after a few years it turns out ideology does not help much when trade, prices and security get real. Brexit was sold as control, and now people just want less friction and more normality
barneyaa on
Can’t belive we are still hearing about the brexit plan.
DaveBeBad on
Isn’t this working towards the version of Brexit sold by the leaders of the leave campaign before the referendum. I’m sure they wouldn’t object, would they?
LittleSchwein1234 on
I would love to see a joint Westminster-Brussels Brexit reversal plan.
MountainEquipment401 on
Does this mean we get freedom of movement back… Or am I still cursed to only be able to holiday for three months?
Here’s one of my big problems if I were…To attack Nigel purely on policy and forget my personal distaste for the guy. A big bone of his argument is that the UK would see much better growth outside of the EU, and that we should seek alignment with the US – this is as recent as 11 days ago, so it’s not like he hasn’t had time to see how badly the US has been approaching the UK and EU in terms of foreign policy and economy and reverse course.
I’m tired of this discussion, and I think a lot of rational people are in the country as well. His other bone to chew on is stopping the boats, little acknowledging that the EU appears to have changed their stance on economic migration since 2016 as well, is much more aligned (albeit softer) with Denmark’s approach.
Economically and strategically, it makes more sense for the EU to extend some kind of reintegration with the EU. The idea of the US having airbases in the UK if trump should dedicate to a further 3 years of more closely aligning with Moscow is utterly untenable. In terms of economy and jobs, it makes more sense for the UK to stop trying to untether how integrated it *actually still was and is*.
Personally I think this is laying the groundwork for offering a referendum on joining the EU at the next GE. It’s going to require massive concessions to happen, but…I don’t think, on the whole, that the majority sentiment is entirely against it.
Adorable-Database187 on
Is a referendum to undo Brexit in the stars?
TokyoBaguette on
BRINO is the future.
Better than nothing – let nature run its course to renew the voting pool.
Toxic_Lantern on
Feels like people are just exhausted by the whole thing, so “softer Brexit” probably sounds like peace and quiet. I’d love to at least see mutual recognition of qualifications back on the table.
TheMysteriousOrganis on
Jesus, just rejoin already. Nobody can make a positive case for it, no matter how unhinged they are.
Altruistic-Medium-23 on
And the last third is the one that, comes the next general election, will vote en masse for that one guy who will destroy it all… so what’s the point. I gave up on any foolish hope of ever seeing the UK make a decision that is not driven purely by spite.
imtired-boss on
Brexit already happened the deals are done, the deadlines long over.
Whatever happens after that is just “Brexconsequences” and “Brexbacksliding”.
hoopjoness on
Would love the UK back in, just scares me how Farage is a mini Trump and so easily betrays our British cousins
Supersnow845 on
Why when this was initially being sold was “Switzerland/norway” not an option
Like you have countries that have that desired distance/integration with the EU right there but instantly 51% means crash out harder than the drunk girl at a party
G_UK on
Even though I’m super supportive of this and working closer with our European friends, I don’t think it’s likely the UK will rejoin the EU for a couple of reasons….
A) it’s not clear the EU would want us. We might end up with Reform as a government taking us out again or causing more headaches that our EU friends just don’t want/ need. The EU needs stable partners, not countries who keep changing their mind on a whim.
B) rejoining the EU would mean adopting the Euro and many other unpalatable issues that we previously opted out of. Then we were in a position of power, today we are in a position of weakness
I think we will see the UK move closer and closer to Europe, but we won’t officially join back up.
whatstefansees on
The problem I see coming: once the crisis is over and we have either gotten used to incredibly high prices or – less likely – common sense broke out in the Middle East, the Britons will immediately distance themselves again.
The UK is not a reliable partner and their recent schmoozing with us will come to an abrupt end when the circumstances change. Stay out and live with your stupid decision or get in with all consequences and cost. The dildo of consequence doesn’t come lubed!
Not third way. Especially not for the UK.
owlexe23 on
Brexit was a sham made up by MAGA, Boris Johson, Farage, Facebook and Steve Bannon. The reason was to have a weaker and divided Europe, so UK would be more reliant on US Corporations.
DantheMediocre on
so there`s a chance, as long as the UK doesnt have a sudden rush of shit to the brain and elects Farage.
supersonic-bionic on
There is NO Brexit plan. You either start aligning with the single market or just stay where you are (a brexit mess with red tapes and delusional sovereignty)
yaderkuvboloto on
Guys, can you just rejoin already and stop voting for russian paid actors? Everyone benefits. Thanks.
Wirde on
Paywall…
Shiyayo on
At this rate UK will rejoin before wraping up the brexit plan
fruce_ki on
Are you guys still exiting? I thought you already exited, like YEARS ago…
Nothing wrong with negotiating a better future relationship with the EU, but can you please stop living in the past and start looking to the future instead? Let that despicable term rot in an unmarked grave in a dark corner where it belongs, and maybe find a new name that reflects where you aspire your relationship with the EU to go?
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after a few years it turns out ideology does not help much when trade, prices and security get real. Brexit was sold as control, and now people just want less friction and more normality
Can’t belive we are still hearing about the brexit plan.
Isn’t this working towards the version of Brexit sold by the leaders of the leave campaign before the referendum. I’m sure they wouldn’t object, would they?
I would love to see a joint Westminster-Brussels Brexit reversal plan.
Does this mean we get freedom of movement back… Or am I still cursed to only be able to holiday for three months?
“Reform leader [Nigel Farage](https://inews.co.uk/topic/nigel-farage?ico=in-line_link) said Starmer’s plan to dynamically align with EU regulation makes no sense economically or politically.”
Here’s one of my big problems if I were…To attack Nigel purely on policy and forget my personal distaste for the guy. A big bone of his argument is that the UK would see much better growth outside of the EU, and that we should seek alignment with the US – this is as recent as 11 days ago, so it’s not like he hasn’t had time to see how badly the US has been approaching the UK and EU in terms of foreign policy and economy and reverse course.
I’m tired of this discussion, and I think a lot of rational people are in the country as well. His other bone to chew on is stopping the boats, little acknowledging that the EU appears to have changed their stance on economic migration since 2016 as well, is much more aligned (albeit softer) with Denmark’s approach.
Economically and strategically, it makes more sense for the EU to extend some kind of reintegration with the EU. The idea of the US having airbases in the UK if trump should dedicate to a further 3 years of more closely aligning with Moscow is utterly untenable. In terms of economy and jobs, it makes more sense for the UK to stop trying to untether how integrated it *actually still was and is*.
Personally I think this is laying the groundwork for offering a referendum on joining the EU at the next GE. It’s going to require massive concessions to happen, but…I don’t think, on the whole, that the majority sentiment is entirely against it.
Is a referendum to undo Brexit in the stars?
BRINO is the future.
Better than nothing – let nature run its course to renew the voting pool.
Feels like people are just exhausted by the whole thing, so “softer Brexit” probably sounds like peace and quiet. I’d love to at least see mutual recognition of qualifications back on the table.
Jesus, just rejoin already. Nobody can make a positive case for it, no matter how unhinged they are.
And the last third is the one that, comes the next general election, will vote en masse for that one guy who will destroy it all… so what’s the point. I gave up on any foolish hope of ever seeing the UK make a decision that is not driven purely by spite.
Brexit already happened the deals are done, the deadlines long over.
Whatever happens after that is just “Brexconsequences” and “Brexbacksliding”.
Would love the UK back in, just scares me how Farage is a mini Trump and so easily betrays our British cousins
Why when this was initially being sold was “Switzerland/norway” not an option
Like you have countries that have that desired distance/integration with the EU right there but instantly 51% means crash out harder than the drunk girl at a party
Even though I’m super supportive of this and working closer with our European friends, I don’t think it’s likely the UK will rejoin the EU for a couple of reasons….
A) it’s not clear the EU would want us. We might end up with Reform as a government taking us out again or causing more headaches that our EU friends just don’t want/ need. The EU needs stable partners, not countries who keep changing their mind on a whim.
B) rejoining the EU would mean adopting the Euro and many other unpalatable issues that we previously opted out of. Then we were in a position of power, today we are in a position of weakness
I think we will see the UK move closer and closer to Europe, but we won’t officially join back up.
The problem I see coming: once the crisis is over and we have either gotten used to incredibly high prices or – less likely – common sense broke out in the Middle East, the Britons will immediately distance themselves again.
The UK is not a reliable partner and their recent schmoozing with us will come to an abrupt end when the circumstances change. Stay out and live with your stupid decision or get in with all consequences and cost. The dildo of consequence doesn’t come lubed!
Not third way. Especially not for the UK.
Brexit was a sham made up by MAGA, Boris Johson, Farage, Facebook and Steve Bannon. The reason was to have a weaker and divided Europe, so UK would be more reliant on US Corporations.
so there`s a chance, as long as the UK doesnt have a sudden rush of shit to the brain and elects Farage.
There is NO Brexit plan. You either start aligning with the single market or just stay where you are (a brexit mess with red tapes and delusional sovereignty)
Guys, can you just rejoin already and stop voting for russian paid actors? Everyone benefits. Thanks.
Paywall…
At this rate UK will rejoin before wraping up the brexit plan
Are you guys still exiting? I thought you already exited, like YEARS ago…
Nothing wrong with negotiating a better future relationship with the EU, but can you please stop living in the past and start looking to the future instead? Let that despicable term rot in an unmarked grave in a dark corner where it belongs, and maybe find a new name that reflects where you aspire your relationship with the EU to go?