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    1. blueseas333 on

      I feel like that’s the sentiment here in Australia as well, most Aussies don’t understand why Europe plays second fiddle to the US to begin with

    2. notveryamused_ on

      It’s brilliant diplomacy by Carney, I really like his speeches: strong and thoughtful at the same time, with a very clear line of thinking. In practice though we’re slow to respond to the challenges, from European reindustrialisation to IT sovereignty. There are no pan-European ideas on how to counter the rising far-right waves, it’s like we’re hoping for more Vance’s visits only xD With so many divisions and internal problems, I’m not one hundred percent sure Europe today is strong enough to pull it off in the short term; much more far-reaching plans are needed.

    3. Front-Anteater3776 on

      Carney is an impressive leader. With USA wanting to destroy EU and Europe it feels good that there leaders like Carney who has our back and probably more than any other leader has the ability to unite western liberal democracies. 

    4. goldstarflag on

      Armenia hosting a big summit for European leaders with Mark Carney 🇨🇦  invited sends the message loud and clear. Great location because Armenia has recently adopted a law to join the European Union, turning its back on Moscow. From Iceland to Armenia the unification of Europe continues and there’s nothing the enemies can do about it. Even if they try to delay it, it’s like standing athwart history and yelling stop. History doesn’t stop! 

    5. FlametopFred on

      which quietly means 🇨🇦 will be aligned with Europe in this

    6. DavidShaw90s on

      Watching the clip, you can actually see how fed up the rest of the world is with Washington’s unpredictability. Canada showing up to a strictly European political summit just to figure out a post-America backup plan is wild, but completely justified.

      When a US President treats global security like a mafia protection racket by yanking thousands of troops out of allied countries just because they refuse to blindly support his Middle East operations, the alliance is already broken.

      Macron has been warning about European military reliance on the US for years, but people usually brushed it off as French arrogance. Now that Washington is actively punishing Germany and Spain for not falling in line over Iran, building a self-sufficient European defense network isn’t just a political talking point anymore. It is basic survival!

    7. TokyoBaguette on

      Not convinced with the current crop of European “leaders”…

    8. Prestigious-Many9645 on

      The same Europe that turns a blind eye to genocide?

    9. EL___POLLO___DiABLO on

      Soothing words, but they’ll have to backed up by deeds that follow. I *do* think that the axis Canada – Europe – Australia will emerge as its own bloc and I do hope they will have the courage to shape the(ir) world according to what we used to call Western ideals.

      The strategic rival will probably be China and whatever will be left of the US at this rate, but at least with China I’m sort of optimistic that we can work together on the greater issues (climate change, etc) at least based on principles, and not on values – despite our rivalry.

    10. Tall-Ad-1386 on

      Yeah let’s just duck China and India who combined dwarf all other economies combined. Then you factor in Brazil, South Africa with manpower and resources.
      I don’t like to be locationist (is that a thing) but this post is all about it. Europe has no resources left. The world order will come out of Asia. There’s not even a chance of anything else.
      Imagine if China became expansionist?

    11. jamie9910 on

      It’s silly to be suggesting they craft a new world order when they can’t even impose order in their own backyard.

    12. Establishing an international order means establishing global power projection to put offenders in their place. Even if we put all our bets into international organizations, it means to dominate their funding to establish *our* goals, and it means defending them against competition.

      The world will expect you to foot the bill, both in financial spending and putting your boots on the ground where its needed. Just like the US, but also like China, which are the largest spender for institutions like AIIB. China though, can avoid the more questionable aspects of establishing a world order, as they are still offloaded to the US. For example, securing global trade by freedom of navigation missions, which requires operating naval bases all over the world.

      Do we even *want* to do all that? Shape international institutions, dominate their spendings, put naval bases in some autocracy to secure waterways for everyone at the other end of the world?

      I’m tired of all this hot air. We have very urgent issues, like our resource dependency on China and the Middle East, and the risk of a Russian attack on NATO in the next years. This requires actionable plans.

      I don’t doubt that Canada is aligned with EU on many issues and is a good friend to us, but I did not need Carney pull a verbal Macron to convince me of that.

      I can see an EU-Canada-Australia(-Japan,South Korea,???) Axis forming, but it will require willingness for intervention none of the potential members have shown, so far. Except France in their own background, maybe, and UK with their relatively large amount of bases abroad. As it stands, we couldn’t even singlehandedly protect the waterways required to meet all members of that axis! At the moment, thats all still a pipe dream upheld by fancy speeches mostly.

      Canada, like Australia, is actually a good addition to such a plan, because they add strategic width to an alliance the EU lacks alone. EU has a huge market, large population, and its members (well, some of them) are upgrading their armies massively. Canada and Australia can bring massive natural resources to the table – a strength China and the US have much more so than us. I wish he would have expanded more on these immediate synergies possible in a EU-Canada partnership, rather than holding just the next speech full of moralism which may be followed by action soon(tm).

      Most previous Canadian governments, while deeply tied to the US, where also absolutely in favor of EU/EEA, and shared core tenants of our ideology. This can be seen in many moves at UN, like Canada’s active role in shaping the climate protocols, together with the Scandinavians. That’s not new. What’s the actual novelty in the current EU-Canada relationship beyond words? We do not lack friends, beyond Russia and MAGA there is little hate of the EU around. What we lack are strategic partners that can alleviate our dependency on great powers.

    13. I wonder how he is going to talk when the far-right takes control in France and possibly Germany, and or a Democratic White House.

    14. FoxMeadow7 on

      Canada’s more European than what even UK could hope to be at the moment!

    15. Minute-Improvement57 on

      Normally “you and whose army” is a metaphor.

    16. Europe cannot really move ahead until it takes care of it’s current problems: Pedro/Ursula/Costa and it’s history in Merkel. I had enough of the ex-corrupt leaders given cushy leading jobs.

      Also historically Canada is a complete shitshow, i don’t want to meddle with that clusterfuck rn.

      We should try to pull towards Japan-Singapore-Korea

    17. goldstarflag on

      Europeans are way less divided than Americans. They just lack the federal machinery. And that could change soon. 

    18. potatolulz on

      We need to stop playing the russian funded extremist saboteur whack-a-mole though 😀

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