ID’ing for this sounds like it will be a hassle. In some years they will be having to check IDs of 40 year olds!
Death_Binge on
Genuinely flabbergasted as to why anyone would want to take up smoking these days anyway.
QueefInMyKisser on
Mental, things should either be legal for all adults or illegal for all adults.
Pocket_Aces1 on
Cool. Now do vapes. Which 13 year olds are using. Contains edit: nicotine ~~tobacco~~, THC, and a whole string of unknown chemicals which will probably cause severe health issues.
And while we’re at it, ban gambling and alcohol advertisements.
DudFuse on
One of the weirdest things about 2049 will be getting stopped by a 40 year old outside a newsagent and asked to go in and get them 20 Marlborough Gold. We probably still wont have flying cars.
HellPigeon1912 on
I hate smoking and would never support anyone doing it, but banning it in this fashion is just another way the UK is treating young people like they don’t even get to belong in society
JustUrAvg-Depresso on
Ah but they won’t crack down on the 9yos vaping. Alright.
SecTeff on
Ah great so there will be an illegal market of supplying tobacco to adults in the future
hime-633 on
*”Lord Naseby, a Conservative former MP, said the Tobacco and Vapes Bill “does upset a great many people in that industry”, including retailers.*
*He added: “What we really need is a proper understanding of how we educate people not to take up smoking.”*
There’s always at least one shill in the Lords, isn’t there?
SecTeff on
“It is, in fact, the biggest public health intervention in a generation and I can assure all noble Lords it will save lives”
There is still a 100% chance everyone will do.
It will mean more people live to get dementia and other diseases instead.
No_Suit_9511 on
Can we also have a complete ban on gambling advertising and sponsorship?
That industry is just poisonous.
AutobotJessa on
Funny how most people against this are the pearl clutchers shouting “think of the children”
godsavedonalduck on
We’re becoming more and more like north Korea and China every day under 2 tier Keir and his shit party.
We don’t know/don’t want to look to improve the economy and not waste everyone’s increased tax bills, let’s just do the important stuff like banning porn, banning cigarettes, banning cheap milshakes FFS and freedom of choice as adults, keeping weed illegal despite growing and importing as a country to supply others, banning flavour from school dinners, banning freedom of speech and expression essentially (and no, not all speech that people have been arrested for has insighted violence)
Prohibition simply doesn’t work in the UK. It creates more crime, therefore stretches out already underfunded resources which results in people literally getting away with a suspended sentence and community orders.
Why don’t you just give people the freedom of choice and stop trying to be a far left dictatorship.
Fuck labour and this constant bullshit. I’m not right nor left I can’t wait for labour to do one and stop trying to make us a dictatorship.
MrSmokii on
step too far if you ask me
civil liberties and all that
Resist_Accurate on
A waste of time for the police and politicians, and and encroaching on my ability to make bad decisions.
Given there’s so many overweight people in Britain, when are we going to prescribe food plans and exercise regimes?
Schnauser on
Overall, I welcome it if it prevents unnecessary deaths.
But wow, good luck policing that.
For example:
“Vaping will be banned in cars carrying children, in playgrounds and outside schools and at hospitals, expanding smoke-free laws.”
vs
“Vaping would still be allowed outside hospitals in a bid to support those trying to quit.”
khurgan_ on
Is this even an issue nowadays? I rarely see young people with cigarettes. Most of them just vape.
jack5624 on
I’m going to make so much money when I’m 60 selling cigs to 45 year olds
ken-doh on
Imagine being 30 years old and still not being allowed to buy cigarettes. Lol, morons.
UnapproachableBadger on
This was already tried in New Zealand and it failed.
Local-Pattern795 on
Interesting, can we also have a driving ban for people born before 1960 or is that “different” ?
Edit : i just realised this exact framework could be used to phase out pensions: if you’re born after 2025 , you won’t receive a state pension. You still have to pay national insurance , of course .
Jedibeeftrix on
>”People will also be able to continue smoking and vaping in their homes.”
How generous of the gov’t! We’re a long way now from “an Englishman’s home is his castle”…
MechanicFit2686 on
Can’t wait to watch a 40 year old waiting outside the newsagent for his 42 year old mate to buy him a pack of 10.
I wonder what the Greens make of this. If they win we could get to a scenario where you can legally buy crack but not tobacco.
Say10sadvocate on
As a parent, and a smoker, I agree with this. I’d like it to just not be an option for my kids, while my already entrenched addiction be left alone.
But, this is going to leave an enormous hole in tax revenues.
Deez-Nutz-95 on
I wonder how much of a rise there will be in counterfeit cigarette usage over the next few years
Demoliscio on
Good, I lost both my grandads to lung cancer, the sooner this shit gets phased out the better
Few-Coat1297 on
Just an observation but in Ireland where smoking bans were hardcore from the start, now often the most crowded sections are the smoking ones. Bans work but there is a point at which they add no extra benefit and may even be counterproductive.
FireManiac58 on
They started doing this in New Zealand and then the next government reversed it.
Rare-JamesBond-007 on
POV: This is at least, action. There is nothing good about smoking. Doing nothing has not changed anything. Wait and see? Give it a chance.
Maldives has done it. New Zealand did it and repealed. Even if it enforces a reduction of smoking; that’s a good sign.
Gougetheeyes on
This is madness, we’re turning into an authoritarian nanny state.
nbperfect on
About a generation too late; they’re targeting a group that is more likely to vape than smoke nowadays.
If you care about long-term health then surely that should be included, at least until more health reports come out to make a better informed choice?
Alert_Dust_2423 on
It’s a great start, but this absolutely needs to extend to vapes to be truly effective. The mental image of a 40-year-old asking for a pack of fags in 2049 is going to be so bizarre.
Dry_Yogurtcloset1962 on
People already get the ferry across to Europe to load up with as many fags as they can legally import. This will simply skyrocket unless they ban bringing any amount in
Parking-Tip1685 on
Terrible idea and a stupid law.
All it will do is make smoking look cooler and cost the country billions, longer term probably trillions.
TheWorldIsGoingMad on
I hate smoking, but it is no business of the government banning anything that doesn’t negatively affect other people (and second hand smoke is no longer as significant issue these days).
Whatever happened to personal freedom allied with personal responsibility ?
LEAVE US ALONE TO LIVE OUR LIVES AS WE WANT
callumjm95 on
I thought we got shot of the puritans on the Mayflower
purpleplums901 on
Smoking rates are so low now this feels like needless government meddling. Should be more worried about all the people sticking fuck knows what up their noses every weekend, which they can’t even determine that it’s actually what they were advertised. Nobody ever headbutted someone in a nightclub because they had 1 too many Richmond superkings
NonagoonInfinity on
How many people is this even going to affect? I’ve seen maybe 20 people smoking cigarettes in the past 3 months and only one of them looked like they were under 40 (although they’re smokers so maybe they were actually under 40…)
Bean-Penis on
So it is ok for people to have to present ID for some things. Can never tell on this site.
Broad_Yogurtcloset70 on
Sorry to be stupid, but does this mean smoking will become illegal and cigarettes will cease to exist in the UK after a certain amount of time?
healeyd on
I disagree with such two-tier laws on principle. A better way is to phase down the maximum amount of nicotine allowed before a ban.
s0ulcontr0l on
I don’t understand this at all. Surely once they’re of age and if they want to smoke, they could?
SlightProgrammer on
This just seems silly, we’ve already got a massive black market due to how highly cigarettes and tobacco are taxed, this will only exacerbate things.
Nezwin on
Most countries have a pathway to legalizing Marijuana, while the uk is banning smoking for anyone born after a certain moment in time.
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ID’ing for this sounds like it will be a hassle. In some years they will be having to check IDs of 40 year olds!
Genuinely flabbergasted as to why anyone would want to take up smoking these days anyway.
Mental, things should either be legal for all adults or illegal for all adults.
Cool. Now do vapes. Which 13 year olds are using. Contains edit: nicotine ~~tobacco~~, THC, and a whole string of unknown chemicals which will probably cause severe health issues.
And while we’re at it, ban gambling and alcohol advertisements.
One of the weirdest things about 2049 will be getting stopped by a 40 year old outside a newsagent and asked to go in and get them 20 Marlborough Gold. We probably still wont have flying cars.
I hate smoking and would never support anyone doing it, but banning it in this fashion is just another way the UK is treating young people like they don’t even get to belong in society
Ah but they won’t crack down on the 9yos vaping. Alright.
Ah great so there will be an illegal market of supplying tobacco to adults in the future
*”Lord Naseby, a Conservative former MP, said the Tobacco and Vapes Bill “does upset a great many people in that industry”, including retailers.*
*He added: “What we really need is a proper understanding of how we educate people not to take up smoking.”*
There’s always at least one shill in the Lords, isn’t there?
“It is, in fact, the biggest public health intervention in a generation and I can assure all noble Lords it will save lives”
There is still a 100% chance everyone will do.
It will mean more people live to get dementia and other diseases instead.
Can we also have a complete ban on gambling advertising and sponsorship?
That industry is just poisonous.
Funny how most people against this are the pearl clutchers shouting “think of the children”
We’re becoming more and more like north Korea and China every day under 2 tier Keir and his shit party.
We don’t know/don’t want to look to improve the economy and not waste everyone’s increased tax bills, let’s just do the important stuff like banning porn, banning cigarettes, banning cheap milshakes FFS and freedom of choice as adults, keeping weed illegal despite growing and importing as a country to supply others, banning flavour from school dinners, banning freedom of speech and expression essentially (and no, not all speech that people have been arrested for has insighted violence)
Prohibition simply doesn’t work in the UK. It creates more crime, therefore stretches out already underfunded resources which results in people literally getting away with a suspended sentence and community orders.
Why don’t you just give people the freedom of choice and stop trying to be a far left dictatorship.
Fuck labour and this constant bullshit. I’m not right nor left I can’t wait for labour to do one and stop trying to make us a dictatorship.
step too far if you ask me
civil liberties and all that
A waste of time for the police and politicians, and and encroaching on my ability to make bad decisions.
Given there’s so many overweight people in Britain, when are we going to prescribe food plans and exercise regimes?
Overall, I welcome it if it prevents unnecessary deaths.
But wow, good luck policing that.
For example:
“Vaping will be banned in cars carrying children, in playgrounds and outside schools and at hospitals, expanding smoke-free laws.”
vs
“Vaping would still be allowed outside hospitals in a bid to support those trying to quit.”
Is this even an issue nowadays? I rarely see young people with cigarettes. Most of them just vape.
I’m going to make so much money when I’m 60 selling cigs to 45 year olds
Imagine being 30 years old and still not being allowed to buy cigarettes. Lol, morons.
This was already tried in New Zealand and it failed.
Interesting, can we also have a driving ban for people born before 1960 or is that “different” ?
Edit : i just realised this exact framework could be used to phase out pensions: if you’re born after 2025 , you won’t receive a state pension. You still have to pay national insurance , of course .
>”People will also be able to continue smoking and vaping in their homes.”
How generous of the gov’t! We’re a long way now from “an Englishman’s home is his castle”…
Can’t wait to watch a 40 year old waiting outside the newsagent for his 42 year old mate to buy him a pack of 10.
I wonder what the Greens make of this. If they win we could get to a scenario where you can legally buy crack but not tobacco.
As a parent, and a smoker, I agree with this. I’d like it to just not be an option for my kids, while my already entrenched addiction be left alone.
But, this is going to leave an enormous hole in tax revenues.
I wonder how much of a rise there will be in counterfeit cigarette usage over the next few years
Good, I lost both my grandads to lung cancer, the sooner this shit gets phased out the better
Just an observation but in Ireland where smoking bans were hardcore from the start, now often the most crowded sections are the smoking ones. Bans work but there is a point at which they add no extra benefit and may even be counterproductive.
They started doing this in New Zealand and then the next government reversed it.
POV: This is at least, action. There is nothing good about smoking. Doing nothing has not changed anything. Wait and see? Give it a chance.
Maldives has done it. New Zealand did it and repealed. Even if it enforces a reduction of smoking; that’s a good sign.
This is madness, we’re turning into an authoritarian nanny state.
About a generation too late; they’re targeting a group that is more likely to vape than smoke nowadays.
If you care about long-term health then surely that should be included, at least until more health reports come out to make a better informed choice?
It’s a great start, but this absolutely needs to extend to vapes to be truly effective. The mental image of a 40-year-old asking for a pack of fags in 2049 is going to be so bizarre.
People already get the ferry across to Europe to load up with as many fags as they can legally import. This will simply skyrocket unless they ban bringing any amount in
Terrible idea and a stupid law.
All it will do is make smoking look cooler and cost the country billions, longer term probably trillions.
I hate smoking, but it is no business of the government banning anything that doesn’t negatively affect other people (and second hand smoke is no longer as significant issue these days).
Whatever happened to personal freedom allied with personal responsibility ?
LEAVE US ALONE TO LIVE OUR LIVES AS WE WANT
I thought we got shot of the puritans on the Mayflower
Smoking rates are so low now this feels like needless government meddling. Should be more worried about all the people sticking fuck knows what up their noses every weekend, which they can’t even determine that it’s actually what they were advertised. Nobody ever headbutted someone in a nightclub because they had 1 too many Richmond superkings
How many people is this even going to affect? I’ve seen maybe 20 people smoking cigarettes in the past 3 months and only one of them looked like they were under 40 (although they’re smokers so maybe they were actually under 40…)
So it is ok for people to have to present ID for some things. Can never tell on this site.
Sorry to be stupid, but does this mean smoking will become illegal and cigarettes will cease to exist in the UK after a certain amount of time?
I disagree with such two-tier laws on principle. A better way is to phase down the maximum amount of nicotine allowed before a ban.
I don’t understand this at all. Surely once they’re of age and if they want to smoke, they could?
This just seems silly, we’ve already got a massive black market due to how highly cigarettes and tobacco are taxed, this will only exacerbate things.
Most countries have a pathway to legalizing Marijuana, while the uk is banning smoking for anyone born after a certain moment in time.
Very progressive.