Petrol stations would have been on the receiving end of Molotov Cocktails, but no-one can afford to buy the fuel /s
trmetroidmaniac on
Protests aren’t going to stop Israel and America in their war. The UK can do very little about this problem.
Scratchback3141 on
The government can’t open the strait of Hormuz. Until it opens there is literally lass petrol and diesel to go around, subsidising demand just exacerbates shortages elsewhere. People have the right to protest anyway, but if they attempt to bring the country to a standstill they government should bring the army in pretty quickly before they cripple the road networks.
beIIe-and-sebastian on
Are the farmers planning to protest outside the Whitehouse and The Knesset in Israel?
RecentTwo544 on
Just as a heads up too – Ireland already going full-French on this, with tractors and truckers doing full on blockades of motorways and major roads, which is barely getting any coverage over here despite them being our neighbours.
I’m not sure what people really expect to achieve with this though. It’s not like government policy here or in Ireland is affecting fuel prices. It’s the orange idiot and his war.
skate_2 on
Good thing companies insisted everyone return to office needlessly.Â
Grim_Reaper17 on
Need more defence spending so might as well get used to the idea of higher taxes.
simanthropy on
So many geniuses here suggesting reducing fuel duty, so that we can all afford petrol again, so that we can all buy some, conveniently ignoring the fact that THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PETROL IN THE COUNTRY
Your choices are:
1. Subsidise petrol until it runs out, then, I guess, idk, let’s not think too hard about that?
2. Subsidise petrol but introduce rationing (no one seems to be suggesting this, wonder why, oh yeah cause idiots just want things without thinking about how they get them like fucking toddlers)
3. Let economics do its thing to mitigate demand (ie pricing people out)
None of those are a good solution – all of them result in people not having enough fuel. BUT THOSE ARE LITERALLY THE ONLY 3 (short term) OPTIONS
What is protesting going to do exactly???
Solidus27 on
What is that going to achieve?
We shouldn’t despair, but this war has put us all in the shit and there is nothing that can be done about it except trying to stem and limit the damage.
But as with covid, some people just won’t accept bad news
bornready2024 on
How about forcing the petrol stations a max price per litre. Hasn’t the price of a barrel of oil come down since then. How can it still be rising
Competitive_Pen7192 on
As silly as the folk in Ireland protesting.
Trump is literally dragging us all down yet he still has supporters here and there.
Nothing anyone outside the White House can do anything about this. Even if the UK government cut fuel duty it would mean cuts in other places as less tax revenue.
Due-Resort-2699 on
Unless you’re staging your protest in the White House and the Knesset, it’s going to do fuck all.
Yes the government can help more with sorting our fuel duty , but that also means massively reducing income to the government at a time we need massive boosts to both the NHS and defence spending
Grumpalo65 on
The UK government is carefully monitoring the situation……..
darklite86 on
I remember when this happened in the Tony Blair government and the protests were cut off after a week because they were unpopular especially when ambulances and NHS staff needed to get to there jobs.
I do understand it’s hitting people hard, but it’s a tricky situation for the government to be in when economic factors are outside their control, a fuel duty cut might happen but fuel prices are still rising and rising.
I also think that people should look into the EV route, they don’t need fuel that fluctuates on a daily basis and with the right deal on your supplier you could pay very little (so much as <£5 a charge).
LargeLetter1 on
Telegraph desperately hoping if it writes enough clickbait articles to blame Starmer instead of their man, Trump, it will incite protests.
MandatoryBeer on
Same folks who’d be doing these blockades will be the same ones who have spent years demanding the book is thrown at Just Stop Oil folks who block roads. Hope they get treated similarly for just stopping oil!
HormuzVengeance on
I’m going to put my perspective in as an Iranian who lives in Britain.
Firstly, the islamic republic is an illegitimate occupying terrorist junta in Iran. It is not Iran.
What we’re seeing here is the consequences of the world largely allowing a terrorist organisation to control a country and its assets; and I worded it that way deliberately.
Mojtaba Khamenei has billions in property invested in the UK – particularly in London. His dad has (had? Now he’s dead) a base in Maida Vale.
They have invested billions into various islamic centres across the uk which act as radicalisation and spy centres.
Now here’s where I think Keir’s government has fucked up.
When the massacre took place in Iran in January where the islamic republic killed 30,000 civilians in the streets, we diaspora wrote to the MPs and pressured them into proscribing the IRGC as a terrorist organisation. This would allow the government to expel the diplomats and more importantly seize their capital and assets as they are all fronts for terroristic activity, and these assets and capital could be utilised in the circulating UK economy for the time being.
David Lammy when he was in opposition said that labour would do this if they took office.
Now Keir has said that the law prohibits them from doing so as the IR is a state. This is a lie as nowhere in the Terrorist Act 2000 does it differentiate between statehood or otherwise. This means effectively that this is the government’s policy interpretation and not a statutory limit of the law. Furthermore the law was the same when David Lammy outlined plans to proscribe them in opposition.
So Keir’s government has refused to follow in the footsteps of much of the larger world in proscribing the IRGC, and that’s left their assets untouched and we’re seeing exactly what a terrorist organisation in charge of economic influence do.
If the government wanted to, they’d proscribe them and use some of that money to help the British people through the hardship as the people inside Iran work to rid the world of this terrorist regime, but they are refusing to do so because optics of appearing to be against Trump are more important to this government than actual lives.
mentaljobbymonster on
Need to do more like that Irish fella the other day on the American aircraft
Andromidius on
Honestly this should be a wake up call to move away from using fossil fuels, get more renewables up and running and massively improve public transit. A lot of people only have cars because they need them to get to work – with the improvements to home deliveries the need for a car for shopping is rapidly decreasing too.
Exceptions apply, of course. Living in more rural areas is going to require personal transport more then living in the inner cities.
It’ll be hard to get there, but it needs to be done eventually – better sooner rather then later.
Ill_Professional6747 on
What the government can do is change foreign policy to stop propping up the war mongers responsible for this shit show: the USA and especially their rabid lapdog in the middle East, Israel, who have been trying to escalate this war and sabotage any possibility of a truce.
Aggressive sanctions now, with additional diplomatic measures, and cutting off any support for this travesty of a war, including allowing the USA “defensive” operations from UK soil.Â
We should have stopped supporting Israel years ago, but I guess now we are feeling the bite is the next best time.Â
Opposite_Ad_8876 on
We should just continue dismantling the fossil fuels market, and further develop renewables/nuclear. I’m actually pleasantly surprised Keir Starmer didn’t pull a Tony Blair on us and decided to just ride this one out, as opposed to sending young men to die in the middle east whilst simultaneously ruining relations with them.
The brutal truth is that global warming or not, we’ve depleted the best oil and gas near us, the logistics supply chain runs through very volatile regions. Might as well go for solar/wind with battery and hydrogen storage, continue chucking our pennies into fusion research, and see how it goes.
Ill_Tonight_2069 on
Capital gains tax, corporation tax. To name a couple off the top of my brain. Maybe reduce funding for vanity projects and failed projects consultant fees.
Minimum_Possibility6 on
Those saying reduce fuel duty are bonkers.Â
Last time Sunak did that with the 5p cut most raised prices just before and then reduced it marginally after so they created better profit margins but people had no benefit in lower prices
The issue is supply side so if they cut the duty the demand will result in high prices to throttle demand, so again the only benefit is a tax payer subsidy to the oil companies. Exactly the opposite that needs to happen.
Yes there needs to be targeted support but things like encouraging WFH, providing relief to haulers and public transit and some means tested support will do far more than a fuel duty cut which doesn’t solve the problem and even if it did (which it won’t) only help a section of the population and doesn’t address any of the other impacts of the high oil pricesÂ
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Petrol stations would have been on the receiving end of Molotov Cocktails, but no-one can afford to buy the fuel /s
Protests aren’t going to stop Israel and America in their war. The UK can do very little about this problem.
The government can’t open the strait of Hormuz. Until it opens there is literally lass petrol and diesel to go around, subsidising demand just exacerbates shortages elsewhere. People have the right to protest anyway, but if they attempt to bring the country to a standstill they government should bring the army in pretty quickly before they cripple the road networks.
Are the farmers planning to protest outside the Whitehouse and The Knesset in Israel?
Just as a heads up too – Ireland already going full-French on this, with tractors and truckers doing full on blockades of motorways and major roads, which is barely getting any coverage over here despite them being our neighbours.
I’m not sure what people really expect to achieve with this though. It’s not like government policy here or in Ireland is affecting fuel prices. It’s the orange idiot and his war.
Good thing companies insisted everyone return to office needlessly.Â
Need more defence spending so might as well get used to the idea of higher taxes.
So many geniuses here suggesting reducing fuel duty, so that we can all afford petrol again, so that we can all buy some, conveniently ignoring the fact that THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PETROL IN THE COUNTRY
Your choices are:
1. Subsidise petrol until it runs out, then, I guess, idk, let’s not think too hard about that?
2. Subsidise petrol but introduce rationing (no one seems to be suggesting this, wonder why, oh yeah cause idiots just want things without thinking about how they get them like fucking toddlers)
3. Let economics do its thing to mitigate demand (ie pricing people out)
None of those are a good solution – all of them result in people not having enough fuel. BUT THOSE ARE LITERALLY THE ONLY 3 (short term) OPTIONS
What is protesting going to do exactly???
What is that going to achieve?
We shouldn’t despair, but this war has put us all in the shit and there is nothing that can be done about it except trying to stem and limit the damage.
But as with covid, some people just won’t accept bad news
How about forcing the petrol stations a max price per litre. Hasn’t the price of a barrel of oil come down since then. How can it still be rising
As silly as the folk in Ireland protesting.
Trump is literally dragging us all down yet he still has supporters here and there.
Nothing anyone outside the White House can do anything about this. Even if the UK government cut fuel duty it would mean cuts in other places as less tax revenue.
Unless you’re staging your protest in the White House and the Knesset, it’s going to do fuck all.
Yes the government can help more with sorting our fuel duty , but that also means massively reducing income to the government at a time we need massive boosts to both the NHS and defence spending
The UK government is carefully monitoring the situation……..
I remember when this happened in the Tony Blair government and the protests were cut off after a week because they were unpopular especially when ambulances and NHS staff needed to get to there jobs.
I do understand it’s hitting people hard, but it’s a tricky situation for the government to be in when economic factors are outside their control, a fuel duty cut might happen but fuel prices are still rising and rising.
I also think that people should look into the EV route, they don’t need fuel that fluctuates on a daily basis and with the right deal on your supplier you could pay very little (so much as <£5 a charge).
Telegraph desperately hoping if it writes enough clickbait articles to blame Starmer instead of their man, Trump, it will incite protests.
Same folks who’d be doing these blockades will be the same ones who have spent years demanding the book is thrown at Just Stop Oil folks who block roads. Hope they get treated similarly for just stopping oil!
I’m going to put my perspective in as an Iranian who lives in Britain.
Firstly, the islamic republic is an illegitimate occupying terrorist junta in Iran. It is not Iran.
What we’re seeing here is the consequences of the world largely allowing a terrorist organisation to control a country and its assets; and I worded it that way deliberately.
Mojtaba Khamenei has billions in property invested in the UK – particularly in London. His dad has (had? Now he’s dead) a base in Maida Vale.
They have invested billions into various islamic centres across the uk which act as radicalisation and spy centres.
Now here’s where I think Keir’s government has fucked up.
When the massacre took place in Iran in January where the islamic republic killed 30,000 civilians in the streets, we diaspora wrote to the MPs and pressured them into proscribing the IRGC as a terrorist organisation. This would allow the government to expel the diplomats and more importantly seize their capital and assets as they are all fronts for terroristic activity, and these assets and capital could be utilised in the circulating UK economy for the time being.
David Lammy when he was in opposition said that labour would do this if they took office.
Now Keir has said that the law prohibits them from doing so as the IR is a state. This is a lie as nowhere in the Terrorist Act 2000 does it differentiate between statehood or otherwise. This means effectively that this is the government’s policy interpretation and not a statutory limit of the law. Furthermore the law was the same when David Lammy outlined plans to proscribe them in opposition.
So Keir’s government has refused to follow in the footsteps of much of the larger world in proscribing the IRGC, and that’s left their assets untouched and we’re seeing exactly what a terrorist organisation in charge of economic influence do.
If the government wanted to, they’d proscribe them and use some of that money to help the British people through the hardship as the people inside Iran work to rid the world of this terrorist regime, but they are refusing to do so because optics of appearing to be against Trump are more important to this government than actual lives.
Need to do more like that Irish fella the other day on the American aircraft
Honestly this should be a wake up call to move away from using fossil fuels, get more renewables up and running and massively improve public transit. A lot of people only have cars because they need them to get to work – with the improvements to home deliveries the need for a car for shopping is rapidly decreasing too.
Exceptions apply, of course. Living in more rural areas is going to require personal transport more then living in the inner cities.
It’ll be hard to get there, but it needs to be done eventually – better sooner rather then later.
What the government can do is change foreign policy to stop propping up the war mongers responsible for this shit show: the USA and especially their rabid lapdog in the middle East, Israel, who have been trying to escalate this war and sabotage any possibility of a truce.
Aggressive sanctions now, with additional diplomatic measures, and cutting off any support for this travesty of a war, including allowing the USA “defensive” operations from UK soil.Â
We should have stopped supporting Israel years ago, but I guess now we are feeling the bite is the next best time.Â
We should just continue dismantling the fossil fuels market, and further develop renewables/nuclear. I’m actually pleasantly surprised Keir Starmer didn’t pull a Tony Blair on us and decided to just ride this one out, as opposed to sending young men to die in the middle east whilst simultaneously ruining relations with them.
The brutal truth is that global warming or not, we’ve depleted the best oil and gas near us, the logistics supply chain runs through very volatile regions. Might as well go for solar/wind with battery and hydrogen storage, continue chucking our pennies into fusion research, and see how it goes.
Capital gains tax, corporation tax. To name a couple off the top of my brain. Maybe reduce funding for vanity projects and failed projects consultant fees.
Those saying reduce fuel duty are bonkers.Â
Last time Sunak did that with the 5p cut most raised prices just before and then reduced it marginally after so they created better profit margins but people had no benefit in lower prices
The issue is supply side so if they cut the duty the demand will result in high prices to throttle demand, so again the only benefit is a tax payer subsidy to the oil companies. Exactly the opposite that needs to happen.
Yes there needs to be targeted support but things like encouraging WFH, providing relief to haulers and public transit and some means tested support will do far more than a fuel duty cut which doesn’t solve the problem and even if it did (which it won’t) only help a section of the population and doesn’t address any of the other impacts of the high oil pricesÂ
Please direct all concerns about the costs of fuel to the persons listed on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Friends_of_Israel?useskin=vector
An appropriate place to protest would be:
> 3rd Floor 86 – 90 Paul Street, London, England, EC2A 4NE