Gotto give it to trump, he really made us realize just how much we got in common with other countries.
TokyoBaguette on
47s not gonna be happy with that… NATO’s history I guess.
Then what? Israel in conflict with Turkey in a few years?
Where does this horror show stops?
LifeAcanthopterygii6 on
You know the timeline is seriously fucked up when Turkey’s government is the one talking sense.
ruskyandrei on
Wish Rutte would say this smh.
ElizBorneopentowork on
There is one country that could help reopen the straight, but I am told they’re too busy bombing Lebanon.
Apparently, Israel stopping their attack is not even an option for the White House. They’d rather keep trying to blame NATO and the EU who were opposed to all this shitshow in the first place.
Single_Reference7701 on
This shows that NATO members don’t always agree on how to handle every conflict. A unified response is hard because of different strategic interests.
morbihann on
Not only not obliged, but NATO has nothing to do with places not specifically mentioned in the treaty. The strait in question is adjacent to the Indian ocean and is not part of the territory of any of NATO’s members.
It is a problem created entirely and exclussively by the USA and neither EU nor NATO at large has any reason to get involved in USA’s personal shit decisions.
esmifra on
What does NATO has to do with the strait at this point?
Aferimus on
NATO is a defensive alliance. If Americans are happy to die for Israel’s interest, let them be. But dont involve NATO
thrownkitchensink on
Rutte is trying to keep NATO together by sucking up to Trump. At some point though NATO countries will tell the US it’s fine. Withdraw your 60 thousand troops. Leave NATO bases, leave command positions, leave your places from where operations in Africa and the Middle east are coordinated. Take your nuclear missiles too.
Anyone understands that such an operation is very very costly. It would terribly weaken the US. It would take years. In that time European partners will have to replace those soldiers and positions. Replace US infrastructure including the nuclear umbrella, intelligence etc. That would put a burden on those countries but it’s doable. Preparations in Europe have been going on for a while now. They have sped up a few times too. Greenland comes to mind. Most difficult is to find a political command that’s agile enough for large scale conflict.
In some ways this is the neighbor that’s using our shed in our garden. The neighbor sometimes does some jobs for us. But lately he’s mostly just doing work for his own house. That house doesn’t look great either. Now he’s threatening to leave our shed in our garden. OK.
The US leaving NATO and Europe will make for a European NATO and a weakened US with less projection power. It’s just the instable period in between that has the risks. But a large scale withdrawal of 60.000 troops takes time.
Hot-Spread3565 on
Turkiye isn’t what they try to portray themselves as, if money is involved they’ll betray their muslin brothers, Israel could be stopped dead in its tracks if Turkiye turned of their crude oil, Turkiye has a pipeline that feeds israel with crude oil from Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan
ThoughtShes18 on
1.5 month ago it wasn’t closed… I wonder what happened? America happened…
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Gotto give it to trump, he really made us realize just how much we got in common with other countries.
47s not gonna be happy with that… NATO’s history I guess.
Then what? Israel in conflict with Turkey in a few years?
Where does this horror show stops?
You know the timeline is seriously fucked up when Turkey’s government is the one talking sense.
Wish Rutte would say this smh.
There is one country that could help reopen the straight, but I am told they’re too busy bombing Lebanon.
Apparently, Israel stopping their attack is not even an option for the White House. They’d rather keep trying to blame NATO and the EU who were opposed to all this shitshow in the first place.
This shows that NATO members don’t always agree on how to handle every conflict. A unified response is hard because of different strategic interests.
Not only not obliged, but NATO has nothing to do with places not specifically mentioned in the treaty. The strait in question is adjacent to the Indian ocean and is not part of the territory of any of NATO’s members.
It is a problem created entirely and exclussively by the USA and neither EU nor NATO at large has any reason to get involved in USA’s personal shit decisions.
What does NATO has to do with the strait at this point?
NATO is a defensive alliance. If Americans are happy to die for Israel’s interest, let them be. But dont involve NATO
Rutte is trying to keep NATO together by sucking up to Trump. At some point though NATO countries will tell the US it’s fine. Withdraw your 60 thousand troops. Leave NATO bases, leave command positions, leave your places from where operations in Africa and the Middle east are coordinated. Take your nuclear missiles too.
Anyone understands that such an operation is very very costly. It would terribly weaken the US. It would take years. In that time European partners will have to replace those soldiers and positions. Replace US infrastructure including the nuclear umbrella, intelligence etc. That would put a burden on those countries but it’s doable. Preparations in Europe have been going on for a while now. They have sped up a few times too. Greenland comes to mind. Most difficult is to find a political command that’s agile enough for large scale conflict.
In some ways this is the neighbor that’s using our shed in our garden. The neighbor sometimes does some jobs for us. But lately he’s mostly just doing work for his own house. That house doesn’t look great either. Now he’s threatening to leave our shed in our garden. OK.
The US leaving NATO and Europe will make for a European NATO and a weakened US with less projection power. It’s just the instable period in between that has the risks. But a large scale withdrawal of 60.000 troops takes time.
Turkiye isn’t what they try to portray themselves as, if money is involved they’ll betray their muslin brothers, Israel could be stopped dead in its tracks if Turkiye turned of their crude oil, Turkiye has a pipeline that feeds israel with crude oil from Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan
1.5 month ago it wasn’t closed… I wonder what happened? America happened…