Per me il sistema Kaucja è una specie di frode per ora ed ecco cosa mi dà fastidio:
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Non è un vero rimborso: è credito del negozio. Il tuo denaro è bloccato in un rivenditore specifico.
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Sei costretto a ripetere l’acquisto, anche se non avevi intenzione di acquistare nient’altro lì.
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Se perdi il buono, i soldi spariscono.
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Ciò avvantaggia in modo sproporzionato le grandi catene di vendita al dettaglio, limitando al tempo stesso la flessibilità dei consumatori.
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In pratica, sembra meno un’iniziativa ecologica e più un grande strumento di marketing.
Non sto dicendo che il sistema in sé sia pessimo: i sistemi di deposito in paesi come la Germania funzionano abbastanza bene. Ma offrire alle persone una scelta effettiva (contanti, rimborso sulla carta o voucher) lo farebbe sembrare più giusto e trasparente.
Fammi sapere cosa ne pensi e scusami per l’inganno se è stato discusso prima
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di JWMalynovskyi
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> 1. It’s not a real refund – it’s store credit. Your money is locked into a specific retailers.
Wrong. I got cash at Żabka for my bottles.
Carrefour gives me the money
It was already discussed multiple times.
Bottles, which have the logo of kaucja (all produced recently) can be refunded with cash, not just store credit.
It works well in so many countries and just needs a bit of the fine tuning in Poland to run smoothly. Why so negative? Why conspiracy theories about marketing tools?
Also, you forgot the last point on your tiny list. Buying plastic bottles is not mandatory, feel free to skip if you dont want to contribute to this “problem”.
In all vendors which give store credit you can exhange it for real money at the register.
I mean you can always exchange the voucher for normal money
But with this system each bottle makes 3x more CO2 emmision
And we pay more for the bottles
In Poland you will never have a well working system because they always make something that “kinda” works and call it a day
You know you can buy all bottles at Biedronka and return them at Aldi if you wish?
It’s not the stores that returns you money, it’s the state.
@1 It’s not(?) You can return your bottles anywhere there are collection machines
@2 False; see 1
@3 Why would you keep the voucher? You should hand in your bottles when you go shopping the next time rather than going to the store specifically to return your bottles; that’d be highly inefficient.
But if you really need to, you can always go to the cashier, scan just the coupon and they’ll give you the money.
@4 Indeed, it does, as mostly big retailers have the collection machines in sufficient quantities to not make the experience of returning the bottles extremely frustrating (queues and waiting for the full machines to be emptied).
Hopefully this will be mentioned more and soon resolved. Then again, there are barely any small retailers left in Poland; feels like they all turned into Żabkas tbh. But I don’t see a reason why you couldn’t put some of these collection machines outside like the public trash cans and make them spit out coins now that the vandalism in Poland is at a 30 year low
@5 Nah. It’s not ideal but it’s way better than living in a kingdom of plastic (especially in provincial areas) that’s only ever temporarily clean for a week a year; only after the school kids clean up the towns for Earth Day
I think by law you have the right to ask for real cash refund tho, in Warsaw I use either Zabkas or any supermarket and never had problem. Tell them you specifically want cash. Sometimes you can grab this paper receipt (from machine) to the cashier or customer services and he/she will give the cash amount.
But it is still nonsense. If we are seperating metals, plastics, glasses at home why do we need a very extra line for those with kaucja. It either implies that OG recycling does not work and is a lie that we wasted our time and taxpayer money or that this kaucja is a tactic/lobbying from markets to legally get more money from people. I mean I have seen tons of bottles or metal cans just ouside supermarkets with kaucja, it just became another tax for most people.
And not taking them if they are damaged or crushed, like wtf. When you crush does it become not recyclable? If we were able to crush and as long as the kaucja symbol OR barcode is seeable, it should be accepted. This lowers return of these more. I can put a crushed bottle in my bag no problem, but i can’t have more than 2 uncrushed ones.
I stomp and dump to plastic bin all bottles, because 1) I’m not going to add extra walk from home to butełkomat, going back from office through the shop is enough, 2) unstomped bottles pile up and take much space, and rent is expensive, more expensive per m2 than kaucja being recovered, 3) I have relatives died from cancer and I’m absolutely disgusted of the idea of eating or drinking from reused and possibly emitting free radicals plastic.
I love this system to the point I have a big ass recycling bag full of bottles in perfect condition.
The vouchers are generally convienient. The fact is that most people return bottles to the same place where they shop anyways, so they are going to use it. If you dont want the voucher, they have to return your money. Simple as that