i mean hes mostly* correct here , the taoaisech cant stop trump/iran bombing refineries and before you say tax ,
people complain if we have a heavy burden on corporation tax thats why the like s of the fuel tax exists
PeteIRL on
“Protest in the comfort of your own home so we don’t have to pay it attention.”
That’s not an endorsement of these protests, but the government will never want to hear anything about any grievance from anybody.
Entire-Gas-7651 on
He didn’t need to dig himself this hole but glad he has, will look like a massive tool now should he back down.
smashedspuds on
Disrupting everyday aspects of society is literally a standard form of protest
AdBoring9620 on
They can’t comply with these lads going off on a solo protest. If they did every beleaguered group would be parked on O’Connell Street.
Key_Duck_6293 on
Agree they are wrong but Id argue they are a dumb form of protest, not an illigitimate one.
Blocking fuel depots and cause traffic chaos for commuters is just bad PR.
Calling for tax cuts instead of plug in solar, more renewable infrastructure & wfh orders is illogical. Taxes on fuel fund our energy transition to energy independence, so when the next war breaks out we can power the nation ourselves.
Hauliers already got a specific tax measure & subsidy scheme for them, hence why the union isnt involved in this protest
DirectSpeaker3441 on
Ah cant he enjoy a week off without the commoners revolting
SoloWingPixy88 on
Why do Garda allow these tractors to roll in like this
architect102 on
Tone deaf. It says a lot that the leader of the party historically associated with farmers and rural Ireland has condemned their protest.
Even on a strategic level, he’d have been better off to say that he acknowledged the protest and then allowed someone like the minister for justice or even his nodding Tánaiste to decry blocked roads etc.
Global-Fox7764 on
What counts as a legitimate protest then so?
d12morpheous on
Why are the Gardai enabling these clowns ??
Blocking ports, airports and roads is not a legitimate form of protest
Blocking people attending hospital appointments is not a legitomate protest.
Forcing peoole to spend hours in traffic burning more fuel is not a lrgitimate form of protest.
None of these people have any power or influence in your protest.. go protest at Trumps hotel..
If I parked my car across 2 lanes and closed a motorway I would be rightly arrested..
Pro
HarryEastwoods on
He says the same thing about every other protest against the government, you know… housing, childcare, education, health services.
Proper-Beyond116 on
Is he literally borrowing my toddler’s strategy of shouting “that doesn’t count!”
SubstantialGoat912 on
>not a legitimate form of protest
Why is it not legitimate?
I’m not a fan of the protest but if they are feeling they have a need to protest, they should protest. It’s their constitutional right to do so, and they should avail themselves of the opportunity like they are doing.
Liamario on
People don’t like them, but they’re certainly legitimate. Clearly it’s working which only further legitimises them.
yankdevil on
They’re a legitimate form of protest. They’re stupid, but they’re legitimate.
MotherDucker95 on
If Martin says they are wrong…I’d be very much inclined to think the opposite
rackplead788 on
In fairness the government can’t control oil prices, so he half has a point.
But would it be wrong if this type of mass protest was held in relation to an issue like housing? No is the answer in my opinion
PizzaSandwich2020 on
Thats what a peaceful protest is.
Stupid cuhhnt
LittleAoibh11 on
They should go to Doonbeg and the American Embassy ffs. Why should ordinary Irish citizens miss hospital appointments over something a tangerine ogre has done in another country? Why are they targeting Irish people in their protest? Very poor ethics.
jumpbutton23 on
To a certain type of person there really is no correct way to protest, and I’m sure that type of person makes up most of our government.
10-12ish years ago, in the heyday of twitter, the buzzword of the time was ‘slacktivism’ to describe the new wave of hashtagging, petitioning, putting stuff up on your instagram as a form of protest. People used it to scoff at online activism as completely ineffective, and only used by lazy millenials who dont want to leave their house or do any actual protesting or work.
Now it’s also considered not real activism to do what these lads are doing.
Don’t be lazy but also don’t be too active and don’t inconvenience people but also I’ll scoff at your protests if it doesn’t have a meaningful act of defiance to it.
Chingaso-Deluxe on
I don’t know why Martin doesn’t just go over to Iran with a machine gun like fuckin Rambo and open the strait of Hormuz himself. Like what did we even elect him for?
Excellent_Porridge on
I support protests and live in Dublin so have been inconvenienced by this. However, I think this group,is so selfish – they would be furious if a climate action group blocked a motorway or wasted fuel etc. They only care about themselves in a very cute hoor way. I imagine most of them think climate change is b*llocks and want to just keep burning diesel without even entertaining the fact that it is finite and will run one day. However, these lads are old enough that they won’t be affected, it’s younger generations that will pay the price.
-Rocketa- on
They’re behaving like thugs this morning.
They’re physically blocking footpaths as well as the roads and buses.
I got into it with one of these morons when I asked them to move and was threatened with being thrown into the Liffey because I disagreed with them. I was squared up to – which was quite exciting as it’s been a while! His chum then chimed in with “you must be supporting the n-words!” except not so politely.
They insulted my 86 year old grandmother while she tried to do her shopping and she asked them to move. She needs a trolley to walk with and they’re blocking her. She can barely stand.
Fuck these animals.
NightChiropmon on
The way they’re trying to turn everyone against the protestors is insidious. They’ll do anything except address the issues.
The_Peyote_Coyote on
They absolutely are a valid *form* of protest. Full stop. No argument. Protests should disrupt the status quo.
I still have some questions regarding who precisely is organizing them and what exactly do they want the Irish state to do exactly?
Is this all farmers and independent lorry drivers who pay their own fuel (is that a thing?)? Is this a “capital strike” where corporations are organizing this protest to get the government to subsidize what would otherwise be a cost of doing business? I have a lot more solidarity with the former group than the latter, obviously.
And what precisely could the government do on such short notice? This isn’t FF mismanagement for once, it’s the consequence of a war that Ireland has no involvement in. I genuinely don’t know what sort of response is reasonable given the volatility of the situation.
Ill_Today_5451 on
Same people protesting go up in flames when just stop oil do it but apparently its different when its loaded farmers doing it
MrBulwark on
I don’t like the man, but he’s correct here.
Kevin_or on
Hard men farmers standing in front of cars in the middle of busy junctions. Send the guards in to crack some skulls. No other “protest” group would get away with this shit. Just saw some clown start on a bloke who got out of his car to ask them to move. Pathetic shower
PoppedCork on
What does the Taoiseach think are legitimate forms of protest?
Caboosicle on
As much as I dislike the weasel, the actual quote is what many people here have been saying
“The protests at the moment are wrong. To prevent mobility, to prevent people from accessing livelihoods, medical appointments, disrupting day-to-day activities in the manner that has happened is wrong, and is a wrong form of protest.”
The question I have is if the OP here is intentionally misquoting and taking quotes out of context to try to fan the flames or just has zero comprehension abilities like so many others of the “organisers” on Facebook?
Garbarrage on
Does anyone actually care about a politician’s opinion about how people protest?
Crassus87 on
I don’t like these fuel protests, but I can recognise that that’s the point. A “legitimate form of protest” is a form of protest that can be happily ignored. If protestors aren’t disruptive they aren’t listened to.
_Belfast_Boy_ on
Should have been a dirty protest.
MAVERICK910 on
Completely out of touch response.
People are really suffering in this country with the price of everything and pure greed that’s evident in large amount of society.
FFFG would want to be carefully that this doesn’t grow legs and break out into wider protests about the cost of living.
The first thing they can do is cut out this glacial pace in which prices come down. The war is likely over now but the price at the pump won’t come down for months. Enough of this nonsense.
Immortal_Tuttle on
Then. Put solar panels on every roof on Ireland. Install proper station battery at every house. Balance with microgrids. Then stop punishing tariffs on EVs.That will remove about a million of internal combustion cars from the roads and over a million of heating fuel recipients. This will reduce our energy dependency as a country, provide surplus of around 1GW on average which will allow to stop building 4 additional fossil fuel power plants under the guise of “peak power plants” (sorry peak power plant that has planned runtime of up to 30 minutes per day for a total of 90h per year equipped with a gas turbine that needs 22 minutes to spin up to nominal operating specs and additionally there is a note in turbine specs that frequent spin up and spin down is not recommended and reduces turbine lifetime by 60% – yeah, not suspicious at all).
You have solution at your fingertips. Solar panels and battery tech is cheapest in history. Inverters cost peanuts. Microgrid power balancing on estate and town levels was presented to the government multiple times, starting over decade ago.
Not doing anything in this direction “is wrong”.
FloppyTomatoes on
Well, it worked. One day later and there is a ceasefire and oil prices have already decreased.
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i mean hes mostly* correct here , the taoaisech cant stop trump/iran bombing refineries and before you say tax ,
people complain if we have a heavy burden on corporation tax thats why the like s of the fuel tax exists
“Protest in the comfort of your own home so we don’t have to pay it attention.”
That’s not an endorsement of these protests, but the government will never want to hear anything about any grievance from anybody.
He didn’t need to dig himself this hole but glad he has, will look like a massive tool now should he back down.
Disrupting everyday aspects of society is literally a standard form of protest
They can’t comply with these lads going off on a solo protest. If they did every beleaguered group would be parked on O’Connell Street.
Agree they are wrong but Id argue they are a dumb form of protest, not an illigitimate one.
Blocking fuel depots and cause traffic chaos for commuters is just bad PR.
Calling for tax cuts instead of plug in solar, more renewable infrastructure & wfh orders is illogical. Taxes on fuel fund our energy transition to energy independence, so when the next war breaks out we can power the nation ourselves.
Hauliers already got a specific tax measure & subsidy scheme for them, hence why the union isnt involved in this protest
Ah cant he enjoy a week off without the commoners revolting
Why do Garda allow these tractors to roll in like this
Tone deaf. It says a lot that the leader of the party historically associated with farmers and rural Ireland has condemned their protest.
Even on a strategic level, he’d have been better off to say that he acknowledged the protest and then allowed someone like the minister for justice or even his nodding Tánaiste to decry blocked roads etc.
What counts as a legitimate protest then so?
Why are the Gardai enabling these clowns ??
Blocking ports, airports and roads is not a legitimate form of protest
Blocking people attending hospital appointments is not a legitomate protest.
Forcing peoole to spend hours in traffic burning more fuel is not a lrgitimate form of protest.
None of these people have any power or influence in your protest.. go protest at Trumps hotel..
If I parked my car across 2 lanes and closed a motorway I would be rightly arrested..
Pro
He says the same thing about every other protest against the government, you know… housing, childcare, education, health services.
Is he literally borrowing my toddler’s strategy of shouting “that doesn’t count!”
>not a legitimate form of protest
Why is it not legitimate?
I’m not a fan of the protest but if they are feeling they have a need to protest, they should protest. It’s their constitutional right to do so, and they should avail themselves of the opportunity like they are doing.
People don’t like them, but they’re certainly legitimate. Clearly it’s working which only further legitimises them.
They’re a legitimate form of protest. They’re stupid, but they’re legitimate.
If Martin says they are wrong…I’d be very much inclined to think the opposite
In fairness the government can’t control oil prices, so he half has a point.
But would it be wrong if this type of mass protest was held in relation to an issue like housing? No is the answer in my opinion
Thats what a peaceful protest is.
Stupid cuhhnt
They should go to Doonbeg and the American Embassy ffs. Why should ordinary Irish citizens miss hospital appointments over something a tangerine ogre has done in another country? Why are they targeting Irish people in their protest? Very poor ethics.
To a certain type of person there really is no correct way to protest, and I’m sure that type of person makes up most of our government.
10-12ish years ago, in the heyday of twitter, the buzzword of the time was ‘slacktivism’ to describe the new wave of hashtagging, petitioning, putting stuff up on your instagram as a form of protest. People used it to scoff at online activism as completely ineffective, and only used by lazy millenials who dont want to leave their house or do any actual protesting or work.
Now it’s also considered not real activism to do what these lads are doing.
Don’t be lazy but also don’t be too active and don’t inconvenience people but also I’ll scoff at your protests if it doesn’t have a meaningful act of defiance to it.
I don’t know why Martin doesn’t just go over to Iran with a machine gun like fuckin Rambo and open the strait of Hormuz himself. Like what did we even elect him for?
I support protests and live in Dublin so have been inconvenienced by this. However, I think this group,is so selfish – they would be furious if a climate action group blocked a motorway or wasted fuel etc. They only care about themselves in a very cute hoor way. I imagine most of them think climate change is b*llocks and want to just keep burning diesel without even entertaining the fact that it is finite and will run one day. However, these lads are old enough that they won’t be affected, it’s younger generations that will pay the price.
They’re behaving like thugs this morning.
They’re physically blocking footpaths as well as the roads and buses.
I got into it with one of these morons when I asked them to move and was threatened with being thrown into the Liffey because I disagreed with them. I was squared up to – which was quite exciting as it’s been a while! His chum then chimed in with “you must be supporting the n-words!” except not so politely.
They insulted my 86 year old grandmother while she tried to do her shopping and she asked them to move. She needs a trolley to walk with and they’re blocking her. She can barely stand.
Fuck these animals.
The way they’re trying to turn everyone against the protestors is insidious. They’ll do anything except address the issues.
They absolutely are a valid *form* of protest. Full stop. No argument. Protests should disrupt the status quo.
I still have some questions regarding who precisely is organizing them and what exactly do they want the Irish state to do exactly?
Is this all farmers and independent lorry drivers who pay their own fuel (is that a thing?)? Is this a “capital strike” where corporations are organizing this protest to get the government to subsidize what would otherwise be a cost of doing business? I have a lot more solidarity with the former group than the latter, obviously.
And what precisely could the government do on such short notice? This isn’t FF mismanagement for once, it’s the consequence of a war that Ireland has no involvement in. I genuinely don’t know what sort of response is reasonable given the volatility of the situation.
Same people protesting go up in flames when just stop oil do it but apparently its different when its loaded farmers doing it
I don’t like the man, but he’s correct here.
Hard men farmers standing in front of cars in the middle of busy junctions. Send the guards in to crack some skulls. No other “protest” group would get away with this shit. Just saw some clown start on a bloke who got out of his car to ask them to move. Pathetic shower
What does the Taoiseach think are legitimate forms of protest?
As much as I dislike the weasel, the actual quote is what many people here have been saying
“The protests at the moment are wrong. To prevent mobility, to prevent people from accessing livelihoods, medical appointments, disrupting day-to-day activities in the manner that has happened is wrong, and is a wrong form of protest.”
The question I have is if the OP here is intentionally misquoting and taking quotes out of context to try to fan the flames or just has zero comprehension abilities like so many others of the “organisers” on Facebook?
Does anyone actually care about a politician’s opinion about how people protest?
I don’t like these fuel protests, but I can recognise that that’s the point. A “legitimate form of protest” is a form of protest that can be happily ignored. If protestors aren’t disruptive they aren’t listened to.
Should have been a dirty protest.
Completely out of touch response.
People are really suffering in this country with the price of everything and pure greed that’s evident in large amount of society.
FFFG would want to be carefully that this doesn’t grow legs and break out into wider protests about the cost of living.
The first thing they can do is cut out this glacial pace in which prices come down. The war is likely over now but the price at the pump won’t come down for months. Enough of this nonsense.
Then. Put solar panels on every roof on Ireland. Install proper station battery at every house. Balance with microgrids. Then stop punishing tariffs on EVs.That will remove about a million of internal combustion cars from the roads and over a million of heating fuel recipients. This will reduce our energy dependency as a country, provide surplus of around 1GW on average which will allow to stop building 4 additional fossil fuel power plants under the guise of “peak power plants” (sorry peak power plant that has planned runtime of up to 30 minutes per day for a total of 90h per year equipped with a gas turbine that needs 22 minutes to spin up to nominal operating specs and additionally there is a note in turbine specs that frequent spin up and spin down is not recommended and reduces turbine lifetime by 60% – yeah, not suspicious at all).
You have solution at your fingertips. Solar panels and battery tech is cheapest in history. Inverters cost peanuts. Microgrid power balancing on estate and town levels was presented to the government multiple times, starting over decade ago.
Not doing anything in this direction “is wrong”.
Well, it worked. One day later and there is a ceasefire and oil prices have already decreased.