Abbassare l’età per votare a 16 anni aiuterà solo il Partito dei Verdi, dicono a Starmer i parlamentari laburisti, esortandolo ad accantonare i piani
https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15765619/Lowering-voting-age-help-Green-Party-Labour-MPs-tell-Starmer.html
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“Let’s block people from their right to vote because they won’t vote for us”
giving kids the right to vote? fucking insane.
not even out of education yet, only just done the gcses
“right out to vote”
????
HOnestly it should be the other way, increase voting age.
I think it would be better to have an upper age limit rather than lowering the lower age limit. Not sure what the number should be, maybe 80.
And threading back will cost you as you’ll be seen as coat turners again
We could just go fully mask off and limit voting rights to those who recieve the state pension
Well when you get to decide what kids learn about influencing their voting habbits would be easy.
If there was ever a perfect demonstration of the naivety of youth, it’s the apparent support for the Greens amongst that lower age bracket. Naivety and a general lack of critical thinking.
Lowering the voting age is insane anyway but hopefully this kills the idea off within Labour for good
Edit: incredible how it is only socialists, children and the other group we can’t mention replying (quite angrily, in fact) in defence of lowering the voting age. If I cared, which I don’t, I’d say it’s wonderful you are all proving my point for me.
I’m in two minds about it.
Firstly – as a former 16 year old, 16 year olds are dumb as hell and I wouldn’t necessarily want them having a significant say in how society is run based on their inexperience. The legal age of adulthood is deemed 18.
On the other hand, 16 year olds pay tax and national insurance so why shouldn’t they have a say in how their tax money is spent and the direction of society in which they contribute?
I don’t know. My mind isn’t made up yet.
The line of when you can vote will always be somewhat arbitrary. However, given every time I read an article about 16 year olds committing crime, every head case is saying “ 16 year olds know right from wrong, hang them. “
It does appear we have decided they’re old enough to make big boy decisions.
Personally I don’t care much either way, the evidence is most of them wouldn’t vote even given the right to.
Equally the people most incoherent in their voting strategy live in care homes and get the vote long into their late stage dementia phases anyway.
The politics of the age group has no bearing on the conversation.
so it wasn’t about democracy, it was always an attempt to distort voting outcomes. Just now it isn’t working for them
I feel Labour are trying to play a game that would have worked a few years ago and may have factored in what Corbyn did with the younger voters – that crowds gone.
I think the fact its being asked to be pushed back to the election is interesting, that’ll be a few years to see how the online freedoms younger people have these days are minimized and the effect – other parties will for sure be interested too.
I tin hat feel that this is a sign of outside interference in politics, you give the vote to younger people and they will likely vote for you, but after taking certain freedoms away, they might vote in anger.
So – 16 years old voters gone, Muslim voters gone, London voters gone, working class voters gone, upper middle class (60K+ salary) never voted for Labour anyways, rich certainly don’t – who else is voting for Labour?!
I would absolutely not trust my 16 year old self to vote on facts. Id vote for whoever said they owned a playstation as that person vibes with me.
On the other hand, watching 16 year olds live with the consequences of their actions for the first time this generation … Well that’s something I could get behind
Hey that’s not fair I’m 16 and I would never vote green but vote reform like a true patriot! /s
I’m really torn on this, its not as straight forward as some make it out to be
And I say that as someone who went into FT employment at 16 (now 40’s) no gaps, not even during covid
I mean we didn’t have social media then, but you know what we did have? Spitting Image and Yes Minister 😁
Are these unnamed MPs the same MPs that will be screaming about U-Turns later on?
I work with 40+ year olds who think the earths flat and Reform are good, I’ve yet to meet a 16 year old nearly that stupid. Give them the vote.
18-80, maybe even 75 should be the voting range imo. That extra 2 years between 16-18 is a lot of life and lived experience to get an idea of what you really want from a political party, at least it was for me and a lot of my friends I would say.
At 16 I was a raving independence supporter for the SNP, and having grown up, got a mortgage, car loans, a decent job etc I realised how silly I was wanting that, knowing it would crush everything I’d worked after doing my own research. But that’s just me, everyone has opinions.
It should be argued against because at 16/17 they are still not legally considered Adults
Considering the elections bill contains a provision to lower the voting age, and this was a manifesto commitment, it should be followed through on.
Not a good look for those Labour MPs complaining. They’re whining about their own manifesto promise??
Bring the votes at 16 on already.
Will say though, the DM is grasping at straws here. A couple of backbenchers complaining doesn’t suddenly mean that all 400 Labour MPs and the leadership will suddenly U-turn on a manifesto pledge.
It’s fine for the voting age to go down as long as everything else moves too. If you’re responsible enough to vote you’re responsible enough to be held criminally liable as an adult for example, to get married or to drink alcohol.
“expanding democracy is bad if it benefits other parties”
Any MP heard saying any variation of this should immediatly be fired, preferably into the sun
Funnily enough, Capping the age to vote will hurt the conservatives too. It’s like age helps define your political stance.
The uk is bat shit insane if they want dumb children to vote.
Have they considered reducing the voting age because it’s the right thing to do, then becoming a more attractive proposition to young people?
and THIS ladies and gentlemen is why starmer is flailing so much.
if he does whats right he faces revolt from his own party
if he does what his party says he gets blasted for another U-turn
Im rarely a fan of drastic measures but a purge of the party member rolls is in order.
So another manifesto pledge broken. And politicians wonder why people are losing trust in them.
I think 16 may be a tad young to vote, tho sadly I think what I say below will probably apply to most of the electorate, myself included till I was like 30.
At best thier vote will be at random, a copy of thier parents, or in opposition of thier parents.
At worst it will come from some facist echo chamber.
Old enough to start a family, work and pay tax, old enough to vote
I’d say that most if not all 16 year olds get their politics from social media echochambers and algorithms. They’re just parroting other peoples political beliefs that they see online and aren’t really thinking for themselves.