You say crack down on these who criticize the politicians/gov.?
Agar_ZoS on
I am surprised by this because it will break all the pro goverment bots on Twitter.
ByGollie on
Read beyond the headline – it’s not forcing your identity revealed to everyone online. Rather, it’s trying to promote accoutability
There’s drawbacks to both sides of the argument, however. I’m not convinced this is the best way of going about it, as there’s vast potential for government abuse
“The major problem behind **anonymity is toxicity** – anyone, especially on social media, can smear an individual and carry out character assassination without facing any consequences,” he suggested.
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>“We must find a way to require platforms to **verify the identity of accounts**,” he said, adding: “There are many technical ways to achieve this.”
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>Pavlos Marinakis, the deputy prime minister, clarified that the intention is **not to abolish pseudonyms but to ensure that every profile corresponds to a real person.**
InformationNew66 on
So Greece where the government has been spreading lies and misinformation about the state of finances and economy for many years (until 2009 economic crisis) wants to censor people?
Truffely on
And so begins a dystopian nightmare.
Last century we would protest things like that. But everyone loves big brother now.
Great-Refuse1105 on
Good but how this will work against the foreigner bots?
noname086fff on
SLAPP’s on their way
4baobao on
based greece
Altruistic-Farmer275 on
Oho wait until you hear what happened in Turkey.
They are both trying to tackle VPN’s and enforce ID verification on social media.
To give you context if I say “Fuck Erdoğan” they might sue me for either spreading “Disinformation” or “encouraging public for hatred”
Oh hold on there’s someone on the door.
This is outrageeeeeee…………..
Novakine on
No real justification, just imaginary scenarios that if we were to have the literal Big Brother, we’d be safe (we’re not, Palantir and many other mass-surveillance stuff) are already being used at gigantic scales even in EU countries, to no real success. (Catching 3 dudes and preventing 2 terrorist attacks per decade don’t count, because that happened before mass surveillance anyway).
I want to ask them: who owns the data given to identify yourself? Is it yet another non-EU app? Perhaps linked to the US? Or China? Or Israel? How unhackable is that data? Because getting doxxed would be super easy. You get pinpointed by someone wanting to do you harm and from our experiences with how government-related IT networks are… they’re usually stupidly easy to hack because we do see them hacked frequently.
melancholy_dood on
*”I have a bad feeling about this…”*
ExiledCaptain on
The current government and political party of nd is the sole reason freedom of press in greece droped so low. Also the main reason for all the scandals and corruption. The main actor of all things that touch a bit of that fascism they like. The worst of the worst, the reason Kovesi pointed greece as an example of absolute corruption.
Those same people that use taxpayer money to pay their online propaganda team “omada alithias”. Will those face consequences for their undemocratic rhetoric?
And now the real reason they want to ban anonymity : a comment like mine that criticises the corrupt government gives them the tools to “mark” me as a greek citizen as someone who is “unruly” and a “problem”. Suddenly i might get stopped by police ( which btw acts like bodyguards for the politicians here) and get searched randomly, or my business gets audited constantly, or the next time i might want to get a loan the banks (which contribute immensely in the corruption and many other serious issues we face here) will claim im not eligible for that, or similarly for some other program or subsidy.
They want to bring soft fascism and speech control before they go full authoritarian. And once we have that here in a “democratic” country anyone can be next….
almarcTheSun on
I don’t know how many of these people in the comment are real. But if many, it’s so funny to me.
You know what? I guess democracy just isn’t for stupid, naive people after all. Go ahead, sit this one out. You’ll be fine.
Aggeloz on
The current government in greece has a propaganda group just like mosad does, i doubt they will be upholding anything like that
Turahk on
xdddddd
RedWillia on
Fascism 101 – this makes the account non-anonymous but the account isn’t the user: I could login with my mother’s credentials and then start posting or a bot operator could login with any other credentials and start posting. Those who obey the law would be scared to say something more controversial while those who didn’t obey in the first place will continue not obeying.
Golda_M on
>The key question for the Greek government is how such a plan could be implemented – both legally and politically.
This is deluded. The key questions are comptence/ability, regulatory power… Greece can *ban* Twitter, reddit and whatnot…. maybe. They can’t regulate it.
Vekaras on
There is no anonimity to begin with.
Pseudonimity though should be ensured.
CaptainOberynCrunch on
So are we about to see a bunch of users called Apostholos and Kyriakos on Reddit?
Griffindance on
Anonymity is a corner stone of the internet… Losing that potential is a problem.
Fire_Natsu on
What the fuck is wrong with the people in comments?? Why they want dictatorship??
eon_bloodycop on
How am I going to insult gays and trans people
inWineVerit4x on
Right move, hopefully someone disappear!
magical-cat-here on
Instead of train people to get immune to disinformation, smear campaigns and bots coordinated attacks, as usual state goes way around and offers people go to digital Gulag in best soviet traditions where every typewriter has been registered in KGB with example of its output for forenistics purposes.
alroprezzy on
Here is the problem with laws like this: define social media.
Samskeyti__ on
There it is. Oh, but the rest of EU surely won’t follow suit here, riiight? /s
If you think age verification *won’t* lead to them pushing for banning anonymity also you are a useful idiot.
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No way this is legal under EU law.
You say crack down on these who criticize the politicians/gov.?
I am surprised by this because it will break all the pro goverment bots on Twitter.
Read beyond the headline – it’s not forcing your identity revealed to everyone online. Rather, it’s trying to promote accoutability
There’s drawbacks to both sides of the argument, however. I’m not convinced this is the best way of going about it, as there’s vast potential for government abuse
“The major problem behind **anonymity is toxicity** – anyone, especially on social media, can smear an individual and carry out character assassination without facing any consequences,” he suggested.
>
>“We must find a way to require platforms to **verify the identity of accounts**,” he said, adding: “There are many technical ways to achieve this.”
>
>Pavlos Marinakis, the deputy prime minister, clarified that the intention is **not to abolish pseudonyms but to ensure that every profile corresponds to a real person.**
So Greece where the government has been spreading lies and misinformation about the state of finances and economy for many years (until 2009 economic crisis) wants to censor people?
And so begins a dystopian nightmare.
Last century we would protest things like that. But everyone loves big brother now.
Good but how this will work against the foreigner bots?
SLAPP’s on their way
based greece
Oho wait until you hear what happened in Turkey.
They are both trying to tackle VPN’s and enforce ID verification on social media.
To give you context if I say “Fuck Erdoğan” they might sue me for either spreading “Disinformation” or “encouraging public for hatred”
Oh hold on there’s someone on the door.
This is outrageeeeeee…………..
No real justification, just imaginary scenarios that if we were to have the literal Big Brother, we’d be safe (we’re not, Palantir and many other mass-surveillance stuff) are already being used at gigantic scales even in EU countries, to no real success. (Catching 3 dudes and preventing 2 terrorist attacks per decade don’t count, because that happened before mass surveillance anyway).
I want to ask them: who owns the data given to identify yourself? Is it yet another non-EU app? Perhaps linked to the US? Or China? Or Israel? How unhackable is that data? Because getting doxxed would be super easy. You get pinpointed by someone wanting to do you harm and from our experiences with how government-related IT networks are… they’re usually stupidly easy to hack because we do see them hacked frequently.
*”I have a bad feeling about this…”*
The current government and political party of nd is the sole reason freedom of press in greece droped so low. Also the main reason for all the scandals and corruption. The main actor of all things that touch a bit of that fascism they like. The worst of the worst, the reason Kovesi pointed greece as an example of absolute corruption.
Those same people that use taxpayer money to pay their online propaganda team “omada alithias”. Will those face consequences for their undemocratic rhetoric?
And now the real reason they want to ban anonymity : a comment like mine that criticises the corrupt government gives them the tools to “mark” me as a greek citizen as someone who is “unruly” and a “problem”. Suddenly i might get stopped by police ( which btw acts like bodyguards for the politicians here) and get searched randomly, or my business gets audited constantly, or the next time i might want to get a loan the banks (which contribute immensely in the corruption and many other serious issues we face here) will claim im not eligible for that, or similarly for some other program or subsidy.
They want to bring soft fascism and speech control before they go full authoritarian. And once we have that here in a “democratic” country anyone can be next….
I don’t know how many of these people in the comment are real. But if many, it’s so funny to me.
You know what? I guess democracy just isn’t for stupid, naive people after all. Go ahead, sit this one out. You’ll be fine.
The current government in greece has a propaganda group just like mosad does, i doubt they will be upholding anything like that
xdddddd
Fascism 101 – this makes the account non-anonymous but the account isn’t the user: I could login with my mother’s credentials and then start posting or a bot operator could login with any other credentials and start posting. Those who obey the law would be scared to say something more controversial while those who didn’t obey in the first place will continue not obeying.
>The key question for the Greek government is how such a plan could be implemented – both legally and politically.
This is deluded. The key questions are comptence/ability, regulatory power… Greece can *ban* Twitter, reddit and whatnot…. maybe. They can’t regulate it.
There is no anonimity to begin with.
Pseudonimity though should be ensured.
So are we about to see a bunch of users called Apostholos and Kyriakos on Reddit?
Anonymity is a corner stone of the internet… Losing that potential is a problem.
What the fuck is wrong with the people in comments?? Why they want dictatorship??
How am I going to insult gays and trans people
Right move, hopefully someone disappear!
Instead of train people to get immune to disinformation, smear campaigns and bots coordinated attacks, as usual state goes way around and offers people go to digital Gulag in best soviet traditions where every typewriter has been registered in KGB with example of its output for forenistics purposes.
Here is the problem with laws like this: define social media.
There it is. Oh, but the rest of EU surely won’t follow suit here, riiight? /s
If you think age verification *won’t* lead to them pushing for banning anonymity also you are a useful idiot.