’s probably why their protests usually work 🤯
It was a miserable attempt by our government to reduce vat on petroleum products wake up Irish government and look after the people who look after you enough is enough
I cannot affoard to fill my tank with fuel so I will fill it up, drive a go slow across the mtorwsys of Ireland, block cities then psrk in the middke of a motirwsy stop people going to or from work, going to hospital appointmebts, collecting kids etc, forcing them to burn more fuel.
AND
At the same time I will draw more in subsidies from the state than they raise in taxes and exise on Fuel. Then I will demand even more subsides / support if its too sunny… or too wet.. or I over supply the market.. and of course I have the support of the public, thst I couldn’t give a fiddlers about, so what if I inconvience them or they missed their chemo appointment. Look the value of my land keeps climbing even as I claim to be making no money.
But I will protest every windfarm, every solar farm, every energy infrastructure project any attempt at electrification, mock EV’s and heat pumps and ignore the fact that its quite possible, even probable that fuel supply issues will get worse that rationing is a real risk while I burn fuel disrupting people trying to get to work, hospital, school, on with their lives forcing them to burn even more fuel..
Absolute gobshites..
Maybe they can drive across the golf course in Doonbeg. That should get the instgator’s attention.
The consequences probably wouldn’t be good for us, though.
Seems very logical to reduce fuel tax until the war is over and then raise it back up.
As a farmers daughter, how do farmers have time for this protest? It’s lambing season and if you don’t have lambs you should be turning the ground for planting. The farm never stops.
I would generally agree with the protest if the aim was to reduce use of fuel by increasing work from home and reducing the speed limits but we all know throwing money at subsidies or cutting tax doesn’t reduce prices.
I am a little bit stunned by some of the comments. The conversation is nuanced. Of course we can’t do anything about Hormuz, I know that and the hauliers know that.
Government can use policies to help alleviate some of the cost, use our tax money. They can do that.
Would you all accept if the government did absolutely nothing? Gave no supports whatsoever?
I don’t mind the inconvenience of a protest and I haven’t been inconvenienced by this one but it all just seems fairly misdirected. Inconveniencing the wrong people and with the wrong method in the context of the crisis.
As soon as these lads get their pound of flesh would they maintain solidarity with any similar protest by the average joe? I wouldn’t hold my breath.
Also a practical observation, I know I would fail my test if I didn’t maintain progress on a road. If I were going that slow on a main road, I’d almost certainly be pulled over. Why not these guys?
All the luvvie duvvies on here are against working people protesting. Seems about right.
Hands down the most moronic protest to perform during an oil crisis caused entirely by external actors.