Shoplifting is basically legal now so good luck to the supermarkets
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>There is no evidence to suggest that UK supermarkets are using algorithm-driven dynamic pricing at present
Ok, guess I will stop reading then. What a whole load of fucking shite.
LopsidedLegs on
Coming soon to a supermarket near you more enshitification.
gopercolate on
Shop elsewhere or go without until they realise you’re not going to pay whatever just because… and do the British thing of writing a strongly worded letter.
Ok-Western3626 on
Damn, I thought this video was a skit, not a policy proposal.
The thing with this is they hurt themselves. I’ve stopped buying the more expensive things because I refuse to pay that price. So now I buy less and the cheaper stuff. If people keep paying it they’ll keep putting it up. Don’t buy it till it comes back to a fair value. I stopped buying cheese completely even the cheap isn’t cheap anymore
Kristoff_Victorson on
Sounds awfully similar to profiteering which is illegal…
BarnytheBrit on
More shoplifting could be coming to Supermarkets in unrelated news
recursant on
I used to shop at Safeway, around the turn of the century, before they were taken over by Morrison’s. They introduced something like this, and there was talk of them using it for surge pricing. I can’t remember whether that was just a rumour or whether they had announced something like that.
As I remember, the actual price display was a tiny monochrome LCD, basically like you would get on an old-school Casio watch. So not the easiest thing to read. I think they had technical difficulties keeping them up to date. And, whether it was true or not, people were hostile to the surge pricing idea. So they didn’t last long.
Delicious_Bet_6336 on
So surge wages to compensate for busier times will also be standard then? What’s that? No? hmmnnnn
Anonymous-Cows on
Can’t wait to pay “peak time cheese” no one ever
French people have thrown CEOs out of windows for less than that.
Standard_Response_43 on
Great, so between my nectar/co-op/Tesco cards I now have to 🛒 in non peak times.
I can see some prices rising right when people get off work to pick some food up for the evening meal.
If it’s possible and will improve the profit margin….it will happen, mind u, prices are going up all the time….must be a pain in the ass to change the prices manually and expensive 🫰
ExoneratedPhoenix on
“Hey ChatGPT, when should I go shopping for lower prices based on AI algorithms to make the prices”
So everyone goes cheaper times, and AI sees this so changes the algorithm and those times become pricey.
“Hey ChatGPT, seems there’s been an update, now when is the best time?”
It will be that song and dance every few months. Only now staffing levels will be always wrong. Suddenly a random Wednesday 9pm 400 customers arrive for cheaper goods, so the manager ups next Wednesday’s staff to find the new best time is Monday 11am where the 400 arrive.
This is dog chasing tail stuff.
TeflonBoy on
Digital price tags, AI facial ID’s, you will be profiled and pay the maximum amount the algo thinks you can afford.
Oh what a beautiful future!
08148694 on
They’ve had this for a long time
“Club car price”, “rollback”, etc
This is the opposite of surge pricing, it’s price reductions to encourage people to buy items that have too much stock or with stock which will be expiring soon
Through another lens you could flip it and say that anything not “on offer” is “surge price”, but the optics of that are worse than money off
EuphoricCover8449 on
Shopping at 5am and turning my phone off when I get to the supermarket is my best defence right?
BikeProblemGuy on
I really have no idea why people are so pissy about dynamic pricing, as if retailers haven’t always changed prices to respond to changes in supply and demand.
Yes, capitalism sucks, rising cost of living sucks, but this is a small issue.
360Saturn on
Doesn’t this already basically happen?
Everyone knows suncream shoots up in the summer and is cheaper in the winter, supply & demand.
jonny-p on
I’m in two minds. If it’s very tightly regulated to prevent profiteering then I can see it might be useful to reduce food waste (supermarkets waste a criminal amount of food) buy reducing the price of items they have excess of and need to clear. Prices would need to go down as regularly as they go up meaning averaged over a weekly shop people are paying the same amount they would be otherwise. Supermarkets already jack the prices up in response to supply and demand, I had to go without olive oil for the best part of a year as I refused to pay over £10 a bottle. The biggest issue I can see would be for those who are on tight budgets and need to plan their shop in advance. As someone else posted I would also expect to see surge wage increases for staff during busy periods.
Of course supermarkets absolutely will use this technology for profiteering and the government are terrible at regulating them so I’m against it.
Heavy_Jackfruit4392 on
Like they aren’t already.
Small bag of mini eggs was a fiver last week
Otherwise-Belt4892 on
I do a bin dive once a week early into the morning hours of a local M&S
AvadaBalaclava on
20 yesrs ago I was told all vending machines would be moving to a model where they put prices up on hot days.. yet to happen
shagwana on
I just cant see how this could be implemented.
In supermarkets, the shelf will show a price then by the time you walk to the till its a different price?. Sounds highly implausible and rife grounds for lots of bad newspaper headlines and ill will with customers.
I could see it being a different price on a different day, maybe BBQ coals and meats are more expensive in the summer v the winter, however this already happens.
Dynamic pricing in supermarkets as this article pertains too is nothing but a scare story/fairy tail. Digital market places like Ticketmaster, who already do this nonsense already get plenty of bad press about it when it goes wrong (Oasis tickets a while ago).
TheLightStalker on
If you’re not bulk buying Rice, Pasta, Teabags, Toilet roll, Soap etc online then you’re being ripped off.
Akedi on
If they do this, I will just steal expensive things
TheRealCostaS on
Of course they use algorithms to help price their products. I work in this field and I know what they use.
woowizzle on
Introduce surge pricing.
Limit the hours you are open.
Every hour is a surge hour.
SeyiDALegend on
Greedflation off the back of the Iran War gonna hit different though
PassingShot11 on
Surging upwards never down.. like when a utility company writes to you about “changes” in your billing, never downwards
New-Bit-8931 on
You pick an item off the shelf with it stating £3.50. You get to the till and the price has gone up to £4.50 without you knowing. You also can not argue that the price was £3:50 on the shelf as it would now be showing £4.50.
Multiply that by all the items in your basket/trolley and this is a recipe for real till shock pricing.
Would either have to use their portable scanners and check each item as it is scanned. Or to photo the shelf of every item, then compare the picture as scan each item at the till. Taking ages.
setokaiba22 on
A lot of people aren’t reading the actual ‘fact’ in the article and just the headline and it’s ridiculous.
They also can’t introduce surge pricing as they can’t increase the price once open they can only reduce.
Legally you can’t have a customer take a bottle of milk for example off the shelf and buy the time they’ve got to the till it’s gone up in price.
They’d have to wait till they have closed to do so
From my time in retail honestly digital pricing is a god send. It’ll save a ton of sticker & paperwaste each day for some retailers and save an awful lot of time. Nothing worse then starting a shift and having 500 price changes to roll out by hand
Ok-Witness4724 on
Both electronic and paper shelf edge tickets and price systems don’t work this way. They’re all so old that overnight in the fastest they can make a change. So you won’t see sandwiches getting hiked by 20% over lunchtime, but it’s is possible for them to raise it overnight, so think whole chickens being more expensive on a weekend. Though most systems also don’t process updates after 5pm on a Friday or on weekends, so this isn’t something to worry about.
AdrianFish on
Any fucking excuse. I guess the prices will tumble down when everything’s ok again?
russ_knightlife on
If they do this, people will just start vandalising imo
TinitusTheRed on
How about preemptively ban it? That way we as consumers avoid the stupidity and greed of it.
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Shoplifting is basically legal now so good luck to the supermarkets
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>There is no evidence to suggest that UK supermarkets are using algorithm-driven dynamic pricing at present
Ok, guess I will stop reading then. What a whole load of fucking shite.
Coming soon to a supermarket near you more enshitification.
Shop elsewhere or go without until they realise you’re not going to pay whatever just because… and do the British thing of writing a strongly worded letter.
Damn, I thought this video was a skit, not a policy proposal.
[https://youtube.com/shorts/Nt5MXnZE7bU?si=dN_p3hGzSz5iAuYU](https://youtube.com/shorts/Nt5MXnZE7bU?si=dN_p3hGzSz5iAuYU)
The thing with this is they hurt themselves. I’ve stopped buying the more expensive things because I refuse to pay that price. So now I buy less and the cheaper stuff. If people keep paying it they’ll keep putting it up. Don’t buy it till it comes back to a fair value. I stopped buying cheese completely even the cheap isn’t cheap anymore
Sounds awfully similar to profiteering which is illegal…
More shoplifting could be coming to Supermarkets in unrelated news
I used to shop at Safeway, around the turn of the century, before they were taken over by Morrison’s. They introduced something like this, and there was talk of them using it for surge pricing. I can’t remember whether that was just a rumour or whether they had announced something like that.
As I remember, the actual price display was a tiny monochrome LCD, basically like you would get on an old-school Casio watch. So not the easiest thing to read. I think they had technical difficulties keeping them up to date. And, whether it was true or not, people were hostile to the surge pricing idea. So they didn’t last long.
So surge wages to compensate for busier times will also be standard then? What’s that? No? hmmnnnn
Can’t wait to pay “peak time cheese” no one ever
French people have thrown CEOs out of windows for less than that.
Great, so between my nectar/co-op/Tesco cards I now have to 🛒 in non peak times.
I can see some prices rising right when people get off work to pick some food up for the evening meal.
If it’s possible and will improve the profit margin….it will happen, mind u, prices are going up all the time….must be a pain in the ass to change the prices manually and expensive 🫰
“Hey ChatGPT, when should I go shopping for lower prices based on AI algorithms to make the prices”
So everyone goes cheaper times, and AI sees this so changes the algorithm and those times become pricey.
“Hey ChatGPT, seems there’s been an update, now when is the best time?”
It will be that song and dance every few months. Only now staffing levels will be always wrong. Suddenly a random Wednesday 9pm 400 customers arrive for cheaper goods, so the manager ups next Wednesday’s staff to find the new best time is Monday 11am where the 400 arrive.
This is dog chasing tail stuff.
Digital price tags, AI facial ID’s, you will be profiled and pay the maximum amount the algo thinks you can afford.
Oh what a beautiful future!
They’ve had this for a long time
“Club car price”, “rollback”, etc
This is the opposite of surge pricing, it’s price reductions to encourage people to buy items that have too much stock or with stock which will be expiring soon
Through another lens you could flip it and say that anything not “on offer” is “surge price”, but the optics of that are worse than money off
Shopping at 5am and turning my phone off when I get to the supermarket is my best defence right?
I really have no idea why people are so pissy about dynamic pricing, as if retailers haven’t always changed prices to respond to changes in supply and demand.
Yes, capitalism sucks, rising cost of living sucks, but this is a small issue.
Doesn’t this already basically happen?
Everyone knows suncream shoots up in the summer and is cheaper in the winter, supply & demand.
I’m in two minds. If it’s very tightly regulated to prevent profiteering then I can see it might be useful to reduce food waste (supermarkets waste a criminal amount of food) buy reducing the price of items they have excess of and need to clear. Prices would need to go down as regularly as they go up meaning averaged over a weekly shop people are paying the same amount they would be otherwise. Supermarkets already jack the prices up in response to supply and demand, I had to go without olive oil for the best part of a year as I refused to pay over £10 a bottle. The biggest issue I can see would be for those who are on tight budgets and need to plan their shop in advance. As someone else posted I would also expect to see surge wage increases for staff during busy periods.
Of course supermarkets absolutely will use this technology for profiteering and the government are terrible at regulating them so I’m against it.
Like they aren’t already.
Small bag of mini eggs was a fiver last week
I do a bin dive once a week early into the morning hours of a local M&S
20 yesrs ago I was told all vending machines would be moving to a model where they put prices up on hot days.. yet to happen
I just cant see how this could be implemented.
In supermarkets, the shelf will show a price then by the time you walk to the till its a different price?. Sounds highly implausible and rife grounds for lots of bad newspaper headlines and ill will with customers.
I could see it being a different price on a different day, maybe BBQ coals and meats are more expensive in the summer v the winter, however this already happens.
Dynamic pricing in supermarkets as this article pertains too is nothing but a scare story/fairy tail. Digital market places like Ticketmaster, who already do this nonsense already get plenty of bad press about it when it goes wrong (Oasis tickets a while ago).
If you’re not bulk buying Rice, Pasta, Teabags, Toilet roll, Soap etc online then you’re being ripped off.
If they do this, I will just steal expensive things
Of course they use algorithms to help price their products. I work in this field and I know what they use.
Introduce surge pricing.
Limit the hours you are open.
Every hour is a surge hour.
Greedflation off the back of the Iran War gonna hit different though
Surging upwards never down.. like when a utility company writes to you about “changes” in your billing, never downwards
You pick an item off the shelf with it stating £3.50. You get to the till and the price has gone up to £4.50 without you knowing. You also can not argue that the price was £3:50 on the shelf as it would now be showing £4.50.
Multiply that by all the items in your basket/trolley and this is a recipe for real till shock pricing.
Would either have to use their portable scanners and check each item as it is scanned. Or to photo the shelf of every item, then compare the picture as scan each item at the till. Taking ages.
A lot of people aren’t reading the actual ‘fact’ in the article and just the headline and it’s ridiculous.
They also can’t introduce surge pricing as they can’t increase the price once open they can only reduce.
Legally you can’t have a customer take a bottle of milk for example off the shelf and buy the time they’ve got to the till it’s gone up in price.
They’d have to wait till they have closed to do so
From my time in retail honestly digital pricing is a god send. It’ll save a ton of sticker & paperwaste each day for some retailers and save an awful lot of time. Nothing worse then starting a shift and having 500 price changes to roll out by hand
Both electronic and paper shelf edge tickets and price systems don’t work this way. They’re all so old that overnight in the fastest they can make a change. So you won’t see sandwiches getting hiked by 20% over lunchtime, but it’s is possible for them to raise it overnight, so think whole chickens being more expensive on a weekend. Though most systems also don’t process updates after 5pm on a Friday or on weekends, so this isn’t something to worry about.
Any fucking excuse. I guess the prices will tumble down when everything’s ok again?
If they do this, people will just start vandalising imo
How about preemptively ban it? That way we as consumers avoid the stupidity and greed of it.
Really simple.