Negotiations will be tough and we have tragically lost our absolutely golden deal we had with the EU. And yet…. reaching an imperfect deal is still better than not being in the bloc.
How insane of a position we have been put in. We had the best deal in the EU and we squandered it for psychological reasons. Just to wave a flag about and feel more sovereign.
speechmartyr on
Look guys, I voted to remain myself. I saw it coming from a mile away that all it would achieve is make traveling more difficult, transacting business overseas more difficult and make everything more expensive. But, it was a slim win admittedly but that is what the country voted for.
With Brexit did come some opportunities that we have either lost or not been able to capitalise on because the government have been trying to snidely pull us back in. It had the potential to redevelop our sovereignty over our own affairs more (the criminal justice system, immigration etc), and to be able to not have to adhere to many of the stupid red tape regulations that the EU have (such as how straight a banana can be to be allowed to be sold). We have squandered the opportunity to be able to pull some kernels of good out of a poor decision.
If we do re-enter the EU we won’t just get the exact same deal as last time, it will make conducting business more difficult again having to re-adhere to stupid red tape, we won’t get favourable terms and especially if the current government conducts the negotiations we will end up giving half the country away and we’ll have to pay for the privilege 😂😂 😂 take the chagos islands negotiations, or the migrant deal with France as your examples of how brilliant our administration are at negotiating.
So to reiterate, I wanted to stay in the EU. I was a remainer but don’t be fooled it won’t just go back to like it was before if we go back in. It would be far more damaging to go grovelling back to Brussels. It’s very important that we have good relations and trade agreements with the rest of Europe but we don’t have to be members to reap the rewards.
On the note of Brussels, have you seen the place recently? The capital of the EU. It really is a perfect manifestation of the state of Europe. I was absolutely appalled I could not believe my eyes
Coenberht on
Were the rejoiners told the terms of rejoining? I guess not, since there is no rejoin deal on the table. This is the same issue we had in the Brexit referendum – people voted but didn’t know what they were voting for, since there was no Brexit deal at the time. Indeed, we now know that Brexit meant different things to different people. We should not make the same mistake again. Advocates for rejoining should get a clear idea of what rejoining looks like, and then poll a sample of the population before deciding whether to have a another referendum.
Klumber on
Labour is only going to retain power if they stand on rejoining. The fun is all in: What does that mean?
Expect the debate to become louder and louder until the US mid-terms, then it will ebb away for a while and we’ll all talk about how stupid it is prices are going up and how it is the fault of Starmer. And bingo, recipe for rejoining under worse terms than when we left has been unlocked.
I am European, I support the EU and I want the UK to rejoin. And I will laugh all the way through the debate and go ‘I told you so’ because it is the only way to react. But I much would have preferred not being in this position.
Gentle_Snail on
>While 61% of all voters supported the government’s current approach to EU relations, only 19% did so “strongly”, the research showed. A full return to the EU was supported by 53% of all voters
I said this over in the europe sub, but this seems way lower than I expected.
wkavinsky on
Yeah but it’s not 75% unlike the leave vote, so it’ll never be good enough for reformers and brexiteers, who, lest we forget, were shaping up to say that a close vote needed a rerun, right up until they won the vote, 52-48.
Bubbly_Reaction8891 on
What is the best deal that all these comments speak of?
TheChaoticCrusader on
I doubt this includes all the changes Europe would do to the original deal . It’s a lot less popular once you start chucking all those in + whatever any Europe state would want as they could easily just veto till they get what Rhys want
jodrellbank_pants on
We will not rejoin the EU we may get a trade deal and be similar to other Europeans but that’s it France will veto it and it’s all they need to keep us from joining
Able_Resident_1291 on
The hardest part of rejoining will be getting cross-party agreement to respect the results of a rejoin referendum. I’m confident that the likes of Farage and Badenoch would refuse to do so on the grounds that it was a “betrayal of Brexit”
Dzeire on
Hahahaa everyone cut off their nose to spite their face , hope all the voters are proud.
Karl_Withersea on
When I see a party with a rejoin policy ahead in the polls I will believe it. All I see around me contradicts these surveys
Used_Warning_8992 on
Those who voted remain, if there was a poll years later saying the public now supported leaving, would you be in favour of another referendum?
squeezycheeseypeas on
In fairness, they only think that because it’s a good idea
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Negotiations will be tough and we have tragically lost our absolutely golden deal we had with the EU. And yet…. reaching an imperfect deal is still better than not being in the bloc.
How insane of a position we have been put in. We had the best deal in the EU and we squandered it for psychological reasons. Just to wave a flag about and feel more sovereign.
Look guys, I voted to remain myself. I saw it coming from a mile away that all it would achieve is make traveling more difficult, transacting business overseas more difficult and make everything more expensive. But, it was a slim win admittedly but that is what the country voted for.
With Brexit did come some opportunities that we have either lost or not been able to capitalise on because the government have been trying to snidely pull us back in. It had the potential to redevelop our sovereignty over our own affairs more (the criminal justice system, immigration etc), and to be able to not have to adhere to many of the stupid red tape regulations that the EU have (such as how straight a banana can be to be allowed to be sold). We have squandered the opportunity to be able to pull some kernels of good out of a poor decision.
If we do re-enter the EU we won’t just get the exact same deal as last time, it will make conducting business more difficult again having to re-adhere to stupid red tape, we won’t get favourable terms and especially if the current government conducts the negotiations we will end up giving half the country away and we’ll have to pay for the privilege 😂😂 😂 take the chagos islands negotiations, or the migrant deal with France as your examples of how brilliant our administration are at negotiating.
So to reiterate, I wanted to stay in the EU. I was a remainer but don’t be fooled it won’t just go back to like it was before if we go back in. It would be far more damaging to go grovelling back to Brussels. It’s very important that we have good relations and trade agreements with the rest of Europe but we don’t have to be members to reap the rewards.
On the note of Brussels, have you seen the place recently? The capital of the EU. It really is a perfect manifestation of the state of Europe. I was absolutely appalled I could not believe my eyes
Were the rejoiners told the terms of rejoining? I guess not, since there is no rejoin deal on the table. This is the same issue we had in the Brexit referendum – people voted but didn’t know what they were voting for, since there was no Brexit deal at the time. Indeed, we now know that Brexit meant different things to different people. We should not make the same mistake again. Advocates for rejoining should get a clear idea of what rejoining looks like, and then poll a sample of the population before deciding whether to have a another referendum.
Labour is only going to retain power if they stand on rejoining. The fun is all in: What does that mean?
Expect the debate to become louder and louder until the US mid-terms, then it will ebb away for a while and we’ll all talk about how stupid it is prices are going up and how it is the fault of Starmer. And bingo, recipe for rejoining under worse terms than when we left has been unlocked.
I am European, I support the EU and I want the UK to rejoin. And I will laugh all the way through the debate and go ‘I told you so’ because it is the only way to react. But I much would have preferred not being in this position.
>While 61% of all voters supported the government’s current approach to EU relations, only 19% did so “strongly”, the research showed. A full return to the EU was supported by 53% of all voters
I said this over in the europe sub, but this seems way lower than I expected.
Yeah but it’s not 75% unlike the leave vote, so it’ll never be good enough for reformers and brexiteers, who, lest we forget, were shaping up to say that a close vote needed a rerun, right up until they won the vote, 52-48.
What is the best deal that all these comments speak of?
I doubt this includes all the changes Europe would do to the original deal . It’s a lot less popular once you start chucking all those in + whatever any Europe state would want as they could easily just veto till they get what Rhys want
We will not rejoin the EU we may get a trade deal and be similar to other Europeans but that’s it France will veto it and it’s all they need to keep us from joining
The hardest part of rejoining will be getting cross-party agreement to respect the results of a rejoin referendum. I’m confident that the likes of Farage and Badenoch would refuse to do so on the grounds that it was a “betrayal of Brexit”
Hahahaa everyone cut off their nose to spite their face , hope all the voters are proud.
When I see a party with a rejoin policy ahead in the polls I will believe it. All I see around me contradicts these surveys
Those who voted remain, if there was a poll years later saying the public now supported leaving, would you be in favour of another referendum?
In fairness, they only think that because it’s a good idea