Reform candidate says something stupid to appeal to their knuckle dragging, backwards supporters? What a surprise……
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KernowKermit on
I think as many families as possible should have an economically viable choice for one parent or the other to take a break from the workplace to look after children in the early years. I also think childcare should be an equally economically viable choice if both want to return to work to one degree or another.
The state needs to do a lot more to make both of those options available to more of us.
trmetroidmaniac on
I can’t find a direct quote anywhere in the article.
birdinthebush74 on
Farage candidate for Maida Vale wants abortion, same sex marriage, IVF and hormonal contraception banned due to her Evangelical religious beliefs
Are you going to raise the minimum wage so that a one person earning family can afford to do that?
No.
So, you’re just a misogynistic little arse.
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hime-633 on
Had he said: “women [or men] should be able to stay at home and look after the kids because a reasonable single income should, in a non-dysfunctonal society, be enough to allow a family to live, not extravagantly, but modestly and (hopefully) happily” then I would agree with him. Caveat that if you have LOADS of kids then that single income needs to rise in proportion. And no parentification allowed, obviously.
I personally think that babies and infants benefit from having their mother/primary caregiver around during the early years. But I don’t judge people for whom that’s no possible.
The problems here are wage stagnation, house prices/rent, energy and food prices, inflation, cost of everything; it’s not “mums should just stay at home”.
Equally if parents are happy to have a nursery care for their kids and focus on work, why shouldn’t they? All that is required is a great nursery where the child is well cared for.
ProfPMJ-123 on
In an ideal world, *one of the parents* would do this.
But it’s not an ideal world. We’ve pursued policies that have created massive shortages of housing, so the cost of living is too high for most households to be able to survive on a single salary.
And one of the big reasons for the massive housing costs are the sort of NIMBY twats who vote Reform, while yearning for a past world that never existed.
leclercwitch on
I’d love to. But we can’t afford to have children and where are we going to put them in our one bed flat? Is my partners wage going to double to allow us to do this? No. It’s not.
AndyTheSane on
.. so child benefit is going to be massively hiked .. or rents/house prices dramatically lowered .. or wages hugely increased .. or ..?
Cynical_Classicist on
These people want to roll back the progress of a lifetime. Look at what is happening in the US, they are doing the same thing.
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Tentativ0 on
Will they increase salaries so that a single salary of a man can sustain a family?
luala on
lol grandma has no idea how much it costs to support a family
CatsGotANosebleed on
Ok so… Are you going to double the salary and pay increases of every man who is married with children then?
Some women would probably love to take 5-10 years to raise their kids with full attention and time if that was somehow economically feasible, and return to guaranteed work once the kids are semi-independent. But that’s completely impossible unless the other partner is making a very high salary, and opens up massive risk to the mother if the providing partner decides to leave.Â
Of course these bellends don’t finish a single thought before spewing it out of their mouth holes.Â
CranberryPuffCake on
Ok Reform, make it so this is possible then? Many parents would love to do this but it is simply IMPOSSIBLE in todays world. Both parents have to work to afford rent/mortgages etc.
It’s all well and good having these opinions but what are they going to do to make it possible for families to do this? It’s just a right-wing talking point for votes. We know they won’t do anything to help the average family.
Solid-Version on
The paradox of the far right.
On one hand:
Women should stay home and look after children whilst their husbands work.
On the other hand:
Support policies and create economic conditions that make it virtually impossible for the vast majority of the population to do that.
dewittless on
These people seem to think the thing that took women out of the home and into the workplace was radical feminism, but it wasn’t really.
It was rents.
groovylittlesparrow on
Women have always engaged in paid and unpaid labor, contrary to the myth that they only recently entered the workforce.
Historically, women worked in agriculture, traded goods, ran businesses, and performed domestic services.
*The notion that a woman’s place is exclusively in the home is largely a modern or upper-class illusion*
Working – class women have always needed to work for survival.
Wiggles_21 on
I can’t believe I’m saying this about a reform candidate but I actually agree with him (if we take him at face value – there doesn’t seem to be an actual direct quote in the article). Most mothers WOULD prefer to be able to work less hours while their children are young, without penalty to their career or income. The focus is always on providing more childcare, which is a good option, but the rising costs of living are forcing both parents to work more and more. Some of the money that is funnelled into childcare could be used to support parents raising their own children.
Obviously I’m generalising, but the fact that a lot of mothers would actually prefer to work fewer hours and spend more time with their babies/toddlers/young children is massively overlooked, and stay at home mums have been referred to as “a drain on the economy” in the past. It’s always about the economy and never about what women and children actually need and want.
It used to be that women had no choice but to stay home with children. Nowadays it’s often the case they have no choice but to go to work. We need true choice.
pajamakitten on
Then hopefully the women of Pontypridd Cynon Merthyr will unite, and go out and vote for other parties to stop Reform getting councillors i the area. Let idiots like this stay stupid things, it should unite sensible people to go out and vote to ensure people like this get nowhere near politics.
Reverend_Vader on
Ive never had any problem with someone saying this
Just as I’ve never had a problem with a woman saying “men need to work and pay for me”
As long as people are up front about their views, a conscious choice can be made
For example the two groups above are perfect for each other
The only issue I have here is those that hold these views secretly and silently
Just as I’ve got a few decades of history of women choosing the option above after you get into a relationship with them
My sisters and female friends have a few decades of guys throwing their socks on the floor and asking what’s for dinner, after they get into a relationship with them
I dont think either of these viewpoints should be demonised, but they damn well should be advertised, so the rest of us can wish them good luck and keep away from them
Rastaman1804 on
The ones who want to but feel like they have to go to work should have that option, but if you don’t want to then you shouldn’t have to
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AdJealous2 on
I think I’ve done it wrong. I am a dad and am staying home to look after the kids whilst my wife works.
BourbonSn4ke on
In an ideal world I agree
But women shot themselves in the foot by wanting to work which ended up suppressing wages due to the sharp increase of available workers and companies could be even less worker friendly and the government could tax 2 people instead of 1
Now it is 2 to run a household and we are fucked
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KangarooNo on
Reform UK candidates should stay at home and shut the F up
the_motherflippin on
Bless, he thinks silly thoughts. So we’d need a lot more men to subsidise the women’s jobs? How could we get more men?
Competitive-Picnic on
And who’s going to pay for that then? I want to have a kid and be around for it until pre-school age. That would be lovely. How do I do it?Â
Clbull on
Only the wealthy have the luxury of being stay-at-home parents. So unless Reform plan to get millions of new homes built, lower living costs and/or increase wages, their call for more tradwives will be little more than a right-wing pipe dream.
The problem is that we have the worst of both worlds: high taxes, failing privatized water/sewage industries, severe housing shortages, overcrowded prisons, shoplifting gangs all across the country robbing stores with impunity, a failing private/public partnership running the railways which have led to exorbitant fares and a crippling inability to build any kind of critical infrastructure due to NIMBYs, planning regulations, bureaucratic red tape and project mismanagement. The only real benefactors who have been shielded by the last few governments have been pensioners.
I think it’s one of those issues that can only be resolved if you go full Socialist or Libertarian.
Notmycupoftea6492 on
I would have preferred having more financial support to be able to stay home and spend time with my toddler, instead of having to return to work full-time at 6 months post-partum due to finances and being the primary breadwinner. I agree that purely focusing on subsidised childcare shouldn’t be the answer. In saying that, the default shouldn’t just be on mums staying home. Dads are parents as well, so we need policies that support either parent having the choice to stay at home as the primary caregiver.
Saint_Sin on
We cant.
Couples are both forced to work to keep a property so that property owners can get maximum revenue.
Its the same reason we need immigrants because birthrate are falling drastically for the same reason.
We just choose to pull in the most from nations that dont think females should have any rights. But they at least lean more extreme right so the chance of our rights being voted away increase.
Fleecing a nation 101.
hundreddollar on
Mum can we have MAGA?
Son we already have MAGA at home!
The MAGA at home: REFORM.
Literally just parotting what worked in the USA for the republicans.
TTNNBB2023 on
Pretty compared to [Reform candidate for Bexhill who stated women, who he called the ‘sponging gender’, should be ‘deprived of healthcare’ until they die as early as men do. ](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjmmrwexv4ko)
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Reform candidate says something stupid to appeal to their knuckle dragging, backwards supporters? What a surprise……
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I think as many families as possible should have an economically viable choice for one parent or the other to take a break from the workplace to look after children in the early years. I also think childcare should be an equally economically viable choice if both want to return to work to one degree or another.
The state needs to do a lot more to make both of those options available to more of us.
I can’t find a direct quote anywhere in the article.
Farage candidate for Maida Vale wants abortion, same sex marriage, IVF and hormonal contraception banned due to her Evangelical religious beliefs
[Leading anti-abortion figure standing for Reform UK in May elections](https://archive.ph/Eo0Mq#selection-1243.0-1243.68)
Wonder what attracted her to Reform?
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Are you going to raise the minimum wage so that a one person earning family can afford to do that?
No.
So, you’re just a misogynistic little arse.
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Had he said: “women [or men] should be able to stay at home and look after the kids because a reasonable single income should, in a non-dysfunctonal society, be enough to allow a family to live, not extravagantly, but modestly and (hopefully) happily” then I would agree with him. Caveat that if you have LOADS of kids then that single income needs to rise in proportion. And no parentification allowed, obviously.
I personally think that babies and infants benefit from having their mother/primary caregiver around during the early years. But I don’t judge people for whom that’s no possible.
The problems here are wage stagnation, house prices/rent, energy and food prices, inflation, cost of everything; it’s not “mums should just stay at home”.
Equally if parents are happy to have a nursery care for their kids and focus on work, why shouldn’t they? All that is required is a great nursery where the child is well cared for.
In an ideal world, *one of the parents* would do this.
But it’s not an ideal world. We’ve pursued policies that have created massive shortages of housing, so the cost of living is too high for most households to be able to survive on a single salary.
And one of the big reasons for the massive housing costs are the sort of NIMBY twats who vote Reform, while yearning for a past world that never existed.
I’d love to. But we can’t afford to have children and where are we going to put them in our one bed flat? Is my partners wage going to double to allow us to do this? No. It’s not.
.. so child benefit is going to be massively hiked .. or rents/house prices dramatically lowered .. or wages hugely increased .. or ..?
These people want to roll back the progress of a lifetime. Look at what is happening in the US, they are doing the same thing.
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Will they increase salaries so that a single salary of a man can sustain a family?
lol grandma has no idea how much it costs to support a family
Ok so… Are you going to double the salary and pay increases of every man who is married with children then?
Some women would probably love to take 5-10 years to raise their kids with full attention and time if that was somehow economically feasible, and return to guaranteed work once the kids are semi-independent. But that’s completely impossible unless the other partner is making a very high salary, and opens up massive risk to the mother if the providing partner decides to leave.Â
Of course these bellends don’t finish a single thought before spewing it out of their mouth holes.Â
Ok Reform, make it so this is possible then? Many parents would love to do this but it is simply IMPOSSIBLE in todays world. Both parents have to work to afford rent/mortgages etc.
It’s all well and good having these opinions but what are they going to do to make it possible for families to do this? It’s just a right-wing talking point for votes. We know they won’t do anything to help the average family.
The paradox of the far right.
On one hand:
Women should stay home and look after children whilst their husbands work.
On the other hand:
Support policies and create economic conditions that make it virtually impossible for the vast majority of the population to do that.
These people seem to think the thing that took women out of the home and into the workplace was radical feminism, but it wasn’t really.
It was rents.
Women have always engaged in paid and unpaid labor, contrary to the myth that they only recently entered the workforce.
Historically, women worked in agriculture, traded goods, ran businesses, and performed domestic services.
*The notion that a woman’s place is exclusively in the home is largely a modern or upper-class illusion*
Working – class women have always needed to work for survival.
I can’t believe I’m saying this about a reform candidate but I actually agree with him (if we take him at face value – there doesn’t seem to be an actual direct quote in the article). Most mothers WOULD prefer to be able to work less hours while their children are young, without penalty to their career or income. The focus is always on providing more childcare, which is a good option, but the rising costs of living are forcing both parents to work more and more. Some of the money that is funnelled into childcare could be used to support parents raising their own children.
Obviously I’m generalising, but the fact that a lot of mothers would actually prefer to work fewer hours and spend more time with their babies/toddlers/young children is massively overlooked, and stay at home mums have been referred to as “a drain on the economy” in the past. It’s always about the economy and never about what women and children actually need and want.
It used to be that women had no choice but to stay home with children. Nowadays it’s often the case they have no choice but to go to work. We need true choice.
Then hopefully the women of Pontypridd Cynon Merthyr will unite, and go out and vote for other parties to stop Reform getting councillors i the area. Let idiots like this stay stupid things, it should unite sensible people to go out and vote to ensure people like this get nowhere near politics.
Ive never had any problem with someone saying this
Just as I’ve never had a problem with a woman saying “men need to work and pay for me”
As long as people are up front about their views, a conscious choice can be made
For example the two groups above are perfect for each other
The only issue I have here is those that hold these views secretly and silently
Just as I’ve got a few decades of history of women choosing the option above after you get into a relationship with them
My sisters and female friends have a few decades of guys throwing their socks on the floor and asking what’s for dinner, after they get into a relationship with them
I dont think either of these viewpoints should be demonised, but they damn well should be advertised, so the rest of us can wish them good luck and keep away from them
The ones who want to but feel like they have to go to work should have that option, but if you don’t want to then you shouldn’t have to
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I think I’ve done it wrong. I am a dad and am staying home to look after the kids whilst my wife works.
In an ideal world I agree
But women shot themselves in the foot by wanting to work which ended up suppressing wages due to the sharp increase of available workers and companies could be even less worker friendly and the government could tax 2 people instead of 1
Now it is 2 to run a household and we are fucked
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Reform UK candidates should stay at home and shut the F up
Bless, he thinks silly thoughts. So we’d need a lot more men to subsidise the women’s jobs? How could we get more men?
And who’s going to pay for that then? I want to have a kid and be around for it until pre-school age. That would be lovely. How do I do it?Â
Only the wealthy have the luxury of being stay-at-home parents. So unless Reform plan to get millions of new homes built, lower living costs and/or increase wages, their call for more tradwives will be little more than a right-wing pipe dream.
The problem is that we have the worst of both worlds: high taxes, failing privatized water/sewage industries, severe housing shortages, overcrowded prisons, shoplifting gangs all across the country robbing stores with impunity, a failing private/public partnership running the railways which have led to exorbitant fares and a crippling inability to build any kind of critical infrastructure due to NIMBYs, planning regulations, bureaucratic red tape and project mismanagement. The only real benefactors who have been shielded by the last few governments have been pensioners.
I think it’s one of those issues that can only be resolved if you go full Socialist or Libertarian.
I would have preferred having more financial support to be able to stay home and spend time with my toddler, instead of having to return to work full-time at 6 months post-partum due to finances and being the primary breadwinner. I agree that purely focusing on subsidised childcare shouldn’t be the answer. In saying that, the default shouldn’t just be on mums staying home. Dads are parents as well, so we need policies that support either parent having the choice to stay at home as the primary caregiver.
We cant.
Couples are both forced to work to keep a property so that property owners can get maximum revenue.
Its the same reason we need immigrants because birthrate are falling drastically for the same reason.
We just choose to pull in the most from nations that dont think females should have any rights. But they at least lean more extreme right so the chance of our rights being voted away increase.
Fleecing a nation 101.
Mum can we have MAGA?
Son we already have MAGA at home!
The MAGA at home: REFORM.
Literally just parotting what worked in the USA for the republicans.
Pretty compared to [Reform candidate for Bexhill who stated women, who he called the ‘sponging gender’, should be ‘deprived of healthcare’ until they die as early as men do. ](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjmmrwexv4ko)